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11 minutes ago, Mecha_Fantastic said:
Those wear patterns don't look real to me at all. I'm going with fake.
The books look far too similar to me in terms of wear, color, etc. Guy who made them kept his technique a little too consistent. It'd be more believable if one were a bit more trashed than the other.
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17 minutes ago, ThreeSeas said:
When I first read this story, the thing that stood out right away was that the finder said how he acquired the books. I thought "who in their right mind would mention that, because they are just opening themselves up for a fight over the ownership (if they were real/valuable)"
If some serviceman did originally own them, then the family could try and claim them as his effects belonged to them, or whomever owned the barn before it was abandoned would maybe try to claim them. Also the person that bought the abandoned property could say that they never intended to discard those valuable chests and the picker had misunderstood his instructions. I just find it hard to believe that the finder would mention all of these details and open himself up to losing them (once again, based on them being the real thing, which after doing a lot of reading, I am in doubt)
This is in addition to all the new relatives you never knew you had that would appear once the story got out that you hit the jackpot.
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Isn't the fundamental appeal of yard sales and flea markets that stuff can be had cheaply? I think if the seller can't be bothered to determine the value of his wares he gets what he deserves when selling. I wish everyone would post the prices they paid, that to me is a huge part of the appeal of these very fun stories, but I get why they don't. I bought a gorgeous Beatles butcher cover for a buck. I bought a box of Tops baseball cards from the 50s with multiples of all the big stars for two bucks. And plenty of other amazing deals as well. These are awesome stories and the price is, to me at least, a big part of it.
BTW, these scores were back in the 70's when stuff like this was much more common. Still have the record; the cards paid for a year of study abroad.
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5 hours ago, 01TheDude said:
Let's face it-- if this were any of us finding this for real, the first thing we would be doing is ...
The operative words here are "any of us." This particular group (mostly) seem to be far better informed and have better judgment than your average collector or non-collector who comes into some comics. A sizable % of people who win the lottery eventually end up worse off because they didn't know how to manage their windfall.
That doesn't mean I believe the guy who has the books, although there is a small chance that he believes it.
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3 hours ago, Robot Man said:
Exactly, just two Action #1's and nothing else? Possible, I guess, but come on...
I'm pretty sure there are three Tec27's under a shirt in there too.
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Is it fair to assume the OP should have had prior knowledge of PGX's reputation? I belong to a couple of Facebook comics groups and there aren't enough hours in the day to correct the ignorance of PGX's "standards" there. Isn't it perfectly reasonable for him to assume he is getting a complete book unless otherwise stated?
As far as chain of custody goes, that's a tricky one, kind of like discovering you were given a counterfeit bill in your change. Although imperfect, I think responsibility can be shifted to the source; I buy it from a dealer, I shift it to them. If they have records they can pursue the person they acquired it from, all the way back to whoever subbed it in the first place. The lesson here is keep good records for significant purchases.
As far as the cracked slab goes, I view that as a wrapper the book came in; many people crack upon receipt and that is not unreasonable, in fact it's the only way to discover the book was damaged. I'd say the OP is owed his refund, and if the seller is hell-bent on having it slabbed by PGX he could deduct those costs from the refund. Kind of an uncool move but I'd allow that if I had been the OP.
My apologies if these sentiments have already been expressed, I have read most but not all of this thread.
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On 8/8/2018 at 11:35 AM, RockMyAmadeus said:
The seller is responsible for delivering what was advertised. "But they advertised a PGX graded book, and delivered that!" is the argument, right? Except that that doesn't create an automatic "as is" disclaimer for the seller. The seller is the one responsible to do his/her due diligence, and the implication is that the item is complete, at a minimum. If I sell a Batman #537 with a torn out page, and don't mention that, then I didn't sell a Batman #537...I sold an incomplete copy of Batman #537, or I sold parts of a Batman #537...not a Batman #537.
It wouldn't matter if it was PGX, CBCS, or even CGC...if the item isn't as described, whether by the seller or the third party grader, it's the seller's responsibility to the buyer. Just because a book is graded, it doesn't give any seller the ability to wash their hands of the responsibility. And then it becomes the responsibility of the seller to go back and seek compensation to the point where the problem started.
Think about this: you're selling your house. You have an HVAC company come in and install a new a/c unit. You advertise that as a selling point. You sell the house, and the buyer discovers that the a/c unit wasn't actually replaced. Who is the responsible party to the buyer, the former owner of the home, or the HVAC company? In that case, the former owner. It is then the former owner's responsibility to go after the HVAC company to make it right.
Same with these scenarios. If the seller wasn't the one who slabbed it, it is his/her responsibility to seek compensation from the person who sold it to them, until you get back to PGX.
Commerce doesn't work if it's "just a gamble that didn't pay off." A buyer has a right to receive what they purchased.
Exactly. Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing this.
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First appearance anywhere, or in comics?
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He'll probably let someone walk with the book for the initial $2,500 down payment and a promise to pay in full over time, letting himself be scammed by a would-be scammer. Water finds its own level.
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9 hours ago, littlebull said:
Used to always dream about finding a Hulk 181 at a garage sale.
I have found three of them at yard sales and flea markets. Back in the '70s.
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21 hours ago, James J Johnson said:
Sellers shouldn't even bother using the two words, "as is", or "no returns". No such thing on ebay. That's the main theme of the site. "Buyer protection". "30 day returns". "If you don't like it, return it". That's eBay's guarantee, even if the seller states otherwise and if the seller is not responsive to a requested return, ebay will step in and facilitate it.
Sellers who make these kinds of claims are relying on buyer ignorance, and that's not a bad bet if you're the deceitful type.
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Thanks for these. I had heard there was some sort of warehouse find of FF48 but never knew the details. I'm assuming this is one and the same. I loooove stories like this.
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55 minutes ago, manetteska said:
I'm going to guess the bidders didn't look that closely at the label. The purple can easily be mistaken for blue, and nowhere in the listing's description (that I can see) does the seller note the restoration or trimming.
Even though he/she states "no returns", I think this one is going to boomerang.
I would say the returnee has a good case, because it was listed as "CGC 8.5" although typically the grade would be considered "CGC 8.5/Restored." That being said, the info is there if you dig a little so this is also on the buyer somewhat.
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I never understood the appeal of this book. I hoarded it when it came out (maybe 25 copies?) but I remember thinking it was pretty bad at the time. I was a huge SW geek then too.
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I was going to say that what you are missing is part of your book, but since you didn't buy it I guess I can't. Congrats on the non-purchase!
Also, I have a nearly identical, non-trimmed copy; hopefully this represents FMV and I can expect a nice value bump!
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3 hours ago, Junkdrawer said:
The pharmacy across the street in the old brownstone has a tin ceiling as well. The woodwork it has is original from day one. Shelving, columns, and the draws are all still marked “sulfur”, etc for each of the medicines. Really neat. They still have a fountain that seats about 5 at the bar for ice cream and root beer floats
Where are you located? I'd love to check this out
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On 7/8/2018 at 3:36 PM, FineCollector said:
I'm happy Junk won this one, but wow... only in Boston.
This was in Boston??!! Son of a....
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Damn, I'm scouring the threads for some four year old AF15 and FF1 deals!
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2 hours ago, jsilverjanet said:
I'm down to the last episode (been watching everything for the past 3 weeks to catch up) but this one was amazing. simply amazing
My favorite of the entire series (so far)
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Two-sided frame. Scan on one side, original on the other. Scan is what's usually on display so original gets no exposure; flipped over for original on display for gatherings, personal enjoyment, or whenever.
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I have purchased two mid grade ToS 39's...one for $1,400 (CGC 4.0) and one for $10 ($10 was a very long time ago, probably a CGC 6-7)
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The butcher cover I actually had for quite awhile before realizing what it was (it was a paste-over copy). I had another dealer literally follow me all the way to my car haranguing me to sell him the cards. Funny story on the cards: I asked how much, and they said $5. I said each? disappointed that I couldn't buy them all. They looked confused for a minute then said ok two bucks for the whole box. I have a ton of other success stories like this, but at some point around 1980 or so all the flea markets ended up being 99.9% resellers of household products or cheap new knickknacks and stuff like that so I stopped going.