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I guess gators float near the surface.... Don't get me wrong. There's probably very little about ga sh dc/timelys I don't know about or at least appreciate in the grand scheme of things. I'm just Sayng when I buy a cap1 I don't do it for all the little reasons behind the obvious

I really like that Wayne Tec is so passionate about the books... But I believe you to be a. Exception to he general state of the hobby among "youts". The avg 20-30 is not , by any realistic means, putting that much thought or effort into it. Heck, many 40-50+ don't. I've asked buyers why they've purchased a cap 1 or supe 1 etc from me and more often than not I get "it's cool", "it's a good investment" or similar responses. No one has ever expanded too to much behind that Now there are always exceptions to the rule. Satre is a great artist, his perspective is diff than many. Wayne Tec is analytically the exception to most. Me, I'm not that deep.

I think cap 1 is great and I personally prefer it (and valued it equal or greater to marvel 1 in 2.0) but my guess is marvel 1 would still give a cap 1 a run for its money (strictly from a sales perspective). Maybe not, that's my point, there really haven't been any marvel 1 sales of significance lately.

Where has cap 1 outsold marvel 1 grade for grade I'm not saying it won't, but what are the same time frame sales that confirm that statement? Last sales I looked at are quite dated as marvel 1 has been pretty scarce in the market lately so maybe I missed something?

For the last few years I have maintained Cap 1 is the best GA comic book to invest in, there is still a lot of play in this book, look for another major price bump when the Cap 3 movie comes out. One thing I think is really pushing it is the Captain America: The Winter Soldier movie. Not only did Captain America: The Winter Soldier do 700 million plus at the box office, but it is critically acclaimed as the best superhero movie since The Dark Knight. Marvel made a genius move putting Captain America into modern times. This move introduced millions of a new generation of fans to this iconic superhero.The modern mainstream audiences love Captain America. (thumbs u Smart move indeed. And no doubt that has translated into some increased interest/demand for comics (more modern from my perspective , but some trickle down effect to vintage,too). Our hobbys heroes are now more mainstream. It's wonderful. But very few of them are plunking down 40k or 100k or whatever for a #1 issue of the comic ... Most of that demand is driven from existing hobby members (from my perspective of buying and selling, over the past 10 years, dozens of action 1s, cap 1s, supes 1s etc)

I have owned three Cap 1s in my time and no copies of Supe 1. It's always been a cost factor and opportunity to buy a copy at the right time that has never netted a Supe 1 for me. Saying that, I prefer Cap over Supe from a character and coolness standpoint. But if given the choice to own a fourth Cap 1 or my first Supe 1, I'd take the Supe 1 due to rarity and the chance to own for the first time. I believe that to be the major driving force. Cap 1 has been (and to an extent) still is more accessible price wise than supes 1... The rarity of supes 1 relative to demand will always (IMO) keep it priced higher than cap 1. At one time ( 70's and early 80's) Captain Marvel was on par with Superman ... older generations kept his popularity alive then. Marvel #1 was considered more scarce than Action #1 and was a more expensive book.. During the first few comic auctions at Sotheby's in the 90's, Jerry Weist once told me how he couldn't understand why Superman comics were in the toilet. At that time Cap #1 overshadowed Superman #1. Popularity will fluctuate and values will as well. These concerns are secondary for true collectors...what has most significance for myself as a collector (and not a dealer) are the historical and nostalgic roots... All true points. But even in the 70s and 80s and 90s supes 1 cost collectors or dealers alike more than cap 1. That trend continues today and given the market and environment we are in, I expect that trend to continue the rest of my life as well. The current market dynamics indicate And dictate that it will. Again, just my opinion but one I would be willing to back up if logistically feasible

I have owned three Cap 1s in my time and no copies of Supe 1. It's always been a cost factor and opportunity to buy a copy at the right time that has never netted a Supe 1 for me. Saying that, I prefer Cap over Supe from a character and coolness standpoint. But if given the choice to own a fourth Cap 1 or my first Supe 1, I'd take the Supe 1 due to rarity and the chance to own for the first time. I believe that to be the major driving force. Cap 1 has been (and to an extent) still is more accessible price wise than supes 1... The rarity of supes 1 relative to demand will always (IMO) keep it priced higher than cap 1.

Poll boardies that own both or either. That is a good sample group.

Another factor to consider, and it's a big one, is that (and correct me if I'm mistaken) the majority of Superman #1 owners are from an older generation, one that grew up loving Superman. Collectors who are presently in their 20's-30's don't have the same positive exposure to the character as older generations. But that younger generation has also pushed the Marvel Universe into another stratosphere. In the history of our hobby, most Superman #1 owners have come from generations where Superman was beloved. Things have obviously changed drastically over the past 25 years. Comic collecting is extremely nostalgia-driven, so it's not unreasonable to expect that when the younger generations rise to greater spending power, they may be more inclined to invest great sums of money into characters they love, as opposed to characters like Superman, who unfortunately isn't even remarkably liked by many young collectors. I wouldn't agree with this. My guess is the % of age vs ownership is probably about the same. There are way less copies of supes 1 in the market (unrestored) so perception is probably not all that accurate relative to ownership

Cap 1 will not move past superman 1. While waynetec statements make sense and are valid, folks playing in that end of the pool generally (not all of course) don't care as much about that as they do the "trophy". The rareness factor drives the 6 fig + pricing. That factor alone (rarity) will keep supes above cap 1 price wise

I believe That sale was already dismissed as an eBay fraud sale.

lol lol

:applause: :applause:

wait, I thought Richard was strictly a DC collector

I've always loved 23 (note pic is a few years old)

Pretty much

me too...I noted it was a typo...

10 is cool but 15 and 23 (typo with the 24) are better IMO 12/14 are great too.

I love 1 ,3 and 5 Action 1,7,13,15,23 (10 is a close 6th)

very nice!!! some of those would be in my dc dozen too...

wouldn't that be a "no no"

no

tree fiddy

scam How so? the scammer is using a hijacked account.... that particular copy of af15, with the "june 5" date I used to own and it is in a new holder now...those pics, are from the auction I won the book from back in 2009 I believe... I found that copy you mentioned when it was last 'sold' on eBay in 2013 but the lister got two negative feedbacks for not selling the book after it was listed twice? Pics used were the same (old CGC label). Was that a scam too? http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=chiplhjr&ftab=AllFeedback Auction listing 1: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Marvel-Comics-AMAZING-FANTASY-15-CGC-4-0-VG-Spider-Man-Origin-1st-app-/181245521634 Auction listing 2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Marvel-Comics-AMAZING-FANTASY-15-CGC-4-0-VG-Spider-Man-Origin-amp-1st-app-/181258015915?nma=true&si=FMwlj%252Bm3qPWSagm8r2MUYpy3JDM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Safe bet based on what you posted