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Not bags, but boards - is there an easy way to tell Halfbacks from Fullbacks? As in, are the Halfbacks more like the thickness of a standard board and a Fullback much stiffer, or...?

 

 

 

-slym

Yes, halfbacks are 24 mil thick, basically the thickness of your average comic board and Fullbacks are 42 mil, almost, but not quite twice as thick.

IMHO.... there's way too much overthinking going on with this issue here.

 

+1

Honestly, I can not see this format being viable for any extended period of time. If no one else has been able to compete with ebay auctions, I doubt the cgc forum will buck that trend long term.

 

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy,

divad is right

The mode is not at all applicable here.

If 2 books sold for 12 shekels and the other sales were 6, 16, 17, 19, 20 ,21, 22, 24, 28, 37, and 49 shekels. The most common value of 12 shekels, ie:, the mode, does not really represent what you would expect to sell at.

What you are interested in is the median sale. The one that falls squarely in the middle of all other sales. In the example: 20 shekels. This reduces the effect of outliers on both the high and low sides and is a good predictor for additional sales.

The reason I said "…the mode, or what passes for it…" was because I realize that exact prices are not going to be duplicated very often, so considering close prices to be the same would probably suffice.

It still does not make it any more relevant, since it can still be an outlier.

The only reason I used median, was because it seemed to be the term you meant.

That was why it was driving me crazy

Micronauts #8 continues to roll.

 

Why are you sorting by highest listed? Very misleading, like someone pulling up a chart of NFLX stock 6 months ago.

 

Not highest listed, highest sold, and not 6 months, 90 days.

 

The most important sales are the highest ones, not the ones that fall through the cracks or poor listings.

I'd say the most important sales are the mode, or what passes for it, as anyone can get a deal or made a poor purchasing decision. If you really think the high results are what's important, then the recent sales of Turok #1 at $6 and $4.50 means that the speculators from the '90s are actually going to make money on that, and we know that that isn't going to happen.

 

What's a "mode"? And have you ever sold books?

It's a pretty common mathematical term.

 

Thanks! (Although not at all applicable here.)

Depending on what you're trying to figure, I would say it is. The most common value that a book has sold for is going to provide a good guide as to what you should expect to get for it, or pay for it. Now, if you're very patient and don't particularly care whether a book actually sells, then maybe the highest price point matters in that it provides a guide as to what someone who is not paying attention to average prices might overpay for a copy. But I imagine one would make more money (from selling more books), by referencing not only the highest price (paid by one person who now has his book), but rather the prices that people are commonly willing to pay.

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy,

divad is right

The mode is not at all applicable here.

If 2 books sold for 12 shekels and the other sales were 6, 16, 17, 19, 20 ,21, 22, 24, 28, 37, and 49 shekels. The most common value of 12 shekels, ie:, the mode, does not really represent what you would expect to sell at.

What you are interested in is the median sale. The one that falls squarely in the middle of all other sales. In the example: 20 shekels. This reduces the effect of outliers on both the high and low sides and is a good predictor for additional sales.

I would surmise that mothball odor is significantly different than smoke and may be less affected by kitty litter. For these, I would think constant air exchange around the book to promote the release of VOC's (or similar) would be better than sealing them in a box. A fan directly blowing on the books would be overkill, as any air exchange around the books should do. for example a room with CH&A, as long as it is not in a "dead air" corner should be adequate circulation.

This happened after the deal was made so I don't know if them backing out of the deal is PL worthy or if they do or don't have to honor the deal that was made.

Under the circumstances, I don't think their backing out is probation worthy.

Whether PL worthy or not. It would be poor form to nominate.

 

I'm a little late to this part of the convo - but I was under the impression that a personal set of 7-day terms trumps the ability to hang onto the book for 30 days, but if you want to nominate to the PL, you still have to wait 30 days regardless of what your sales terms are.

 

For me, I put a stipulation on a payment timeframe, and if it's not met - the book can be relisted. That way I don't tie up a book with the PL. That's my understanding.

Accelerated payment requirements only provide one additional protection for the seller in regards to the probation list. That is: once the buyer defaults, by not meeting the sellers early payment requirement, the seller can immediately turn around and resell the item. Without the accelerated payment clause, the buyer would be able to nominate the seller up to day 30, as: "it was sold out from under me"

Accelerated payment requirements have no other effect on the PL requirements.

Note: it appears that if the seller sells the item at a loss before the 30 day period, there would be no PL recourse for the difference, as the buyer could claim, "well, I was able to get the money together, but you didn't give me the chance". However, if you nominate the buyer on day 30 and sell the item at a loss on day 33, it appears that the nomination would stand.

Being added to the probation list 5 days after hitting the i'll take it, will never fly.

I agree but my suggestion addresses two shortcomings of the current process - perhaps I erred when I chose to use the 72 hour PL notification period as the grace period since that exists already, maybe it should have been any default on an agreed upon payment date gets one week + the 72 hour PM notification.

 

 

I am going to channel POV

The 30 day rule is there for a reason.

If you want different terms in your agreement, that is fine.

Your different terms do not affect the Probation List rules. [/POV channeling]

It gets more complicated.

 

he said payments would start in November. We didn't specify an actual day.

 

I've edited my current PM to him (and I've told him I've edited it, it's still unread) to let him know that if I don't hear back from him that he's eligible for PL...

 

In January

30th of December.

But January sounds so much further.

I should have just said in 2015 to really give it a poke. Sorry, Roy.

I've always thought 1 b) was too forgiving to non-paying buyers & the rules don't address anything for sellers wanting quicker payment.

 

Today's Rule:

30 Day Rule 1 b) If the transaction is agreed on by both parties to take longer than 30 days - for example, a transaction involving time payments over a longer time, the 30 day clock begins from the time the agreed upon conditions were violated.

 

A Tighter Rule:

30 Day Rule 1 b) If the transaction is agreed on by both parties to take shorter or longer than 30 days - for example, a seller requiring payment in 48 hours or a transaction involving time payments over a longer time; in these instances the 30 day clock is waived once an agreed upon payment time has passed - a 72 hour PM notifying the buyer of your intent to nominate to the probation list will serve as the grace period.

The 30 day period is only for Probation List Nomination.

If your require shorter payment terms, your option as a seller is to cancel the transaction when the buyer does not meet those terms.

It gets more complicated.

 

he said payments would start in November. We didn't specify an actual day.

 

I've edited my current PM to him (and I've told him I've edited it, it's still unread) to let him know that if I don't hear back from him that he's eligible for PL...

In January

 

I know Roy doesn't appear to be heading down a PL nomination but if you were, does the clock start ticking when the first payment is due or when the deal was struck?

Conversely let's say you sell the book now to someone else and original supposed buyer then sends payment within the time frame, does that put the seller at risk of PL nomination?

 

Really just curious.

This is why a nominal non-refundable down payment is probably the way to go

Putting aside the colorful history, why would he need to hide it?

Admitting sources didn't hurt his career.

 

I have no idea of his motives, just that he manipulated someone else's commercial art, to claim as his own.

I feel that the manipulation was to such an extent that it was far enough removed from the original, to be a new work, especially at the time it was produced. Clearly there are many here who disagree, but I believe many opinions are clouded by 50 years of pop art hindsight.

Additionally, the internet doesn't translate the argument for RL well, since the works look essentially the same on a computer screen.

Would this fly today? No, but mostly because there would be nothing new or novel about it.

As an aside. I don't really care for RL's works. Although I think he or his agents were genius at marketing.

Actually, you also have the 72 hour waiting period after the PM notification of being nominated for PL

Actually the payment dates were the following:

7/31

8/28

9/26

11/7 final payment

 

I will give him until tomorrow to respond and then I will out him and put him up for PL and go with paypal.

He can not be nominated for PL until 12/7, 30 days after your final payment.

That doesn't preclude you from taking action via paypal and you probably should file on your earliest payments ASAP.

Also, I would buy the 725M2 rather than the 700M2 as you can handle a much wider variety of books all the way to bronze age. 1/4" wider to be exact

I finally ordered Mylites2 775M2 for my nice Silver and Bronze. Now I need to decide what to do with the rest of my books.

 

Maybe this has already been cover in one the 35 pages on this thread but is there an economical mylite for Copper/Modern books. I'm not going to use the same mylites I would for my Silver/Bronze but re bagging and boarding every so many years seems like a wast. It's not like I'm going to submit my 90s Batman books for grading but it would be nice to see them last in 9.+ condition as the years go by.

 

I see were the Mylites Plus 700M+, Current Comics at least come in a pack of 100 at under $25, maybe this would be the way to go in the long run?

 

Any suggestions or feedback on the Mylites Plus 700M+?

It is not a very popular thickness.

It costs nearly as much as the 2 mil in large quantities, so most distributors will not stock it. If you are purchasing in small quantities, I would not count on the price staying the same, especially if you are buying from the one ebay seller who is selling these. It appears that he bought a pallet of the entire range of Gerber products and he is selling these at the closest to his cost. You would be able to restock from the factory once he sells out, but they have a minimum shipping and handling cost of $15.

I would recommend the 2 mil.

I guess I see this differently as I see him presenting his work more as an 'idea' with the actual final images not meaning very much more than them being striking images.

 

He copied comic book panels - that was his art, his final pieces (the Russ Heath one inc) are just the way of presenting his 'art'. It really didn't matter whatsoever what panels he copied, what mattered is that he did it,

+1

Which is why I don't have a problem with the lack of credit to Heath, et al..

 

For this, there are two possible explanations: 1) People have them and just aren't selling them, regardless of how expensive or valuable they become. This is a very realistic possibility. However there are numerous examples of limited run variants that are expensive and sought after (like the 608RRP), with a rabid and loyal fan base where we still see multiple copies coming up for sale on a regular basis. The Saga 1 RRP comes to mind. It doesn't matter what the original distribution method was, once the book hits the secondary market the playing field is leveled. And we just don't see the same percentages of the 8B hitting the market, as we do these other books.

You are making an assumption of an efficient market with perfect information, which clearly this is not.

However, contrary to the generalizations that others have made there are A LOT of collectors (obviously) who slab their books so they can have an "official" grade of their book, and better protect it.

Think about this statement. Then think about the type of collector "who slab their books so they can have an "official" grade". Now, how many of those collectors are collecting a defunct title, with relatively few books worth slabbing?

I still believe the closest example to this is the batman 608rrp, with its 500 print run, limited distribution, and early eventual demand and value on the secondary market. Fully over half of the entire print run of that book has been slabbed... And that book is barely 12 years old and was sought after rather quickly.

The market for the RRP is substantially different than that of the S8B.

A single RRP was distributed to individual retailers, who were far more likely to slab to maximize profit on the one book received. The S8B was distributed to collectors.

The RRP was distributed 12 years ago, when CGC was in full swing with its marketing efforts rather than 24.

The RRP was "worth" slabbing almost immediately upon release, when the majority of copies would be 9.4 or better, instead of 15-20 years later, when the majority of S8B copies would be 9.4 or worse. There are also far more S8Bs sitting in collections gathering dust, compared to RRPs.

Interesting points about how "highest grossing" actor can be irrelevant.

 

Perfect example of this is Bill Paxton. Because he's essentially a character actor who knows James Cameron, he's got an absurdly per-movie box office gross record (Terminator, Aliens, True Lies, Apollo 13, Twister, Titanic) but no one _ever_ goes to see a flick because he's in it. He's good, but his presence (or not) has little impact on the film's success.

Check out Frailty where he both acted and directed

Oh, and PP changes their stuff around so often, it is highly annoying. Also, quite dangerous as a buyer, when you thought you had your CC to fall back upon and they pull it from your bank account instead.

I don't understand?

If you are paying for goods and services, the seller should be paying all the fees.

You should not also be stuck with fees.