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Really? Where's they say that? They didn't. And Iger has endorsed the new direction of more new characters and less sequels with the old standbys and the old stories.

Thanks. That's a very weak presentation of a discrimination case. I don't see it going anywhere. Based on the article, she looks dead in the water because she violated her contract by making and promoting a non-Disney film. Again, has she filed suit or was this just a test by her attorney to see if Disney wanted to bury adverse publicity? Iger's statement about wanting to do new characters and less sequels cuts against your view on the use of new characters.

If she admits she was fired for failing to do her job, then she is dead in the water in her suit that drotto says she filed. But that still has nothing to do with female centered movies.

Link it. I'd like to see it.

There is no evidence that your feelings are correct. Iger is more than happy to fight political fights on the culture war front as we see in Florida. He dumped her, after Disney embraced her for years, because she was blowing it as a manager. Ultimately, what gets most people like her fired is the question: "What have you done for me lately?" Vfx took her down. Her old-style management style now seen as abusive took her down. That's what all the reports I see say. If there was even a hint that she was taken down for advocating for gay rights or some sort of protected sthat than we'd see a lawsuit. Can you point to a single article by a reputable source saying she was fired for her "activism"?

Three observations: (1) Your chart does not support that Disney lost money on Q. It instead supports that they made $140M over budget. (2) Between 2018 and 2023 there was a pandemic. Industry-wide factors are at play here, which are not limited to Disney, which have depressed box office receipts. (3) Which is why even though Q is down from prior years' movies, that's still a great result as Q is sitting in the top two or three grosses for 2023.

Drotto is not really arguing that and if he is he has not offered a shred of evidence that she was fired due to "activism." She was fired because she was in charge vfx, alienated vfx employees and venders, and they have a vfx crisis. Disney hasn't cited her "activism" as a problem and she has not sued claiming she was sued for an improper reason (that I know of) which would be the case if there was even a hint of that being the reason. All you've got are your feelings. You bring no evidence to bear.

Disney corporate travails and the plight of specific Disney Executives matters not at all to the position taken by you in this argument, which is: Female centered movies are causing the MCU to fail. The problem you cannot seem to get around is that four of the top ten grossing films of 2020 were Marvel properties. Marvel is not failing. So you now try to argue that Disney is losing money to prop up your case. But there is a complete disconnect that you at least acknowledged (a bit) to which capra is blind. He has no idea what we're discussing. You do, but the facts aren't helping you at all. Certainly, vfx problems don't help you. They would be the same with any story if the same executive was in charge (and let's be real, she was a force behind many of your favorite movies of the past).

Try again. That failed. Drotto just blew you away. I'm not trying to pump up Disney stock - I got no horse in that race. I'm defending female centered movies from the slander I see on this thread. And drotto just explained why the firing of this executive had nothing to do with female centered movies. I'm perfectly ok if you want to say Disney has financial problems because of bad cost management. That cuts against the argument that they are suffering due to female centered movies.

You guys aren't on the same -script any more. Capra meet drotto. Drotto just took you to school. He is taking the same position now that I took up thread. She was a poor manager, Disney fired her for that reason, and this had nothing to do with female centered movies - which is what we are discussing. The rest is just your feelings.

Who wants to go to Disney World? Florida is a terrible state and Disneyland is much better.

Again, I don't speak this code. My "conjecture" is the same as yours: She has poor management skills ... at least according to press reports that state Disney has a vfx crisis (and she is in charge of vfx) and vfx employees think she is abusive. I have no idea what you mean by "An activist" but I am positive she was not fired because she was a supporter of gay or women's rights. She hasn't sued that I know of. Again you are off-topic and have lost the thread.

Another swing and a miss. What do you think I am dismissing based on feeling. My position is she was fired for not fulfilling her duties with VFX and other managerial failures, not because of female centered movies. From further up thread: You have entirely missed the thread of this conversation.

He did. And I responded. You must be one of the "cool kids"

You just swung and missed. So much for credibility. You are spamming this thread and wasting everyone's time.

How would you know? Must be embarassing if you can't explain.

I just pointed out a post to you on the same page regarding Executives. You aren't serious. Go down your own rabbit hole and read the posts. You have no arguments in response to anything I've said. Total fail.

Sorry, I don't speak this code. What is "RSM"? Whose "accountability" are you talking about? What ladder are you referring to?

You came late to this part of the discussion and you need to read the posts. poor creative choices (character logic, plot holes, objective measures) - Already addressed extensively above. Go read my many posts, to much to paste here. bloated budgets, higher ticket costs, lower ticket sales, delays, re-writes, re-shoots - Aside from no one in this part of conversation has provided specific examples of "bloated budgets", we've already addressed the grosses, economics, delays, etc. Again, read above - too many to paste here. executive firings - That is addressed above on this very page and on prior pages! You are being too lazy for me to waste my time in finding you the answers. They are all above.

You are on -script with Caepra, but you'll have to do better than that. Tell me what "fact" has been ignored and I'll respond or paste in my prior unrefuted responses.

This is just another overwrought statement of your feelings with no supporting analysis. Feel free to tell me which specific statement I made above in addressing the points you seem to think are important was deficient. Better yet, quote it, tell me why its deficient, and I'll get back to you. I'm not going to guess at whatever you think I haven't refuted.

Opinions differ on the movies. Some folks opinions may be driven by political views we are not allowed to address. But all the issues you mention have already been addressed by me and those points stand unrefuted. Feelings are nice and they can lead to good decisions in various areas like matters of the heart etc. But facts matter more in other areas like this.

Executives get ousted. It happens. Harder now if you are a volatile personality as she was all edged to be. Seems like she was not handling vfx well. Good reason to let her go regardless of anything else. Has she sued?

You can lead a horse to water … Get back to me if you want to substantively address my points instead of relying upon “I’m right because my internet buddies echo my views.”

I am sure that Iger appreciates that NYT used that descriptor, but that is pretty meaningless. Disney is trimming its workforce and other costs. Do you think that is unusual in business? This is not a Twitter or other tech company situation.