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Well, for those that's hoping to pick up a copy of Famous Funnies 214 with Frazetta classic "red moon" cover, looks like there's one coming up in the Heritage's Sunday Auction during the first weekend of February: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/famous-funnies-214-eastern-color-1954-cgc-vg-35-off-white-pages/p/122206-69012.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 And for the deeper pocketed bidders out there, it looks like there's a much higher graded copy of Famous Funnies 210 in their next Signature Auction: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/famous-funnies-210-eastern-color-1954-cgc-nm-94-off-white-pages/p/7270-22002.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

i see it, but you have to have an account to see where it closed (3.5, slightly brittle, conserved). https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FFocusedOnly%3D1%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3Dfunny%2Bpages%26ItemType%3DCB%26CBCS%3DYES%23Item_1535965&id=1535965&itemType=0 Well, from what I can see, it looks like it closed at $452 which looks like a pretty strong price considering that it is Conserved and also have Slightly Brittle pages which is normally a killer for most books. Especially surprising since that works out to a 50% premium to the stated condition guide value of $305. From my personal POV, I feel that these Funny Pages with the early Arrow appearances doesn't come into the marketplace very often and are extremely tough to find, especially in grade and you need to mannup and grab them when they do show up.

Looks like we are both thinking the same way as my initial interest in the run was primarily only in the first 11 issues of the Mystery Men run, although I would have to admit that the last few issues of the run are also quite colorful and enticing. As an aside, I remember talking to Jon Berk when he was in the process of acquiring the Church copies for the Mystery Men run and he told me that he was primarily interested in the Mystery Men 1 -10, and not so much for the remaining issues in the rest of the run. Fortunately for him though as it turned out, it was an either all or nothing proposition from Geppi and Overstreet at the time, and he very wisely decided to mannup and take it all. Especially when the later issues in the run are just so much relatively tougher to find in any kind of condition, with some of them like the later Wonderworld issues, having only a handful or less in the CGC census to date.

Well, instead of being such a pessimist and automatically assuming that it would grade down, have you ever consider the possiblity that it just might do the unimaginable and grade up, which would then leave you with the single highest graded copy of TMNT 1 in the whole wide world.

Sorry, my bad and certainly meant no disrespect to you at all as I was really talking more in terms of the overall general state of collecting nowadays and definitely not specifically about your particular collecting choices. As for the Green colors to which you are alluding to, I guess this is one of the main reasons why I have always been attracted to this particular issue of Planet, as Green has always been my favorite color. As for this particular copy here, I always loved to purchase books that presents far nicer than the technical grade that's been assigned to them. Although I am certain that others might tend to disagree, from my own personal point of view I feel that this copy of Planet 38 certainly presents a lot nicer than the majority of other CGC 6.5 graded books, at least from a front cover image POV. I guess its books like these that if they were in a CL or CC auction, would most likely have one of those CVA or QES stickers attached to them. Always hoped to acquire this particular copy here one day, but highly doubt it will ever happen since I've been waiting for years now, but still no dice.

Agree. Was expecting 1.5-2x those closing prices, given how insane everything else cool is right now. Maybe they would have had to been graded and slabbed in order to reach the even higher multiples which you are alluding to.

Depends, if you are a an old school type of collector, you would downright love the look and the strong colors of the book. If you are more of the new generation CGC label collector who likes the big number on the top left hand corner of the slab, not so much.

Fluctuation is definitely right when it comes to some of the readily available movie hyped books as some of them have dropped by anywhere from 50% to 70%+ from their recent peaks. Pretty much in line with some of the speculative growth equity stocks which are trading based upon multiples to sales as they still don't have any profits yet, as many of these have also dropped by anywhere from 50% to 80% from their recent highs during the past few months.

And yet, the CGC graders don't really seem to downgrade very much at all when it comes to dust shadows on books. Even when it comes to some pretty egregious and ones that are an real eyesore, as evident by the grading that we have seen on some of the Promise Collection books with their very noticeable and even totally whacked out slanted dust shadows in some cases.

Yes, but only half as much as CC was able to fetch for their copy of ST 1 at $40,500 back in 2015, albeit a CGC 9.8 graded copy: https://www.comicconnect.com/item/623037

Not sure if you are applying your conclusion here to books like Hulk 181 only, because it certainly doesn't apply in the case of overly hyped movie and TV related books that are readily available in grade and yet command out of this world prices before dropping back down to Earth to a significant extent when the movie or show comes out of has ended its run. Clearly a phenomenon which we have seen repeated countless times in the past, and really no reason why we would not expect it to continue, as per a couple of posts from other boardies here:

And I guess this auction result here goes to show that PLOD books are not necessarily the "kiss of death" when it comes to selling: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/whirlwind-comics-3-nita-publication-1940-cgc-apparent-vg-45-slight-b-1-off-white-pages/a/122204-17930.s?type=bidnotice-tracked-endofauction# Have always liked this short 3-issue run and it looks like this restored copy of Whirlwind Comics 3 was still able to fetch double contion guide value even while residing in the much dread PLOD slab.

Yeah, I am totally surprised that @CGC Mike didn't give us all a verbal spanking for taking this thread right off the rails here. So, to try to get this thread back onto the rails, I guess this goes to show that you don't have to wait through the horrendous CGC TAT's in order to sell your books at a half decent price: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/mystery-men-comics-6-fox-1940-condition-gd-/a/122204-17685.s?type=bidnotice-tracked-endofauction https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/mystery-men-comics-9-fox-1940-condition-gd/a/122204-17686.s?type=bidnotice-tracked-endofauction https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/mystery-men-comics-15-fox-1940-condition-vg-/a/122204-17687.s?type=bidnotice-tracked-endofauction All of these raw copies of Mystery Men's sold for somewhere between triple and quadruple condition guide value in this past Monday's Heritage Auction, which is probably what they might have sold for even if they had been graded.

Have always absolutely loved this cover here because of the stunning green colors that often show up on the higher condition copies, like this raw condition copy right here before it got graded and slabbed: Although the colors on this copy here definitely looks stronger than on the above CGC 8.0 graded copy, it also looks pretty close to the deeper colors on the CGC 9.8 graded Promise Collection copy.

For sure, as any of those early Master Comics with the Raboy covers, especially the classic covers like Master 27 with the V for Victory cover or the Master 33 with the Swastika smashing cover would certainly draw huge dollars considering that you hardly ever see these early Masters come to market very often.

No surprise here as I remember that it was also Ritter at Worldwide that had more than several books from the big Jon Berk auction that was done through CC back in the early summer of 2017 relisted on his own WW website within mere weeks after the Berk auction had finished. The only difference being that virtually every single one of them was now residing in new slabs with higher graded labels on them, with the listed prices all being markedly higher than what they had originally sold for while encased in their lower graded slabs. Since CGC is supposed to represent impartial and unbiased 3rd party grading, I would assume these newly recycled and relisted Promise Collection books would also now be encased in new slabs with higher graded labels on them.

Since I am too lazy to search through Heritage right now, would either of you have a couple exampkes of these recycled Promise books that are being auctioned off on HA on their second go-round. With the initial high grades given to the Promise Collection books, have any of therse recycled books gone through the usual standard CPR process prior to being sent back to Heritage for re-auctioning again?

I tend to get the feeling that these later or mid-run non-key GA books are probably not as rare as Heritage and others might say if they are referencing the CGC Census Population Report only. Probably more a case of these are the exact types of books that a lot of collectors might not find worthwhile to slab due to their lower preceived value. If they come within a pedigree collection though, then the pedigree designation tends to go a long way to giving it that added extra value on top, especially when coupled with the "false sense" of rarity.

Yes, as I was only referencing it from a content quality POV only, as it is quite clear to me that the condition quality of the Promise Collection is far superior. Kind of unfortuante that the grading of this Promise Collection was not up to snuff and did not received the quality grading that a collection of this magnitue and significance should have received. Although it clearly has not damaged the dollar values of the individual books within the marketplace in the short term, it has probably damaged the reputation and legacy of this pedigree collection within the hobby place going forward in the long term.

All I can say is that anybody here who thinks that potential bidders who have seen a significant paper drop in their equity investment portfolio even if they are not selling at this point in time, is going to be incentivized to continue bidding agressively or pay crazy money for collectibles is simply not living in this real world.

Are you saying that you fit the Jackie Chan demographic then, even though Teresa being the much bigger star at the time was smart enough to dump him for being the apparently terrible person that he was. Of course, he then went on to get himself married off to Joan Lin, an Asian superstar actress and screen godness who was clearly much much bigger than Jackie at the time, who then went on to confirmed to everybody just how truly terrible of a husband, father, and family man that he was. Hey, isn't it about time that Heritage started to post some half decent books for their upcoming auction so that we can all get back on topic here? Before you know it, we are all going to get sent to the CGC sin bin by @CGC Mike for getting so completely off topic here and we have only Heritage to blame for it.

Have always loved the cover on the AMF V2#2, especially in terms of the combionation of bright colors. A copy in that condition must have cost a pretty penny as it has always tended to be up there in price, and even to the point that Overstreet finally got around to doing an almost full double on the top of guide valuation for this book in his price guide for this year.

That's absolutely nothing but pure unadulterated misleading hype to even put the Promise Collection books in the same light as the Edgar Church Mile High collection, especially when they are light years apart in terms of the content quality of the books (i.e. title wise) that's in each of the collection. Now, if they had said that it's similar to the Davis Crippen or the Big Apple pedigree collections, with a story similar to the Okajima, that would have been a lot more accurate. Then again, I guess all of us here know exactly why they went with the Edgar Church Mile High connection instead.

Never fear as Cap will blow up again like there's no tomorrow:

Great movie! Stephen Chow is a genius. Have you seen Journey to the West? Well, if you are talking about Asian sourced movies, the TV series that I really liked was Iris which was a South Korean espionage spy thriller: With cast featuring Lee Byung-Hun before his move to Hollywood to play the role of Storm Shadow in GI Joe along with several other Hollywood movie roles. And you certainly can't complain about Kim Tae-hee who is definitely easy on the eyes and long acknowledged by many to be one of the most beautiful women from South Korea. A fast paced action spy thriller from 2009 that is available on Netflix and a show which I liked a lot better than the much overhyped Squid Game.