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ANYONE GOT $750,000 TO SPARE?

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BronzeBruce13

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Maybe you could flip these books individually for $1,000,000.......... 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

 

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crazy.giffrown.gif ... I tried, but none of the BSD's I approached to broker a deal with wanted to take the risk with this collection at the ask price when the lot was available raw... confused-smiley-013.gif I guess now we'll see what this collection is really worth. Some VERY improbable and impressive grades!

 

It would be interesting to see how seasoned Golden Age collectors would respond when faced with so many ultra- high grade CGC copies... if they were being sold individually. Would they pay the same kind of multiples as SA, BA collectors?

 

As a lot, I'd imagine there is really only a few potential contenders unless there is some big speculator group out there. Chris will probably be bombarded now with private offers to break up the collection... but he won't.

 

Good luck Chris!... hope someone hit the BIN (and pays)

 

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Darthdiesel

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1) Big swinging - term put forth on here by blazingbob to describe the exact attitude of some comic buyers who develop a reputation by dropping the hammer in a huge way for books they want. also applies to dealers who can back up their talk with their wallets tongue.gif

 

although for Golden age collectors, the more appropriate term would be SFD - shriveled flaccid...you know how it goes, fogeys...break out the Viagra if you want to get it up for this collection tongue.gif

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MrNice-migration

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Murph, high grade or not, are we looking at the same list of books for $750Gs and thinking it may be a good deal??? Heritage couldn't even squeeze $750Gs out of this collection. You'd have an easier time squeezing orange juice out of rocks than squeezing even $500Gs back on this load of 893censored-thumb.gif !

 

Don't the titles and issue numbers mean anything anymore. Just having ANYTHING in Golden age 9.0 and better, even if it's "Uncle Wiggly" is good enough?

 

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clobberintime

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I looked thru the list of that stuff and not one book really got my attention. It is really a bunch of oddball stuff - but in very high grades. Maybe there are some older collectors out there looking for the perfect Frankenstein #1 but come on, that is not where the market is today. Would have been much better had there been some 50s horror, DCs and Timelys. I can't imagine this selling as a lot and I can't imagine many of the books selling individually for the prices he is counting on. And i don't see much of a long term market for this stuff - who under 50 collects this stuff except a handful of eccentrics?

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9) The Witness #1 Near Mint 9.4 (w) Vancouver Pedigree (looks most certainly 9.8 with only minor tear stresses to staple manufacturing placement) <--Had CGC staff in awe at this scarce book!

 

Well THAT explains it! I was trying to speak to ANYONE at CGC a couple of weeks ago and everytime I called, the operator told me no one could come to the phone because they were all in awe. 893frustrated.gif893frustrated.gif893frustrated.gif

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rob_react

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Who cares about 95% of these books? I went through the whole list and saw maybe fifteen books that made me take notice, the rest, who cares? Most of this collection is made up of the sort of books one buys when you want to own a Mile High and you don't care what the title is. Other than that I don't see a lot of people beating a path to this guy's door. Even in insane grades most of these books aren't worth $2000.

 

The condition of these books is obviously excellent, but the selection feels like it's intentionally boring. It's like whoever was buying it was looking to add only the most uninteresting comics they could find to their collection and left the cool books on the shelves.

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delekkerste

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Who cares about 95% of these books?

 

I've been asking the same question about most GA books for years...

 

It's like whoever was buying it was looking to add only the most uninteresting comics they could find to their collection and left the cool books on the shelves.

 

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rob_react

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It would be interesting to see how seasoned Golden Age collectors would respond when faced with so many ultra- high grade CGC copies... if they were being sold individually. Would they pay the same kind of multiples as SA, BA collectors?

 

Most of these books are not collectible, so seasoned GA Collectors would say "nice condition, but where are all the good books?"

 

As for whether or not they would pay the same kind of multiples as SA, BA Collectors, the answer is yes, to a point. Golden Age collectors invented the idea of multiples of guide. But not with these books, since no one is collecting 95% of these titles. If you want a real answer to your question check Heritage for sales on high grade DCs, Timelys, ECs, etc.

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BronzeBruce13

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Thanks Rob...

 

I don't follow GA much and had little idea which titles would be desirable or not to GA collectors, nor how they would respond when books surface in this nice a shape. I don't even recognize most of the titles truth be told, but I was relatively sure Daredevil #1, Boy Commandos #1 and a several of those early DC's would generate some interest. Of course, I got a better idea when many of the same group of books seemed to draw inquiries for individual purchase. I'd imagine there's a collector out there for most every title IF you can find them? It must be a harder task with the "less in demand" books as I assume the GA collector base is dwindling a bit by now... is that fair to say?

 

Mostly though, I'm just impressed with the grades these books from that age received... 9.8 Namora #1 9.8 WHITE pages? shocked.gif Is that at all common?

 

the PQ is just STUNNING in general... How the heck can books like that have White pages? The majority did. I don't remember the details about the storage history, but it sure sounds like a method to duplicate grin.gif

 

I bet Valliantman can bring some interesting info.

I'd be curious to know...

how many GA books were graded 9.4 / 9.6/ 9.8 or better?

how many of these had White pages (which I guess he can't answer)

 

another thing I noticed is, maybe my perception is skewed, but aren't a high percentage of GA books written on? I did not notice that with this lot... just very clean, clear coves. Isn't that uncommon as well?

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fantastic_four

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the PQ is just STUNNING in general... How the heck can books like that have White pages? The majority did. I don't remember the details about the storage history, but it sure sounds like a method to duplicate grin.gif

 

From my empirical observations, it seems that all you have to do is move to Canada! Most of the Canadian pedigrees have white pages. I guess the average year-round temperature and humidity are lower up there. Around 75% of the Vancouver books submitted so far had "White" pages.

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BronzeBruce13

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the PQ is just STUNNING in general... How the heck can books like that have White pages? The majority did. I don't remember the details about the storage history, but it sure sounds like a method to duplicate grin.gif

 

From my empirical observations, it seems that all you have to do is move to Canada! Most of the Canadian pedigrees have white pages. I guess the average year-round temperature and humidity are lower up there. Around 75% of the Vancouver books submitted so far had "White" pages.

 

You know... that's not a bad idea. I've never even been to Canada. My bro-in-law owns some cottage on a big lake that we were supposed to vacation at a few years back...bit it fell thorugh. i was psyched to fish for those big "Muskies" and breath in all that fresh air you hear about...maybe someday.

 

 

The fact that my comics will be well-preserved is good motivation 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

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I don't follow GA much and had little idea which titles would be desirable or not to GA collectors, nor how they would respond when books surface in this nice a shape. I don't even recognize most of the titles truth be told, but I was relatively sure Daredevil #1, Boy Commandos #1 and a several of those early DC's would generate some interest.

 

Those, and literally maybe ten others, were books that caught my eye as being of interest.

 

Of course, I got a better idea when many of the same group of books seemed to draw inquiries for individual purchase. I'd imagine there's a collector out there for most every title IF you can find them? It must be a harder task with the "less in demand" books as I assume the GA collector base is dwindling a bit by now... is that fair to say?

 

There is definitely a collector for practically every title, it's just that with the most niche tittles the number of people interested is very small and they may not be the types to run books up into the 5x-10x guide range. With Mile High/ Edgar Church books it's a slightly different story because there are plenty of collectors who just want ANY Church book, but with something like this? I just don't see it happening.

 

As for the GA Collector base dwindling, it certainly is for books that don't have any sustainable interest, either in creators (Schomburg, LB Cole, Frazetta, etc.) or characters (DC/Timely heroes) drawing interest into the titles. Most of the books in this collection have neither.

 

Mostly though, I'm just impressed with the grades these books from that age received... 9.8 Namora #1 9.8 WHITE pages? shocked.gif Is that at all common?

 

Outside of the Church collection it is basically unheard of and even in it it's extremely rare. There have been quite a few 9.8s from the Church collection, and the only GA 9.9 (that was actually a comic book.)

 

the PQ is just STUNNING in general... How the heck can books like that have White pages? The majority did. I don't remember the details about the storage history, but it sure sounds like a method to duplicate grin.gif

 

I bet Valliantman can bring some interesting info.

I'd be curious to know...

how many GA books were graded 9.4 / 9.6/ 9.8 or better?

how many of these had White pages (which I guess he can't answer)

 

another thing I noticed is, maybe my perception is skewed, but aren't a high percentage of GA books written on? I did not notice that with this lot... just very clean, clear coves. Isn't that uncommon as well?

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Yes, a great number of GA books have either arrival dates or date stamps.

 

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Outside of the Church collection it is basically unheard of and even in it it's extremely rare. There have been quite a few 9.8s from the Church collection, and the only GA 9.9 (that was actually a comic book.)

 

It's possible that San Francisco/Reilly has a higher average grade than Church, but Church was a much larger collection. Lots of 9.4-9.8 copies in San Francisco/Reilly.

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Outside of the Church collection it is basically unheard of and even in it it's extremely rare. There have been quite a few 9.8s from the Church collection, and the only GA 9.9 (that was actually a comic book.)

 

It's possible that San Francisco/Reilly has a higher average grade than Church, but Church was a much larger collection. Lots of 9.4-9.8 copies in San Francisco/Reilly.

 

Definitely, SF/Reilly books are super-nice. I was speaking anecdotally of just 9.8s, for those it seems the great majority that I've seen for sale (mostly at Heritage- but at dealers as well) have been from the Church collection. The vast size of the Church collection is obviously a factor in that.

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The seller Chris Bell probably expects no one to be stupid enough to pay his hi-asking price. He is using this 1 crazy ad to drive traffic to his smaller eBay ads & his website. I fully expect him to take the top cash offer from last month's solicitation via the Cgc email bulletin. Who else would want all those hi-grade Cgc Westerns? Only 1 of each lousy selling tongue.gif title.

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The seller Chris Bell probably expects no one to be stupid enough to pay his hi-asking price. He is using this 1 crazy ad to drive traffic to his smaller eBay ads & his website. I fully expect him to take the top cash offer from last month's solicitation via the Cgc email bulletin. Who else would want all those hi-grade Cgc Westerns? Only 1 of each lousy selling tongue.gif title.
893scratchchin-thumb.gif893scratchchin-thumb.gif So...you saying that his alledged offer of $500K by Geppi may have been a "fabrication"? confused.gif
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