Nicholas Cage Pedigree

[Shield]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2186986963&category=70

 

 

See what happens when the impartial grading company puts notations of a collector (with no affiliation to the creation of anything relating to comics), not the original owner, on the label?

 

Don't know why, but that still irks me for some reason.

[Ares]

Cage never was a pedigree.

I think they put

" From the Nicholas Cage collection"

[fantastic_four]

Cage never was a pedigree.

I think they put

" From the Nicholas Cage collection"

 

I do believe that's exactly his point

[PovertyRow]

Cage never was a pedigree.

I think they put

" From the Nicholas Cage collection"

 

I do believe that's exactly his point

 

Yep - I am SURE that is the point. Not a pedigree at all. And I wish CGC would explain why a "from the collection of" is deemed of ANY importance at all? I mean, almost any book being submitted to CGC is going to be "from the collection of" SOMEONE. Yet another small nail in the coffin.

 

Why do I say that "small nail" thing? Becuase right now CGC boks are still in their infancy in relation to comic book collecting. And things like this will eventually come back to bite them.

[stagedoorjohnny]

 

I thought he should of won an Oscar for Adaptation. Sheesh.

[Bonds25]

Why do I say that "small nail" thing? Becuase right now CGC boks are still in their infancy in relation to comic book collecting. And things like this will eventually come back to bite them.

 

I haven't quite figured out yet why CGC putting "From the Collection of Nicholas Cage" is a bad thing, or how this will "come back to bite them"?? And comparing Nicholas Cage with Joe Blow isn't a fair comparison.

[lighthouse]

Why do I say that "small nail" thing? Becuase right now CGC boks are still in their infancy in relation to comic book collecting. And things like this will eventually come back to bite them.

 

I haven't quite figured out yet why CGC putting "From the Collection of Nicholas Cage" is a bad thing, or how this will "come back to bite them"?? And comparing Nicholas Cage with Joe Blow isn't a fair comparison.

 

Considering that it is just a notation, and one that does not carry forward if a book is re-slabbed, I don't see any problem with it at all. Steve has said that anyone who wants to submit 1,000 books can have their very own notation on the label. Doesn't mean it's a pedigree. Just means that they spent some money on getting books slabbed...

 

If it takes a notation to convince some people to slab their books, that's fine by me. Doesn't mean I will pay any more for it. But if it draws more collections to Sarasota (and therefore into the marketplace) that's a good thing...

[CORBLIMEYGUVNOR-migration]

I think it's a good thing,since i told my mrs that Nicholas Cage collected comics she's looked at me in a different light.

Our sex life has improved 10 fold!!

All i have to do is jump on the bed clutching a few slabbed comics and we're away!!!!!

[Shield]

I haven't quite figured out yet why CGC putting "From the Collection of Nicholas Cage" is a bad thing, or how this will "come back to bite them"?? And comparing Nicholas Cage with Joe Blow isn't a fair comparison.

 

Here's why. I view CGC as an impartial 3rd party grading service that is trying to be accurate as possible when grading books. They should make every effort to get the cover artist, publisher, and anything significant about the issue affixed to the label, and make sure it's accurate. By having a rich movie star buy up a run of books and submit them to CGC, only to be turned and promoted by a large auction house seems to raise a question of motivation. What was CGC's motivation to affix that to the label? Add pure hype? Were they motivated by the auction house? Remember, the more hype, the more premium the books sell for. I believe this is a direct conflict of interest. Had Heritage wanted to send out a certificate of authentication stating "From the collection of Nicholas Cage" then that's different. Having the name of a movie star that bought them 50 years after the fact and putting his name in the same field (that on occasion notates restoration information about a book) is ridiculous.

 

Now, had this come from William Gaines or Carl Barks, I could understand noting that info on the slab. THEY ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF COMICS. Had Nicholas "Coppola" Cage never been born, not one panel of one comic ever in any of those books would be different.

 

 

It's cliché, but they always say "Follow the Money". Did CGC receive extra compensation because they put that on the label of those books? I personally don't think so...but: the very idea that the impartial grading company may have been swayed raises a conflict of interest in my opinion. Could their grading have been swayed as well with those books? We'll never know. Not saying it was, but the fact that this raises a question or provokes thought presents a clear conflict of interest.

 

Again, here's what I view CGC's role as being:

 

1. Grade and encapsulate comics.

2. Note restoration, and clearly mark that info on the label.

3. Note any significant firsts or anything special about the contents of a comic on the label.

4. If it is from a recognized pedigree and they are sure of it, note it on the label.

 

And that is it. Any millionaires or celebrities that piece together a run of old books should not have their name affixed to the label and should remain mutually exclusive of the historical significance of the book, period.

 

[Kevin76]

I haven't quite figured out yet why CGC putting "From the Collection of Nicholas Cage" is a bad thing, or how this will "come back to bite them"?? And comparing Nicholas Cage with Joe Blow isn't a fair comparison.

 

Here's why. I view CGC as an impartial 3rd party grading service that is trying to be accurate as possible when grading books. They should make every effort to get the cover artist, publisher, and anything significant about the issue affixed to the label, and make sure it's accurate. By having a rich movie star buy up a run of books and submit them to CGC, only to be turned and promoted by a large auction house seems to raise a question of motivation. What was CGC's motivation to affix that to the label? Add pure hype? Were they motivated by the auction house? Remember, the more hype, the more premium the books sell for. I believe this is a direct conflict of interest. Had Heritage wanted to send out a certificate of authentication stating "From the collection of Nicholas Cage" then that's different. Having the name of a movie star that bought them 50 years after the fact and putting his name in the same field (that on occasion notates restoration information about a book) is ridiculous.

 

Now, had this come from William Gaines or Carl Barks, I could understand noting that info on the slab. THEY ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF COMICS. Had Nicholas "Coppola" Cage never been born, not one panel of one comic ever in any of those books would be different.

 

 

It's cliché, but they always say "Follow the Money". Did CGC receive extra compensation because they put that on the label of those books? I personally don't think so...but: the very idea that the impartial grading company may have been swayed raises a conflict of interest in my opinion. Could their grading have been swayed as well with those books? We'll never know. Not saying it was, but the fact that this raises a question or provokes thought presents a clear conflict of interest.

 

Again, here's what I view CGC's role as being:

 

1. Grade and encapsulate comics.

2. Note restoration, and clearly mark that info on the label.

3. Note any significant firsts or anything special about the contents of a comic on the label.

4. If it is from a recognized pedigree and they are sure of it, note it on the label.

 

And that is it. Any millionaires or celebrities that piece together a run of old books should not have their name affixed to the label; those 2 pieces of information should remain mutually exclusive, period.

 

Shield,

I think you need to stop your whining,"FROM the collection of Nic Cage...AOL Keyword "FROM" These books used to be Nic Cages...Just Like Edger Church,Gaines ect..But those are real pedigrees..CGC never said Nic cages books are pedigrees,But Since Nic Cgae was selling his book,they most likey thought "gee, we should put "FROM the collection of Nic Cage so people would know a little history of the books and where they came from.I don't think it was to try and make more off of them cause he's a celeb. Some people buy rock and roll clothing...Gee, 200K for a shirt? Well, Mick Jagger wore that shirt!..still a shirt though. Just like their still comics,but Nic Cage owned those books. I'm sure it was just a notes to say "hey, Nic Cage owned these books...simple as that,your making a big deal out of nothing,so relax and everything will be cool. Kevin

[Shield]

 

Shield,

I think you need to stop your whining,"FROM the collection of Nic Cage...AOL Keyword "FROM" These books used to be Nic Cages...Just Like Edger Church,Gaines ect..But those are real pedigrees..CGC never said Nic cages books are pedigrees,But Since Nic Cgae was selling his book,they most likey thought "gee, we should put "FROM the collection of Nic Cage so people would know a little history of the books and where they came from.I don't think it was to try and make more off of them cause he's a celeb. Some people buy rock and roll clothing...Gee, 200K for a shirt? Well, Mick Jagger wore that shirt!..still a shirt though. Just like their still comics,but Nic Cage owned those books. I'm sure it was just a notes to say "hey, Nic Cage owned these books...simple as that,your making a big deal out of nothing,so relax and everything will be cool. Kevin

 

 

Kevin,

 

Remind me how this is whining? I simply posted a reference to an auction in which someone is exploiting the idea by saying "Nicholas Cage Pedigree". Now, you and I know exactly what they are and what they 'ain't', but to the average new collector looking for a copy of that book? They may spend crazy money thinking it is a 'real' pedigree, which is why I feel CGC should never have put that on the label.

It is a big deal Kevin; counter me with why it isn't, but don't get start off with "stop whining"...that generally makes anything that follows less likely to be read.

[Kevin76]

 

Shield,

I think you need to stop your whining,"FROM the collection of Nic Cage...AOL Keyword "FROM" These books used to be Nic Cages...Just Like Edger Church,Gaines ect..But those are real pedigrees..CGC never said Nic cages books are pedigrees,But Since Nic Cgae was selling his book,they most likey thought "gee, we should put "FROM the collection of Nic Cage so people would know a little history of the books and where they came from.I don't think it was to try and make more off of them cause he's a celeb. Some people buy rock and roll clothing...Gee, 200K for a shirt? Well, Mick Jagger wore that shirt!..still a shirt though. Just like their still comics,but Nic Cage owned those books. I'm sure it was just a notes to say "hey, Nic Cage owned these books...simple as that,your making a big deal out of nothing,so relax and everything will be cool. Kevin

 

 

Kevin,

 

Remind me how this is whining? I simply posted a reference to an auction in which someone is exploiting the idea by saying "Nicholas Cage Pedigree". Now, you and I know exactly what they are and what they 'ain't', but to the average new collector looking for a copy of that book? They may spend crazy money thinking it is a 'real' pedigree, which is why I feel CGC should never have put that on the label.

It is a big deal Kevin; counter me with why it isn't, but don't get start off with "stop whining"...that generally makes anything that follows less likely to be read.

 

so email the seller and set him straight

[Shield]

 

so email the seller and set him straight

 

 

You've missed the point, I'm afraid.

[drbanner]

I have no problem with "From the Collection of Nicolas Cage" on the label, and in fact, think it's a good thing. The provenance of owning any item once owned by a famous celebrity, politician, scientist, etc.,. is nice to have documented. There was an article last night about a pair of boxer shorts once own by JFK that were on display by the owner, and he paid $5k for them!

 

Yes, people will pay more for any identical item owned by a famous person than one owned by Joe blow, and CGC has legitimized the claim. What's the problem?

[Shield]

I have no problem with "From the Collection of Nicolas Cage" on the label, and in fact, think it's a good thing. The provenance of owning any item once owned by a famous celebrity, politician, scientist, etc.,. is nice to have documented. There was an article last night about a pair of boxer shorts once own by JFK that were on display by the owner, and he paid $5k for them!

 

Yes, people will pay more for any identical item owned by a famous person than one owned by Joe blow, and CGC has legitimized the claim. What's the problem?

 

Again, my thoughts are CGC should be impartial to that "hype" aspect of comics. Is it really that big of a deal for a celebrity to fork out several hundred thousand for a random collection of comics? Do you think he actually read any of these books, or just looked at the covers? I could certainly see had he bought these new off the rack, but c'mon dude.

[Kevin76]

I have no problem with "From the Collection of Nicolas Cage" on the label, and in fact, think it's a good thing. The provenance of owning any item once owned by a famous celebrity, politician, scientist, etc.,. is nice to have documented. There was an article last night about a pair of boxer shorts once own by JFK that were on display by the owner, and he paid $5k for them!

 

Yes, people will pay more for any identical item owned by a famous person than one owned by Joe blow, and CGC has legitimized the claim. What's the problem?

 

Again, my thoughts are CGC should be impartial to that "hype" aspect of comics. Is it really that big of a deal for a celebrity to fork out several hundred thousand for a random collection of comics? Do you think he actually read any of these books, or just looked at the covers? I could certainly see had he bought these new off the rack, but c'mon dude.

 

Who care Shield? I mean really...I don't read my comics,I haven't read a comic in ages,so for you to say "Has Nic Cage read these"? is pathetic,I do just look at the covers,cause there fun to look at...do you actually think I like Thor? But yet I shell out hundreds for those JIM's,What draws me to them IS the covers,as well as the rarity of them in High Grade. I don't have aproblem with a celebs name on the Holder,nor do I have a problem with Mr Knucklenut's name on the holder as well,Can't see what the problem here is either.I think it's just you,Shield. Kevin

[Shield]

Let me pose another question. In the other collecting arenas such as coins or cards, have you ever seen such notation on their graded items? "From the collection of (insert famous/wealthy person)".

 

If you have, then I must just not understand.

 

 

[ArAich]

Here is my take on this boondoggle...

 

Who is Nic Cage....he is an fine actor (one of my favs). There are a lot of actors out there...ie: kid actors, character actors, commercial actors that may not be of the caliber of Nic Cage but they are still actors and perhaps may one day reach his prominance. If the girl that played Punky Brewster got her collection slabbed could she get her name in the "From the collection of" field.

What exactly is the criteria for the label to have this notation. If it is because Nic Cage had 1,000 books slabbed then that would be showing favoritism to the submitters with money. An ethical third party grading contractor should avoid these conflicts of interest since there are many "un-named" collectors out there that will submit many more books over the course of their collecting career.

The way I see it...if Nic Cage can have his name added to the label at his or Heritage' request then the same should go for "Joe Blow". I should now be able to send in my books and request that my name be added to the label.

 

 

 

[drbanner]

Yeah, I have more of a problem with the "From the Collection of Dallas Stephens" notation than that of the Cage notation. But then again, I doubt there would be any premium paid for DS books, and maybe a slight premium paid for Cage books.

 

As far as label notations affecting the "hype" of the book, there's no difference between the Cage notation and the Edgar Church notation as far as whether or not it should be on the label - a 9.4 is a 9.4 whether it comes from me or Edgar Church, right?

 

Cage is probably the most famous comic book collector out there, especially now after the media attention that him selling his collection brought. And I wouldn't doubt that he read all his books either. If you recall there were some pretty ratty/cheap books in his collection (Hero for Hire comes to mind), and since his colleciton was acquired prior to CGC, they were all available for reading.

[minutekev@50]

So..this is hypothetical...(as many of my questions are), suppose I suddenly became famous (movie star, presidential candidate, famous author, porn actor ), would all the long boxes of moderns I have command a premium price if I were to have them slabbed and noted as "From the Collection Of...."?