Pressing Issues on the Boards

[Dad&Son-migration]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

[DeeDee-migration]

poor Eddie...

I'm prepared to let him live if you slap a purple lable on his forehead

[Paratrooper]

poor Eddie...

I'm prepared to let him live if you slap a purple lable on his forehead

 

I'll insert purple balls instead (after a few months they kinda got discolored) will that do?

[DeeDee-migration]

poor Eddie...

I'm prepared to let him live if you slap a purple lable on his forehead

 

I'll insert purple balls instead (after a few months they kinda got discolored) will that do?

make them neon purple and you got it

[Paratrooper]

poor Eddie...

I'm prepared to let him live if you slap a purple lable on his forehead

 

I'll insert purple balls instead (after a few months they kinda got discolored) will that do?

make them neon purple and you got it

 

You girly girl, but you got it

[DeeDee-migration]

poor Eddie...

I'm prepared to let him live if you slap a purple lable on his forehead

 

I'll insert purple balls instead (after a few months they kinda got discolored) will that do?

make them neon purple and you got it

 

You girly girl, but you got it

I've saved a life

[FFB]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

 

Yep. And every time I read a post where someone talks about "pancaked spines" and "thousands of pounds per square inch" I have to ask myself, "Where have you been all this time?" It's amazing how willfully ignorant some people are, despite what has been explained to them over and over.

[FlyingDonut]

Sorry for the thread hijack, but Eddie needs an intervention.

[CW]

That's what I want for Christmas. A set of neuticals!

[Scheradon]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

 

Yep. And every time I read a post where someone talks about "pancaked spines" and "thousands of pounds per square inch" I have to ask myself, "Where have you been all this time?" It's amazing how willfully ignorant some people are, despite what has been explained to them over and over.

 

Kind of like those people who say the NOD is just about pressing and that the NOD's stance is that pressing is bad.

[FFB]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

 

Yep. And every time I read a post where someone talks about "pancaked spines" and "thousands of pounds per square inch" I have to ask myself, "Where have you been all this time?" It's amazing how willfully ignorant some people are, despite what has been explained to them over and over.

 

Kind of like those people who say the NOD is just about pressing and that the NOD's stance is that pressing is bad.

 

Yes, I imagine that is pretty annoying too.

[MrBedrock]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

 

Yep. And every time I read a post where someone talks about "pancaked spines" and "thousands of pounds per square inch" I have to ask myself, "Where have you been all this time?" It's amazing how willfully ignorant some people are, despite what has been explained to them over and over.

 

Kind of like those people who say the NOD is just about pressing and that the NOD's stance is that pressing is bad.

 

Yes, I imagine that is pretty annoying too.

 

Yes, kinda like all those folks that say "why won't you disclose? Why should I have to ask?"

[FFB]

Its a poor example because I do not believe a pressing job that would be undetectable with a naked eye would get a subscription crease out. If you had sent one in with little spider creases down the side, that would be different.

 

That being said, the circular argument comes full circle as what we think is retoration on the book is moot, because CGC doesn't view pressing as restoration. Whatever we say here until our heads explode doesn't change that fact. Will the book come back as a blue label? Probably. Should the seller say "it was pressed"? Sure, but that statement and whether the book gets a blue label are two different and distinct things.

 

Is the "discussion" that a pressed book should be labeled as restored? That horse is dead. That's not going to happen.

 

It depends on whether the subscription crease breaks color. If it does, you can make it flatter, but the color loss will still be there. If it does not break color (in other words, if there is a subscription fold with no breaks/cracks in the ink layers), then you can usually remove it completely and anyone else looking at the book will never know it was there.

 

This is true ... I think many people who have never vested the time and energy into trying it are going on a lot of hear-say and not getting the results for themselves.

 

Yep. And every time I read a post where someone talks about "pancaked spines" and "thousands of pounds per square inch" I have to ask myself, "Where have you been all this time?" It's amazing how willfully ignorant some people are, despite what has been explained to them over and over.

 

Kind of like those people who say the NOD is just about pressing and that the NOD's stance is that pressing is bad.

 

Yes, I imagine that is pretty annoying too.

 

Yes, kinda like all those folks that say "why won't you disclose? Why should I have to ask?"

 

Kinda, but that lot is in a class by themselves on the annoying scale. They are the "Burger King Collectors" -- they don't just want disclosure; they want it "their way," and ONLY their way. Answering truthfully when asked isn't good enough. If that's all you're willing to do, you're a good-for-nothing, scum-sucking thief. So say they and all three of the other guys who pat each other on the back whenever one of them posts something saying that.

[Davenport]

What seems to be always missing from the debate is a hardline distinction between "restoration professional" and "paper mechanic".

 

Both may be highly and equally skilled, but one endeavor seems governed by professional ethics, what's best for the preservation of artifacts, with full disclosure and documentation of all alterations.

The other endeavor seems goverened by "grade", profit-potential trumps preservation, and full disclosure is a liability (since it might negatively impact point-of-sale prices).

 

Without that distinction between (1) ethical integrity toward artifact preservation and customers, or (2) covert manipulation of artifacts and customers, the pressing debate just seems to loop endlessly on.

[Flaming_Telepath]

If that's all you're willing to do, you're a good-for-nothing, scum-sucking thief. So say they and all three of the other guys who pat each other on the back whenever one of them posts something saying that.

 

 

You can't do it, can you? You simply cannot have a discussion/debate without resorting to sweeping generalisation, inflamatory remarks, snide personal attacks, gross exaggerations and all-round pissyness.

 

If you weren't so shrill and strident, maybe more people would listen? Rather than getting right up peoples' noses, you might be able to educate them instead.

 

Just a stupid thought...

[tth2]

So say they and all three of the other guys who pat each other on the back whenever one of them posts something saying that.

If you think I'm going to pat Brad's back with anything other than a 2-by-4, you've lost your ing mind!

 

On the other hand, I WILL pat Nick's back, because he bought me a lot of bitters (mmm, warm flat English beer ) when I was in London.

[goldust40]

Kinda, but that lot is in a class by themselves on the annoying scale. They are the "Burger King Collectors" -- they don't just want disclosure; they want it "their way," and ONLY their way. Answering truthfully when asked isn't good enough.

 

You lost me there, Scott. I thought that disclosure (re pressing, presumably) was entirely what they wanted. Whoever "they" are.

[Red Hook]

So say they and all three of the other guys who pat each other on the back whenever one of them posts something saying that.

If you think I'm going to pat Brad's back with anything other than a 2-by-4, you've lost your ing mind!

 

On the other hand, I WILL pat Nick's back, because he bought me a lot of bitters (mmm, warm flat English beer ) when I was in London.

 

Thanks for the thought Tim. I love you too.

[Dad&Son-migration]

So say they and all three of the other guys who pat each other on the back whenever one of them posts something saying that.

If you think I'm going to pat Brad's back with anything other than a 2-by-4, you've lost your ing mind!

 

On the other hand, I WILL pat Nick's back, because he bought me a lot of bitters (mmm, warm flat English beer ) when I was in London.

 

Nick made you drink motor oil didn't he Tim !?!?!

[tth2]

Kinda, but that lot is in a class by themselves on the annoying scale. They are the "Burger King Collectors" -- they don't just want disclosure; they want it "their way," and ONLY their way. Answering truthfully when asked isn't good enough.

 

You lost me there, Scott. I thought that disclosure (re pressing, presumably) was entirely what they wanted. Whoever "they" are.

I think Scott is saying it's unreasonable for the BK Collectors to want up-front disclosure and they should be satisfied if a seller is willing to disclose if asked.