RabidFerret

Well, since this thread immediately devolved into a bunch of sheep baah-ing the same tired, old criticisms and showing no appreciation or interest in actually discussing art, I'll actually answer the topic itself. I think this is his best piece ever: You wanna discuss art....? Fine, let's discuss art: Look at the background. It's nothing but a poorly drawn "brick" wall. Look at the feet. Look at whatever that is Cable is wearing. It looks like a suit someone would put on for space or deep sea exploration. He cannot possibly move around in that contraption. What the hell is growing on Warpath's right forearm?? And why is it bigger than his HEAD? And why is his fist bigger than everyone ELSE'S head? Where is Domino's left foot? What is Shatterstar sitting on? Why are Boom-Boom and Cannonball standing on a platform that isn't shown? Look at Cable's left "foot"....then compare it to his right "foot" This can go on and on and on....there are endless errors on this piece. Beat me to it!! We could do this all day, and not run out of things to critique. The problem here is that you could do this FOR ANYONE. Pick any artist and any piece of art, and if you've already decided you don't like the artist, you'll find plenty of things to mock. And the reverse is true too, that if you love the artist you'll ignore all the same issues. Even though I just posted this on another thread yesterday, it fits in well here too. Want to go through picking apart all the things wrong with this piece?

Well, since this thread immediately devolved into a bunch of sheep baah-ing the same tired, old criticisms and showing no appreciation or interest in actually discussing art, I'll actually answer the topic itself. I think this is his best piece ever:

A) I am comparing an obscure Liefeld piece to an obscure piece of Kirby's.The only reason anyone knows the Liefeld piece is because it keeps being used to mock him. This is not a high profile piece in any way. Can you even tell me where it saw print? Here's a nice finished pencil Kirby piece if that's better? Or here's a finished ink piece used as a lithograph? B) But this is exactly my point - plenty of people ignore any of Kirby's mistakes and put him on a pedestal. And it's not that I'm in any way trying to say Liefeld is at the level of Kirby. Not even close. But people continue to ignore horrible Kirby art while mocking Liefeld. My point is simply that every artist has bad art. Even the greats. Yet Liefeld is held to this crazy standard and mocked, in this case for a 20 year old piece of art.

I didn't know it had been confirmed as a five person roster. Where was that announced? I believe that Cable and Deadpool are pretty fixed for the movie but would Deadpool definitely be on the team? He could be more interesting as an initial antagonist who later finds himself on the same side. I'd like to see: X-Force: 1) Cable 2) Domino 3) Warlock(probably no chance) 4) Cannonball 5) Boom Boom 6) Sunspot Main Villain: 1) Styfe and the MLF Quasi-villain: 1) Deadpool Cameos: 1) Shatterstar 2) Forge Characters they could introduce and kill off: 1) Cypher 2) Rusty 3) Skids 4) Rictor

Not disputing that at all. But the original comment was not about the skill of the film writers, but about the fanbase for the comic book characters. I'd imagine there are more Cable fans out there than Ant-Man fans:)

You're right. Kirby made this same mistake With that said, you're entitled to like what you like and build your collection how you want to. It is what makes this hobby great. My dislike for Liefled is in no way belittling what you enjoy. I just hope they don't use that same exact lineup. I really liked Remender's run of UXF. This Cap image is basically the single image everyone points to...and with good reason. It sucks. Not arguing that at all:) But sticking with the Cap analogy, here's a quick example of a Kirby hand I've seen a few times. Do those really look like fingers? Does he have a thumb? I'm not even pushing for the same lineup per se, just that it would be cool if it followed the original concept of X-Force, which was mutants going past goodie two-shoes approach Xavier pushed for and treating it more like a take no prisoners war. It was a very different take at the time.

Haha, no. I just find it comical how many people hate and mock him while giving free passes to plenty of other people for similar issues. Kirby, Mignola, Lee, McFarlane, etc all make the same mistakes, avoid feet and drawing things they don't like, but aren't repeatedly dragged out and mocked for it:) Liefeld has become the go-to punching bag for the industry that seems to conveniently forget all the good things he brought to comics(Cable, Deadpool, Image Comics, etc) As opposed to mainstream stalwarts like Guardians of the Galaxy? Or Ant-Man? Or Dr Strange? Or Namor? Or Black Panther? Haha, c'mon, there are plenty of questionable properties being made into movies these days whose audience is almost entirely comic fans.

C'mon, is nobody excited for an actual Liefeld version? This thread seems to mostly be people bashing him with the same weak jokes and arguments that were old in the 90s:) The end of New Mutants and the beginning of X-Force were very fun and badass books. People read it and loved it, which is why the speculators showed up and pushed it to 5 million copies without alternate covers and foil embossed BS. Sure, it went downhill soon enough, but the run of NM93-NM100 and XF 1-4 were solid books and we'd be lucky to get something as cool made into a movie. Instead we're stuck with the tired old Ratner/Singer sanitized and castrated X-Men movies of late that pale next to the comics...

I got my first piece in 1998 by mail after a few phone calls back and forth to The Spider's Web out in Puyallup, WA. This was the store mentioned in the back of an early issue of Spider-Man that was co-owned by Todd McFarlane and handled all his original art. There was no scan or photo available back then. You had to wait for the guy at the shop to get the pile of art in front of him and look through it! And since I didn't have these issues with me in college, I had to go to the mall where the comic shop luckily had a trade paperback. But keep in mind you didn't have cell phones, so I had to run back and forth between the comic shop and the pay phone to call the store for descriptions since all the page numbers were different. It's a lot easier today!! Anyways, here's my first. I didn't get another piece for almost 2 years.