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No. I don’t trust their judgement now. I highly doubt I’ll ever send another batch here again. I’m inclined to sit back and see if the market tanking sinks demand enough to start forcing pricing back down at other graders. If I were to send any bulk orders at all right now it would be SGC first. HGA second choice if I want sub grades on some of them. I may send half a dozen higher value cards to PSA because I prefer PSA first but I’m not paying $50 a card for any large batches. I won a 20 card allotment there last week and couldn’t justify paying $50 a card on enough of what I want graded so I didn’t fill the order.

I agree. This CSG “hater” wouldn't ever use GMA.

You can say that but SGC claims to still have many of the same graders there now that worked there ages ago. There’s been continuity. The corporate entity that controlled at the time is of little consequence. This debate is about the CURRENT philosophy of grading at the CURRENT CSG. Not what CCG may have done at a different company at a different time. It’s a false equivalency. And I do not intend to imply PSA and SGC over grade. I don’t have a 100% firm opinion on HGA yet although I’ve been happy in general with HGA so far on the one order I sent them. And no I’m not attempting not to be held to what I actually said. These posts get long sometimes so to keep it simple, I have said and am still saying PSA and SGC grade fairly and CSG under grades in my opinion. No need to read between the lines.

I agree they get more for PSA than SGC and registry is likely one reason why. I don’t think you can quote anyplace where I said those services grade softly. While HGA is new and I’m not totally sure how I feel about them yet, PSA and SGC have both been around a long time. They set the current standards and CSG under grades by comparison. That’s just fact. If you look through my posts you’ll see “more fair” and “fairly” multiple times as regards to PSA, SGC or HGA. No place will you see “soft”. Maybe your opinion is that PSA and SGC over grade. I have no problem with someone else having that perspective. But I’m also not new at this. Ive been collecting for over 30 years. I’d say I’ve found you to be reasonable and we’ve had a good back and forth debate. We agree on some things and disagree on others. And that’s fine. What a small group of people here just can’t seem to admit is that maybe it’s CSG that is under grading. Or that other people have that opinion and it might be valid. There are obviously variations from card to card but the major glaring issue for me is CSGs ridiculous surface grading. Other graders simply do not agree with their take on surface. We don’t need a sports card scrutinized with the Hubble space telescope to be graded properly. If you can’t see it with the eye and you can’t see it with the 10x lighted jewelers loupe that I use then it’s not important to a collector. Let me get more specific. So if a CSG card gets 9 centering, 9.5 corners, 9 edges, but a foolishly harsh 7.5 on surface they totally devalue the card giving it an overall 8. It’s a joke. They’re likely only about a half point low on centering to me but comparable on edges and corners in my personal opinion. In this example the card would be 9.5 centering, 9.5 corners, 9 edges and their surface grades in particular are off the reservation needing the 1-1.5 adjustment in a lot of cases so 8.5- 9 surface. This card should grade at worst a 9 and they grade it an 8 usually due to that one factor they are way, way off on. Clearly other people feel this way as well. And we’re entitled to that opinion. And it’s backed up currently by ROI despite other factors including registries. I don’t think it’s going to change either but in the end time will tell.

I didn’t say SGC over grades. You did. So we don’t agree on that. I said SGC and PSA grade fairly and comparably. I said CSG under grades in comparison to all the other reputable TPGs. Maybe you like it that they under grade compared to the others. The resale market certainly doesn’t appreciate it from an ROI perspective and thats hard to dispute right now. To each his own as they say. And it’s all subjective to a degree but a year or so ago some people said SGC was too harsh. So there you go. The major problem I have here is there’s a few fanboys who refuse to respect some peoples opinions that CSG under grades and devalues. They condescendingly tell you to learn how to screen cards like we haven’t done it hundreds and hundreds of times and gotten better results elsewhere. Even those that speculate that this CSG under grading will create value in the future somewhat agree the value isn’t there now so it’s not some far out position I’m taking. I won’t be sending any more cards here ever again but good luck to anyone that continues to do so. You’re entitled to your opinions and to spend your grading dollars as you see fit .

I have no intention to regrade the majority of these cards for $50 a card. I’ll send 8-10 of them that graded 8.5 or 9 to SGC for regrading and will probably get 9.5’s & 10’s. Then I’ll sell those. The rest will be thrown in the closet for a few years. I’d rather that or light them on fire than sell them under graded in CSG 8 or 8.5 holders for $1.49

Duh. Maybe you don’t but who else that buys graded cards doesn’t like PSA 10’s? You live in some alternate universe where this so called tougher grading has some value. In the real world where people spend their money guess what, it doesn’t. And I don’t think it’s going to change either. They’ll just drive more and more people who submitted once to abandon ship here like they did with me and many others. We can keep arguing about it for weeks but instead we will see who’s right a year or so from now ok. I’m done with this. It’s boring now. You can keep sending your stuff here. Good luck.

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Once again you can’t read. You think you can use what the cards are going for today in this argument? That’s irrelevant. If you knew anything at all you’d know last year when these $1 cards as you call them started getting sent in to the TPGs they were getting far more. $25-$50 raw on eBay if they looked good. Well, well over a $100 if they got PSA tens. 1992-93 Upper deck Jordan base card PSA 10 was getting $400. 1992-93 Fleer Ultra Jordan base card PSA 10 was over $300. That Jordan common in the picture was getting $60 as a PSA 9 last year so stop blowing your BS would you please. This is why the graders all got overwhelmed with a flood of cards they couldn’t handle. And no I don’t think they have a “vendetta” against me. Thank you for the humor. I just think they’re grading is a minimum of one grade low in almost all cases. Theres a load of people that agree with me here, on blowout and elsewhere. It ain’t just a couple of us ok? Do you see me on any other message boards complaining about grades given to me by PSA? SGC? HGA? No, you don’t. Because they grade fairly. I just got a 5 card allotment PSA order back and have a 15 card HGA one on the way back now. I’m fine with the majority of my grades on those cards. Im happy with almost none of the CSG grades I got. It’s only this low rent outfit I have an issue with. You see a disconnect there? CSG devalues your cards just so they can try and prove they’re the toughest kid on the block. The verdict is in for me and many others. You won’t convince me otherwise and I’m sure I won’t convince you but I’m fine with that. But as far as CSG goes for me NEVER AGAIN. And to answer your question yes, you’re the clown. Ok bozo 🤡?

I did. The clarity of the plastic was the ONLY good thing about this grading company so it should definitely be recycled into something more useful.

Nooooooooo. Really 🤔? Let’s not play Mickey the dunce ok? We all know what these type cards were getting raw or graded at 9 or above back when they were getting sent in to the TPGs in the first place. Otherwise nobody would have sent them. You think you’re the only one that knows what a common is? Please, go try and fool somebody else with your nonsense. By the way the card pictured is no worse than a 9 anywhere else. At the current prices a PSA 9 isn’t worth much now. So what? That has nothing to do with the argument CSG is under grading and devaluing cards so I digress. Didn’t I just say in that post PSA 8’s aren’t worth much and CSG 8’s are worthless? We already know the PSA 8 is worth nothing now but it sure is a good thing those CSG fanboys that can’t even read the post they quote are here to explain it all to everyone isn’t it? What a 🤡 you are.

Not now. Wouldn’t make sense. I’d be giving them away pretty much for free. Can’t even get a $1.99 starting bid on eBay for these with CSG 8’s on them now that the market cratered. I tried just for laughs. I’d rather light them on fire than let someone come in last minute and buy them for .99 cents. PSA 8’s aren’t even worth much now and the bottom line is CSG 8’s are totally worthless. I’ll have to hold them and hope some of the fanboys here are right and the value increases a little bit down the line. If I thought I could get even $10-11 and recover half the money I wasted sending them here I’d do it. I’d say 40 of the 50 aren’t worth spending the $ to regrade. The other 10 will go to SGC or HGA. PSA is far too pricey right now for anything but high value stuff. It was a learning experience that cost me $1,000 +. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Not going to happen.

Just got my online grades from orders I sent to HGA and PSA. While there were a few disappointments as there always are the grades were much more in line with my expectations. I have plenty of experience screening my cards before submitting them but I admit I second guessed myself a bit when an entire 50 card order sent here comes back so grossly out of line on grades. You can think what you want but these new results elsewhere only confirm my prior conclusions they’re under grading and needlessly devaluing cards here. Definitely all set with CSG. They’re a hard pass for me now going forward.

I’d somewhat agree with your take on why raws are worth more than all CSG grades under 9.5 But nonetheless they’re worth more so it is what it is. And for the most part high print run base cards are pretty much the only ones even worth sending to CSG because the fees are a cheaper. But if they are going to devalue the great majority of them below raw value why even send those? What earthly reason would you have for sending a high value card that you’re almost certain will score a ten to CSG instead of paying the extra to send it to PSA? First of all you subject yourself to their ridiculous surface grades opening yourself up to possibly getting a 8.5 or 9 that makes it worthless and needing regrading elsewhere. If it does get the CSG 9.5 or 10 the PSA ten is still going to get you back a lot more on resale than the CSG 10 will. The greater return will far exceed any extra cost you incur to send it to PSA instead. I’ve yet to hear a solid dollars and cents argument why you’d want to send cards here given the current grade scale / ROI reality. You have to be wishing on a star that sometime in the distant future public sentiment turns against PSA and towards CSG? We’re all entitled to speculate and have an opinion on that but I personally don’t see it happening. Seems to be some of the fanboys here willing to go down with that ship though. To each his own.

Minimal value? They don’t add any value. At all. Ever. Their 9.5’s and 10’s sell for substantially less than PSA and anything lower than that actually causes the value to go down from raw card value in most cases. CSG 9 and less you won’t even get your grading fee + shipping and insurance back on eBay when it sells. It’s a loss on the grading costs and you give the card away for free. Bottom line it makes no financial sense to use CSG at all if you’re selling. Don’t waste your money here.

Trading cards don’t need to be looked at via an electron microscope. Seems to be the standard being used here. If it’s undetectable to the eye when looked at closely and undetectable under a lighted magnifier it’s not a flaw that matters to a collector.

Yes. Happened to me a few times weeks ago. Not lately though.

I’ve never had a card I sent to PSA returned to me with a ten grade where flaws were visible. Maybe people don’t properly care for them and damage them after the fact by banging them around. Holders are good but they still need to be cared for and handled properly. For arguments sake even if you were right why fight the tide? It’s a losing battle. If it’s something you want to keep for yourself personally then send it to CSG. I actually do like their holder quality and clarity better than the rest. I sent a 50 card lot here to try them out once and got the sub grades. I only wanted the sub grades to gauge what they’re looking at because I never used this grader before. My prior experience told me the lot should probably have had between 8-12 of them out of 50 come back 9.5 minimum even if they weren’t “pristine” 10’s. Two 9’s for total grade were the highest of the 50. The other 48 were all lower mostly 8’s and 8.5’s which are essentially trash for resale value. It’s like they’re using the Hubble space telescope to look at these things. I broke out several of the CSG graded cards and put them back under the lighted magnifier a second time and still disagree with their conclusions. Now they’re dumping the sub grades so you won’t be able to even scrutinize what they're making these overly harsh errors on. If the eye and a lighted magnifying loupe can’t pick it up then it isn’t important ok? Ever hear the old saying the customer is always right? Well the customer will pay for PSA 10’s and even if you can get one here they won’t spend even close to equal money for a CSG 10 much less more. And no, that won’t be changing in the future either so go die on that hill if you want to. In the end why subject your inventory to this overly harsh scrutiny? You’re better off selling your cards raw than grading here because you won’t even recoup the grading and shipping fees. You end up giving the card away for free and at a loss on the grading. Never again for me after one terrible experience here. It’s really that simple.

Haha. Zero 9.5 zero 10 for the one fifty card bulk order I did as well. Forget doing 3 of them. I learned after the first. I’ll never do a second one.

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I will not be re-grading the majority of these. Not worth it. You’re only seeing the start and the worst of what’s in this lot of 50. Other than that 1989-90 Fleer Jordan card which is real a nice card (7 surface grade is a freaking farce). I know most of the lower graded ones won’t get 10’s so I won’t ever re send them anyplace just to go from an 8 to a 9 even though I’m confident that would happen. Theres 3 or four of the 50 card lot I’d admit to a “miss” on on my part. That happens and it’s to be expected. Nobody gets them all right. My point was not that I expected all 10’s. It’s that the entire lot is consistently low by at least a full grade with some most likely a grade and a half. I have a about a dozen or so out of 50 that were graded 8.5 or 9 with subgrades by CSG that have a legit shot at 10’s from PSA or SGC. None of them will be going for re-grading at $100 a pop or $50 a pop or even $30 a pop. But when the value service reopens at PSA or SGC brings their prices back down to a realistic amount $20 a card those that were clearly under graded with three 9 sub grades but a ridiculous “surface” grade will be going to be crossed over or broken out and re-regraded from scratch. This lot was a first time test experiment here at $22 a card with sub grades to try it out once and compare it to others graders I’ve used in the past. And they are definitely the worst of the bunch. They flunked. Plain and simple.

Ah, because they aren’t 6.5’s and 7’s. Hello? These are the worst of the bunch. Probably should be 8 or 8.5’s That’s exactly the point. And this is only the start. I’ll be busting out 40+ 8 and 8.5’s that should be 9’s and 9.5’s as well. Pretty much all of them are a full grade to grade and half low out of line. And seeing nobody that spends their money buying graded cards agrees with you yes, give me the higher ROI at PSA every time over these worthless slabs that fetch $6 on eBay OK?

Anyone looking at my posts knows what I think of this grading outfit. If you want to waste your $ spend your time breaking your cards out of the CSG holders and then repaying to have them graded elsewhere then by all means go ahead. I personally wish I could get a refund and charge them per hour it takes to bust my cards out of their worthless cases. Then add a fee for someone to come to my house and clean up the broken plastic mess.

The long process of spending my time breaking 50 cards out of these holders I wasted my money on has begun. Under a lighted magnifier which was also used prior to sending it in the notion this card has a flaw so bad that it’s a 5.5 on surface dragging the whole grade down to 6 is an outright joke. Oh they’ll be a couple fanboys that will defend the grading here as there always is. I say you might as well throw a CSG 6 into the trash. Seeing their 9+ grades don’t even stack up favorably on ROI why send anything else here and subject your cards to this grading? This card, in this condition will either sell for far more on eBay as a raw card or will be regraded somewhere else where they have a clue. Took a one time shot here. Lesson learned. Never again.

Not to beat a dead horse but I’ve sent hundreds and hundreds of cards over the past few years to 4 different grading companies (PSA, SGC & HGA being the other 3) so I have extensive experience regarding what grades to expect. I use a lighted magnified jewelers loupe to inspect my cards before I send them to any of these graders. Do I expect all 10’s? Of course not. Can I miss something on a few of the cards out of a 50 card submission that they pick up? Of course I could. But these CSG grades were way out of line to the low side. I don’t miss on all 50 cards. Never happens. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions and to send their cards where they want or not send them at all. After my experience here I personally will never use CSG again.

While I’m in Florida someone else in Philadelphia is posting here on my screen name. Even changed to “strong” password and it’s still happening. They can’t even get a secure chat board going at this shabby operation. No wonder they can’t grade cards properly 😂