raybowles

On 5/13/2021 at 7:01 PM, WebSlinger said:

Bunch of ebay sales today for clone.

How much is a raw Clone #1 selling for?

I recently got out of the hobby so I'm not aware what the current market is.  I found a long box full of Image #1's that I forgot about. I have a bunch of Jupiter Legacy #1's that I purchased off the shelf. Most are the regular cover (A) All are 9.6/9.8 contenders. Does anyone know what I could get for them?

I highly recommend this member.  We met in person to conclude a deal we had made.  He purchased ASM #300 and ASM #252 in CGC 9.8 condition.  The deal went perfect and he honored the price he quoted he would pay me.  I look forward to future trades with this member.

Guys why are prices being discussed in a sales forum?  This rarely happened years ago.   Please don't discuss prices in my or anyone's sales threads. 

Amazing Spider-Man #361

CGC 9.8 WHITE PAGES

$375

90-day GPA average = $417

12 month GPA average = $387

Last sale $445

According to GPA the last 17 sales have all sold for $400 +.  The last 5 copies sold for $445, $419, $410, $475, and $455.

Here are the   when purchasing:

• Buyers in US only.
• No Hall of Shame or Probation List Members.
• First unconditional   IN THE THREAD gets the book.  
• Payment due within 3 days of sale.  If payment not received within that time period, I reserve the right to void the sale and re-list the book.
• PayPal only.
• I charge exact postage which usually costs around $15 (sent USPS Priority).
• NO RETURNS as this is a professionally graded book.
• Please PM me with any questions.  
• I live in Southern California

Wow that was fast.  I guess I should have asked for more.  

Amazing Spider-Man #238

CGC 9.8 WHITE PAGES

$950

90-day GPA average = $1,014

12 month GPA average = $1,000

Last sale $1,250

Here are the   when purchasing:

• Buyers in US only.
• No Hall of Shame or Probation List Members.
• First unconditional   IN THE THREAD gets the book.  
• Payment due within 3 days of sale.  If payment not received within that time period, I reserve the right to void the sale and re-list the book.
• PayPal only.
• I charge exact postage which usually costs around $15 (sent USPS Priority).
• NO RETURNS as this is a professionally graded book.
• Please PM me with any questions.  
• I live in Southern California

2 minutes ago, Xenosmilus said:

Maybe keep it simple. "Marvel Team-Up Club", since bronze age would be redundant because it's in the Bronze age forum already...

How do I do that?  I'm not sure how to change the topic name?

36 minutes ago, Xenosmilus said:

@raybowles Since this thread turned out to be pretty productive would you consider renaming the Post to "Bronze Age-Marvel Team-Up Club" or something similar?

I will rename it to whatever you guys want.  There was a lot of great info and I thank everyone.

29 minutes ago, FoggyNelson said:

MTU team up number one is a key because it is a #1 but there are boatloads upon boatloads of them 😷

You are correct but in high grade they are hard to find.  Here's the census as of today:

9.8 - 3

9.6 - 13

9.4 - 79

There are less than 100 graded copies in Near Mint condition.  There are 12,000 + copies graded in at least Near Mint for Amazing Spider Man #361.

Since your not taking returns on raw books can you please give more detail about the grades of the books.  What percentage are Fine, VF, NM?  Thank you

There's actually two 9.4 copies available on EBAY right now.  That's the first time since I have been checking that there's more than one 9.4 copy.  The sellers are asking for $1000 and $1100.  Namisgr I like your copy the most.namisgr

15 minutes ago, namisgr said:

Who cares?

Wait..... I do.  

As to your question, who knows?  It's got a lot going for it: nice straight cover registration, staples right on the spine, clean and free of blemishes, and the old label from back when grading tended to be strict.  More than a few people look at old label books like this one as candidates with upgrading potential.  But it's also a time when some people are suffering economically.  Having just sold 79 ultra high grade picture frame Marvels at auction in March and April, I can tell you that the majority of comics of this genre are going for around or a bit under expected value based on recent past GPA recorded sales.  But a handful of the books made all-time GPA record highs.  

My approach when selling a slew of comics is to not sweat each individual sale, but look at how the aggregate perform against my expectation.  And the Team-Up #1 is just one of 78 BA picture frame Marvels that were consigned.

And I think the copy you bought from Blazingbob is a really nice one for the assigned grade.

Namisgr is the book up for auction yours?  If so I apologize for my post as I was not aware.  

9 hours ago, namisgr said:

Prediction time - Will this sell for more/less than $800?

4 hours ago, StephenWA said:

I love TWD. I have watched every TV episode (and FTWD). I hope they make one or more films too.

TWD is the #1 comic I collect. I enjoyed (mostly!) reading through this thread. My CGC Journal is on TWD #1 - here is a link to it for anyone who might be interested: 

 

Great stuff Stephen.  Thank you for posting this.

Thanks.  I have read that thread before. It's pretty much the same discussion we had in this thread.  Has anyone ever asked Kirkman the question? 

3 hours ago, ItsJustRyan said:

Good deal. I remember you were pretty core into WD 9.8s. I’m close to a complete raw set.

I had the entire set #1-#170 in CGC 9.8. Unfortunately I had to sell it plus 90+ percent of my CGC collection last year.  Family emergency plus my oldest daughter got married.

22 hours ago, ItsJustRyan said:

Hey Ray 👋 

I quit watching the show years ago. Reason... it got played out and the plots started sucking. Rinse repeat rinse repeat. 

How have you been these past three or four years?

Besides the lockdown I'm doing ok.  It's good to see you posting again. 

3 hours ago, Keys_Collector said:

There's lot of personal opinions and biases here towards modern books that is not looking at the facts regarding the overall popularity of the show and how many people want to own Walking Dead #1.  I do not own the book and probably never will as it is over priced in my opinion and has been for quite some time.

But the fact remains that there are millions of Walking Dead fans from those who followed the comic to those who only watched the show.  Whatever the print run (arguing over print run +/-, really guys?) of an actual print run for a much number higher number of people that would like to have it in their collection will help it holds its value for some time.  It has crossed into the pop culture realm and that will help hold its value in the long term.  Who knows with the talk of Rick Grimes movies or where the direction of the show is going.

I have watched it from the beginning until this past season (cut the cord) but plan to pick it back up.  It's been a show of immense peaks and valleys where there were amazing episodes sprinkled in with fillers or terrible plot holes.  It has still remained a show with solid acting for the most part and i've enjoyed overall more then disliked it and I consider myself somewhat of an amateur film/tv critic so try to be rational on my view towards story/acting/plot/cinematography/etc even if I enjoy it. It seems that most of the people who really dislike and talk so poorly about the show never actually stuck along for the ride that made the show worthwhile.  Nor am I surprised to see people turned off by the continued introduction of characters or story lines that are important for representation but don't fit their narrow typical ideas of what they want to see on the show (pointing towards the PC comment but not going to delve further into this).

What is the value currently of Walking Dead 1 9.8?  Check GPA/GoCollect for FMV but there is also personal value that each buyer can place on a book.  A friend of mine has a black mature reader 9.8 and got an offer for $2500 recently and turned it down.  I asked him if he was crazy and he said that he really doesn't want to sell it as its an iconic book to him and he views the black lettered version as more of a 1st print with more value.  This coming from a guy who's sold more expensive silver age key books and has only a handful of comics left in his collection.  I don't agree with him but that's where personal value for each collector comes into play.

Good post.  

14 hours ago, GLCBrad said:

It’s absurd that you’re fishing for validation to hold onto a book

Further, its absurd that you don’t understand the difference between Comichron’s North American sales numbers and a book’s “print run” after reading through all of the information that has been available on these forums in the 16,000 threads dedicated to that very topic

At one time I had issues #1-#170 in CGC 9.8 condition.  Because of a family emergency and my oldest daughter's wedding I had to sell 90% of my CGC collection.  I no longer have Walking Dead #1 and I'm not fishing for validation to hold onto a book. Why would you assume that?  I'm merely bringing up a topic to discuss which we all have the right to do.

I also DO understand the difference between Comichron's sales numbers and a "print run".  Like you said there have been many forums dedicated to it.  Why are you assuming I don't?  There have been ample Walking Dead threads and I can't recall one thread that thought the 7200+ figure was way off.  If there is I would love to read it.  

Let me ask you this how many copies do you think are out there? Let's say you won a million dollars if you could guess within 500 copies of the real number.  What number would you pick?  

The print run for Walking Dead #1 is low.  Even if there are 20% more copies than what was reported we are still looking at less than 9,000 copies.  Let's say it's 30% higher we are still looking at less than 10,000 copies.  The low number of copies available will help the book.  

I do not own this book and I'm not trying to pump up the comic-  which is absurd to think that anyone on a message board could do that.  I'm discussing a comic that I happen to love.  It brought me back to collecting after a 20+ year absence from the hobby.  

3 hours ago, GLCBrad said:

Can you believe that there are 24 copies in 9.9 on the census?

It's quite possible that more than 10% of that comichron number (absolutely 100% NOT the print run number) are CGC 9.8 or better

This conversation is absurd BTW

What's absurd? It's a comic message board and we are discussing comics. If you don't like the subject matter that's your right but it does not make it absurd.

I have read probably 1000 different topics on the CGC board over the years and I never thought one was absurd. Yes some I did not care for but I'm sure other people did. 

10 minutes ago, Sauce Dog said:

I really am now questioning if you are serious about this or not. What everyone is trying to tell you is that the numbers discussed in all those posts were sourced from the DISTRIBUTOR numbers; and the term 'print run' ended up being used as a colloquialism in these many discussions. This issue is then compounded by the dozens upon dozens of news outlets / blogs writing that includes the term 'print run' in the same usage (and while I'm certainly no prescriptivist, these are very specific industry terms to describe two very different numbers). 

You seem to be REALLY dead set on trying to find an exact number to believe in, and if no-one provides you with an EXACT number you just shrug off any explanations of why that isn't possible. Just because people cannot provide a different answer, does not mean the answer you currently hold is the right one (it's an argument from ignorance fallacy you got going on.)

The true print run of the issue was never released, as is the case with nearly all comic books and comic publishers, so the only numbers that can be obtained are third-party counts of estimated distribution orders. The number you quote was originally made widespread by Comichron, but you can read what they wrote in context:

Emphasis added by me. The important things to get from this are

1. The number only counts North America
2. The number only counted the number of copies shipped for October 2003 delivery
3. Shipping counts are NOT tracked for outside NA
4. No mention of any additional shipments after the initial one (which is common for titles that are under ordered by LCS)
5. If you've ever done any work with a print house, as I do weekly, then you know that nobody orders 7,266 copies of something - it's always in easier to quote numbers like 7,500 or 8,000, and that does not include the amount printed OVER the paid/requested amount due to a variety of reasons (I mentioned TMNT #1 before. They paid for 3,000 copies to be printed, but due to how the printer made the run they ended up being given an extra 200)
   
   
    

tldr; The print run is unknown

The point is the low print run should help with the value of the comic. If your saying that the 7200+ number is not exactly on the noise then we agree. Let's say just for discussion that the number is 10 percent higher. You are still looking at a print run less than 8,000 copies. That's still a very low number which again helps the value of the book.

Do you think the print run is over 8000? Over 10,000?  If so do you have any evidence to back that up?  

I'm not trying to argue with you. If you have evidence I would love to see it. 

12 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

I don't know. You don't know. Nobody speculating on what it is knows.

The print run is not public knowledge. That is the entire point, which you are missing.

I'm missing?  The print run has been discussed about 20 times on 20 different posts for the past 7-8 years and it was always lower than 7500.  Now out of left field the print run is being questioned with no evidence and I'm the one who does not get it.

Nice bizarro world thinking. 

3 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

1. You didn't read the right discussions.

2.

Yup. Thank you, misinformation spreaders!

 

Just to be perfectly clear:

7266 IS NOT THE PRINT RUN OF THE WALKING DEAD #1.

Then what is it? Give a number within 500 copies.