Snake Eyes

And that's the shame of this situation - killing his overall reputation over a few deals.

 

Agreed

Not sure this has come up yet, but given the number of failed deals and boardies left hanging, is HoS status more appropriate for Goodash?

 

At this point, does it really matter? do you think anyone on these boards will conduct business with him again? Probably not...

Yes, it does...that is the reason the HoS exists. I do not do so, but there are a number of boardies who overlook some of the probationary folks. Simple fact of the matter is that the HoS exists to alert others to wide ranging or severe violations of the selling guidelines, whereas the PL addresses individual and less serious violations. Also, through the HoS process more people are alerted to the danger (through discussion, and oftentimes a reference in CG) presented by the people placed there.

Not sure this has come up yet, but given the number of failed deals and boardies left hanging, is HoS status more appropriate for Goodash?

For anyone with a desire to donate comics to a registered charity and to kids who are sick, in need, or developmentally disabled I have posted some information in Comics General that should prove valuable.

 

In 30 minutes on the phone yesterday I found three amazing charitable institutions that would give the comics directly to the children that they help every day. They would also provide a receipt for the donation or validate a receipt generated by the donor detailing the donation.

 

Comics Donated to Charity.

 

 

There are organizations like this in every major (and minor ) city in the country and all over the world.

 

If the urge to help is there, we have solid, established, registered outlets to fulfill that urge.

You are the man Thanks for doing the legwork (thumbs u

Here it is for ease of folks checking it out, and if questions/concerns remain.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5371936#Post5371936

The OP said he contacted Paul L. to have it removed. He started a new thread in the dealers section.

Yeah, still feel uneasy about how things were left so I posted in the advertising thread asking for further clarification as to whether this was indeed a charitable auction. Also, reminded the poster of the rules to sell on the forums (OP claimed that in part the reason for the mess was folks not reading his initial post). Unfortunately, I did read it and there were a number of issues...I initially figured it was for a good cause and did not give the old over rules, but perhaps that was a poor decision on my part? :shrug:

Just asking but is probation list only for Board public transactions or also includes transactions made through PM in the Forum ?

My understanding is that it includes PM transactions. Further, I think any transaction with a basis here is eligible (the genesis for a number of complaints against Russ/Comic Supply...you advertise here, drive people to your site then rip them off).

this why you should always buy slabbed books.

 

Yes, i always buy my VF copper slabbed. What a thought out and cost effective solution.

 

be sarcastic all you want. but it's the truth. if the OP did, he wouldn't be having this problem. we all know that grading is subjective on raw books.

 

These do seem to be major grading flaws, though. Not quibbles.

 

Still, I wonder for the OP what would make him whole? $10? A few more books? Seems like a very good deal and the 'wiggle room' should have been disclosed up front in the transaction rather than post sale.

 

Is it simply lack of communication or did you really want compensation? Does seem like you got an exceptionally good deal to start with.

 

If I were selling, I would acknowledge the oversight, but not sure I would give back money given the deal. Maybe a credit for a future purchase? Maybe ask buyer to send back books on his dime and then refund the price of those books within the deal?

 

Curious what others would do in the seller's position. This is helpful for me as I contemplate starting my first sales thread.

I ran into a similar difficulty when I was selling a group of books a while back. A group price was negotiated, with a substantial discount given. I was informed after the books were received that a couple were lower grade than expected. :doh: I fully believe that was the case, as the buyer had no reason to deceive in this case. I issued a partial refund in that case (as that is what they asked for). I had offered either a full return or to refund the amount those two books cost. I always allow for returns here (raw and slabbed), and would suggest you do the same if you want to promote interest and a feeling of safety with a new seller.

However, on reflection, I think in the future I might try to just take returns on a whole order instead of partial. I think this for a couple of reasons...first, I just do not like negotiating those partial refunds. Second, I suspect if I overgraded a couple of books in a group of twenty to thirty, I probably undergraded a similar number. I think (especially on eBay) the partial refund allows folks to take the cream of the crop in a grouping of books and offset the cost by complaining about the low end of the batch :shrug: Anyway, just something I am considering moving forward.

Either way though, not having a return policy...and not answering PMs is a sure fire way to make life difficult for yourself here if you sell.

I have a topic for discussion and a proposal to amend one of the rules/guidelines for sellers. Not sure if this is the right place to do this, so redirect me elsewhere if necessary.

 

I recently bought some comics from some non-U.S. sellers who did not disclose their location in the sales threads nor their profile. So I was surprised by the high shipping costs after I've agreed to buy items, although I did not ask up front where the sellers were shipping from. Given that this forum and the majority of the users on this forum are U.S.-based, I assumed the sellers would be in the U.S. or disclose the out-of-country location up front. While I bit the bullet and paid for the comics, I feel that omissions of shipping locations are grounds to cancel a deal and may be a techinique used by some non-U.S. sellers to increase sales.

 

The only rule in the usage guidelines pertaining to this for sellers is:

 

8. List estimated shipping costs, times, and methods.

 

I proposed amending this rule to the following:

 

List estimated shipping costs, times, and methods, and at a minimum list the country the items will be shipped from.

 

I do not propose requiring users to change the location in their profile, as many have creative/nonspecific locations (i.e., "somewhere in middle America").

 

Thanks for your time.

Were the estimated shipping costs listed? Did they differ much from actual cost?

Interesting topic. As have others, I too have been too eager to buy only to realize later that the book was coming from Canada/Overseas. I honestly do not think any of the folks across borders are purposely vague to juice sales though.

How to fix this, I am not entirely sure. Honestly, when I sell, I want to give international folks a shot at the books (they get unfairly shut out of a number of threads in my opinion). However, I am not enterprising enough to list costs to every possible country and use the generic "outside of the US will be at cost." I guess that does self-identify my location for the people buying.

In truth, this has not really been significant enough to stay on my radar as a concern :shrug: However, it will be interesting to see what folks have to say, and if this has been more of a chronic cost/difficulty for others.

It is with regret that I must add HIGGSBOSON to the list.

 

Invoice was sent on November 3, 2011 for $720.

 

After numerous promises to pay, statements that a check was sent etc., nothing has been received and my last PM went read but not responded to.

 

He ran a large sales thread as well, so I want people to be on notice that if you are expecting books, you may want to monitor the situation.

 

I usually give people as wide a latitude as possible, because I can forget to send payments as well, and if this person had a track record, I'd be inclined to give him some more rope as well. Unfortunately, given the statements, promises and lack of follow through, I must add him to the list.

 

 

I've taken quite a few books in his sales thread (which is still running, as far as I am aware), but haven't yet been invoiced. I'll be watching this situation closely - thanks for the head's up, Brian.

Thanks for the info Brian...I too will be keeping an eye on things. Sorry to hear this happened, and I hope things are quickly resolved.

Interestingly, I have seen many a case of parental incest (even moreso down to the aunt/uncle level...and quite creepily a number of grandparent cases). However, in seven years of practice down here, only one sister/brother case...of course I am in a University town Maybe I need to get out to those rural counties where they keep hiding bodies in coal mines

Of course, if I remember correctly you are also residing in the former confederacy...how they comin' with the flushable toilets in your neck of the woods?

Love me some Ghost Busters...technically a Christmas movie to boot

And Watson, you well know that you can't vaccinate from the Snake Eyes...I'm totally insecure...wait...insincere...no...isidious...yeah, that's the ticket...insidious

I could be wrong here (speaking from my own perspective which is obviously a bit different). However, I think it is not you seeking the information so much as the attitudinal component...subjecting every seller's threads to YOUR personal views just seems a bit rude for lack of a better term. It seems to me that you would be welcome to ask whatever you want of the seller via PM as well as post concerns you have in what has been identified as the appropriate place (by consensus not unanimity I realize ) ...i.e. starting theads in CG, discussing concerns here, etc.

 

I really think you risk alienating some folks here...as well as proposing a pattern of behavior that could easily become destructive in the marketplace (good intentioned as you may be, but you have to realize some of the grudges folks have here, and the acceptance of disrupting sales threads in the way you did could lead to a free for all ).

 

I actually agree with you on something. WTFudge?!

 

 

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... the dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Ye Gods...the Bosco and SE on the same side of the fence...truly the end times are upon this board

You know what would also be helpful? It would be great if sellers also disclosed how much they paid for a book they're selling. I, for one, would like to know how much they are making on the sale as that would influence my decision on whether or not I want to buy.

 

And I want to know as much as I can about the condition of a comic when I can't see it in person. Period.

 

 

I could be wrong here (speaking from my own perspective which is obviously a bit different). But I think it is not you seeking the information so much as the attitudinal component.,.subjecting every seller's threads to YOUR personal views just seems a bit rude for lack of a better term. It seems to me that you would be welcome to ask whatever you want of the seller via PM as well as post concerns you have in what has been identified as the appropriate place (by consensus not unanimity I realize )

 

I really think you are risking alienating some folks here...as well as proposing a pattern of behavior that could easily become destructive in the marketplace (good intentioned as you may be, but you have to realize some of the grudges folks have here, and the acceptance of disrupting sales threads in the way you did could lead to a free for all ).

 

Well put

He's a shrink.

So is that an endorsement or condemnation?

You know what would also be helpful? It would be great if sellers also disclosed how much they paid for a book they're selling. I, for one, would like to know how much they are making on the sale as that would influence my decision on whether or not I want to buy.

 

And I want to know as much as I can about the condition of a comic when I can't see it in person. Period.

 

I could be wrong here (speaking from my own perspective which is obviously a bit different). However, I think it is not you seeking the information so much as the attitudinal component...subjecting every seller's threads to YOUR personal views just seems a bit rude for lack of a better term. It seems to me that you would be welcome to ask whatever you want of the seller via PM as well as post concerns you have in what has been identified as the appropriate place (by consensus not unanimity I realize ) ...i.e. starting theads in CG, discussing concerns here, etc.

I really think you risk alienating some folks here...as well as proposing a pattern of behavior that could easily become destructive in the marketplace (good intentioned as you may be, but you have to realize some of the grudges folks have here, and the acceptance of disrupting sales threads in the way you did could lead to a free for all ).

And Bosco!!!

 

Long time no talk buddy...hope the move went well

 

Thanks Heath.

 

Virginia is gorgeous, and the family loves the area. Now to get my books out of storage soon.

 

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Weighing job offers and Hampton, VA is one of the three...anywhere near your new digs?

And Bosco!!!

Long time no talk buddy...hope the move went well

Just to alert any prospective buyers who want more information on comics they're considering from the Marketplace:

 

Spider Dan just listed an FF #26 cgc 9.4 that was formerly graded by CGC as a 9.0. I do not know if the comic has been pressed, as Dan provides no mention. Ironically, after earlier in the week disclosing that another comic he was selling was a resubmission that garnered the same grade the second go-round, he has chosen to not mention the prior CGC grading on the FF #26 or the other comics in the sales thread that also sport different CGC grades than they used to.

 

This was all that I was asking...it really seems more in line with generally accepted forum etiquette in my opinion. And honestly I think more people read these discussion threads than you think.

Thank you for the additional information....is it prying too much to ask how you are figuring this out (to increase my own detective skills )

there are polite ways to ask for the information you are referring to. In fact, asking in thread if the books are pressed or sending a PM would be examples of such. Then there are attention seeking, shaming, or lashing out ways to gather the same information. The comments made by Namisgr certainly had that feel to me

 

I posted information, I wasn't seeking it. The issue is integrity in our marketplace. I've sent private messages to the seller in the past requesting that he consider being more upfront with information he has about his offerings, such as if they came from pedigree collections but are no longer noted so on the label.

I guess we just do not see eye to eye on the place/way to do that. If what you say is true, I cannot argue that it should not be discussed...I think it is a worthy topic, but I think it sets bad precedent to post it in such a manner in sellers thread. It just hits the whole slippery slope argument to me and I think has the potential to turn the marketplace into a rather combatitive place. I would think instead to discuss those concerns in the discussion threads set aside for such :shrug:

I do not care for threadcrapping and my impression is that we reached a consensus as a community that the Marketplace threads are not the place for such.

 

For lack of better language (wordsmith I am not), there are polite ways to ask for the information you are referring to. In fact, asking in thread if the books are pressed or sending a PM would be examples of such. Then there are attention seeking, shaming, or lashing out ways to gather the same information. The comments made by Namisgr certainly had that feel to me

 

I don't mind threadcrapping if it is appropriate. Agreeing on what is appropriate is the rub.

Absolutely true...and in fact I doubt we would ever have unanimty on that issue (or really anything ) I think I would instead be arguing for common courtesy...and in this case it appeared to be lacking. In fact, that ability to treat each other here by the golden rule (in my opinion) is why the Marketplace is a thriving palce. We can at least be civil I would hope...I would hate to see this place turn into Comics General

I do not care for threadcrapping and my impression is that we reached a consensus as a community that the Marketplace threads are not the place for such.

For lack of better language (wordsmith I am not), there are polite ways to ask for the information you are referring to. In fact, asking in thread if the books are pressed or sending a PM would be examples of such. Then there are attention seeking, shaming, or lashing out ways to gather the same information. The comments made by Namisgr certainly had that feel to me

We should open a probation list for threadkrappers.

Pooper Scooper list?

Am I hearing a nomination for the Hall of Lame then?

That comment really was off-putting...ask if a book is pressed or PM...but that post went well beyond the line of appropriateness in my opinion.

Supposedly, Trey Cannon is ex-military. At least that is what he tells artists at shows. What branch of the military was he in, and did he get Section 8 because of his "specialness?"

 

Interesting angle.

 

I'd like to know that too.

 

(thumbs u

 

I went and pulled up his Sig Room thread. He states that he was in the Air Force from 1997-2005.

 

I'm waiting to hear back from him. He's been reading the threads and I asked if I could post his email to me on here as it might explain a few things. Or not.

 

Isn't it amazing what a mess a little dumbassery can create?

 

I actually find it comical in a way. You couldn't -script this stuff for Hollywood.

 

One lie started a bigger mess.

 

Which is exactly the breakdown of the first fiasco. The dude clearly loves comic books, but i wouldn't trust him with a transaction involving a Snickers bar.

Agree completely Sean...that is the clearest warning sign to me. Either he cannot or will not learn from past experiences. In either case, that places boardies at risk in the future and creates recurrent difficulties/drama generally speaking.

I had one of those posts last night where you sleep on things or ask the advice of another before posting. I decided ultimately to not go wall of text or rant/rave. It has been suggested, however, that this may be an innocent mistake or that somehow poor social skills are to blame. I believe otherwise and would urge caution in transactions with Trey Cannon.

 

Perhaps it is because his first incident is close to when I got heavily involved in the boards it stays forefront in my mind. Nonetheless, there have been a number of difficulties (admittedly less so recently) in his postings. As such, I would urge any boardies reading this post down the line to do a little investigation before placing themselves potentially at risk as the best predictor of future behavior is what we have engaged in previously.

 

Below are links to multiple strikes if future buyers/sellers want to research information regarding Trey Cannon.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3267476#Post3267476

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3423518#Post3423518

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5245859#Post5245859

 

 

That's a a very well thought out post.

 

I knew about two of the strikes (the concocted story strike - headache and this one). To me, two strikes are not necessarily a pattern. 3 might be.

 

I actually did not realize there was a third.

 

Does anybody remember what it was for?

 

Looking at his threads around that time, it seemed to be a strike reflecting cumulative violations (listing books already on eBay, spamming with multiple sales threads, etc.). Just reflects a few minutes of digging, may have been more to it than that but I do not recall specifics.