Mr. 10%

What about ? This beatyful Tec 35 with extensive work reaches an apparent grade of 3.5. But I have seen extensively restored GA books reach an apparent grade of 8.0 and as high as 8.5 ! But does this indicate that between two extensive plods such as those mentioned there can be 8-10 grade ticks (3.5 to 8.5) between the books *before* they were worked on? This is what puzzles me: If you choose to go extensive on a book why stop at a 3.5ish apparent grade when you (perhaps?!?) can have an apparent grade of 8.5 or 9.0? Or is it only *some* Ext. restored books that can go that high, while others can 'only' make it to 3.0-4.0 with ext restoe? And how big should the price difference be between an Ext 3.0 and an extensive 8.0 for instance ? Is there any price difference? Or is it just Extensive = one price for all copies no matter if their apparent are 3.0 or 8.0?? Sorry if I have derailed - I just keep on trying to understand this foggy restoe-theme in comics whenever I bump into something hard to understand. And restoe on the Classic Tecs will always be discussed I think. there are a ton of reasons some ext can only get to 3.5 and others 8.5... maybe the cover is so wrinkled and creased, that it is not visually apparent from the ouside (due to color touch, etc) but from the inside, looks really bad? maybe there is a huge piece replacement vs several small piece replacements... maybe it is quality of work, etc tons of reasons, but absolutely the condition of the book BEFORE resto leads itself to the main reason... so, a 3.5 ext vs a 8.5ext will have a huge price diff, just as a 3.5 vs a 8.5 will this is my rule of thumb, though it by no means applies to all books slight is generally 35-100%+ of unrestored FMV (depending on book) mod is generally 25-35% (though some books, even ext restored sell for more than unrestored, just depends on rarity) Ext is generally 15-25% (15% for lower grade ext and upto 25% of high grade ext) Thanks Rick for the answer - It surprises me (i) that that some moderately restored books can go higher than unrestored? (ii) That high grade extensive can reach 25%of blue label value. In that case plod is becomming the 'Purple Label Of Delirium' ...

What about ? This beatyful Tec 35 with extensive work reaches an apparent grade of 3.5. But I have seen extensively restored GA books reach an apparent grade of 8.0 and as high as 8.5 ! But does this indicate that between two extensive plods such as those mentioned there can be 8-10 grade ticks (3.5 to 8.5) between the books *before* they were worked on? This is what puzzles me: If you choose to go extensive on a book why stop at a 3.5ish apparent grade when you (perhaps?!?) can have an apparent grade of 8.5 or 9.0? Or is it only *some* Ext. restored books that can go that high, while others can 'only' make it to 3.0-4.0 with ext restoe? And how big should the price difference be between an Ext 3.0 and an extensive 8.0 for instance ? Is there any price difference? Or is it just Extensive = one price for all copies no matter if their apparent are 3.0 or 8.0?? Sorry if I have derailed - I just keep on trying to understand this foggy restoe-theme in comics whenever I bump into something hard to understand. And restoe on the Classic Tecs will always be discussed I think.

Have you checked with CGC that they actually got rid of the mice before sealing the slab ... cause if the mice are still in there in the holder then they probably wont stop chewing the book? Congrats! Great book - on of a kind copy of a great milestone ...

Buy a pro-clean at Classics Inc ... or pick two beaters from the collection with which you seal your nostrils ... Next question But does it get downgraded? If you parfumed it with rose-spray odour Then it wouldnt get a bump ... So its the same the other way around (with Pooh Pooh) (thumbs u Smells aint a part of the cgc equation Im afraid (thumbs u LOOKS are

Buy a pro-clean at Classics Inc ... or pick two beaters from the collection with which you seal your nostrils ... Next question

Sweet book Welcome to the club

I dont think X1 will surpass She Hulk #43 .... ever ! Seriously ... the importance of these early X-books lies not in what originally happened back in the day or in what got cancelled and what not. What happens for the time being is that this X-team is bathing in worldwide exposure. I dont know why - but the movies are apparently being enjoyed by an ordians way broader than what could initially have been expected. These current events will obviously reflect back on how these old 1960ies X-books will be valued and eventually drooled over by many (especially the 11 first Kirby books - nos 1-11 ).

I definitely should have snagged me an 8.0 white-pager copy back in the the day (a few years ago) at C-link when they went for 5K a piece

But you cant really determine that ... Even calling for notes cannot remove guessworking youre way forward on some of the essential parameters. The designation 'Pieces added' for instance: Yes but where?, how large a chunk?, etc. Tear seals: how many?, how many inches?

Hey! Here a PLOD question for the Tec zombie and restoe-nerd segment of the boardies: Heritage has a Tec27 7.0 Mod (A) up for the comming auction. The last 7.0 sales have gone within the 50 K ballpark approx.. But these have all been (P) books as far as I can see. My questions: (i) How much will the (A) work hammer this current book compared to the formerly auctioned (P) copies of equal grade? (ii) If it goes for around 50 K, - will that be a strong price? (considered the recent CC and Metro top sales)?

Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books. Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it. Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1). As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them). Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade) Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ... Link: http://www.comiclink.com/./itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch%5Fadv%2Easp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3Ddetective%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D27%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26SearchPageQuality%3D%26Pedigree%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26WCATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26SORT%3DCATEG%26%5Fwhere%5Fforsale%3Dy%26%5Fwhere%5Fauctions%3Dy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26where%5Fforsale%3Dy&id=791618 actually, I sold that book to a fellow boardie (thumbs u it does present so much nicer than the grade, but has an "unfixable" bend in the book, hence the grade...but does look SUWHEAT and went "cheaper" because it was to a fellow boardie we actually got a 60K+ offer on it, after it had already been committed When did you get it? The book I am speaking of was sold to a dealer in the early '00's. 'course the one I had didn't have anything I would've called an unfixable bend. And I suppose what look like stains at the top could be on the slab. I remember the red was off register a bit, but perhaps not the same as this one. Damn, it was easy with the bat 1 because of that unusual bottom spine register. Gotta dig up the pic of the one I am thinking of to see if it's the same. Thinking now it may not be and might just be damn close I am gonna try to dig up those scans to see if it's the same one it was sold via heritage last year, and to me earlier this year Man - these books circulates around. I wonder if we will see more Tec 27s surface in the near future? Currently the only copies I saw available are the two listings at Comic Connect, Or have I overlooked any? Ang.Sil

Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books. Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it. Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1). As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them). Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade) Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ... Link: http://www.comiclink.com/./itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch%5Fadv%2Easp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3Ddetective%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D27%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26SearchPageQuality%3D%26Pedigree%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26WCATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26SORT%3DCATEG%26%5Fwhere%5Fforsale%3Dy%26%5Fwhere%5Fauctions%3Dy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26where%5Fforsale%3Dy&id=791618

Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books. Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it. Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1). As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them). Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade) Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ... Link: http://www.comiclink.com/./itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch%5Fadv%2Easp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3Ddetective%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D27%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26SearchPageQuality%3D%26Pedigree%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26WCATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26SORT%3DCATEG%26%5Fwhere%5Fforsale%3Dy%26%5Fwhere%5Fauctions%3Dy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26where%5Fforsale%3Dy&id=791618 The long arm of coincidence is stretching to the limit today as this tec 27 looks an awful lot like one I had long ago. The faint signs of a stain at the top and the little printing circle in the batwing indicate it could be. If it's the same I know I've got pics of it in its original and restored state, and I would agree it's gone for a bargain (although much more than I sold it for). The book in question was graded a good to very good at the time, as was another copy offered me which looked about the same except it had a chunk out at the edge. The one I got (this one, I think) had some splits at the bottom where someone had glued it with model glue. I was advised by virtually every dealer I spoke to that I should restore the book by having Susan Cicconi remove the glue and reseal it, which she did. But when I went to sell it a few years later I was told the repairs had devalued the book. The book with the chunk missing sold for about 65K and this one went begging for much less because of the repair to the lower spine (even though the repaired portion was smaller than the portion of the other book which had been torn away!) So cut to years later and this book goes for 55K (more than I paid, and more than I sold it for, but still less than a mostly similar book with a larger portion that was altered (by way of being removed). Well if the scans are there, it would be awfully interesting to see them (before / after pics). Just for fun, since the book is obviously not available currently. Ang.Sil

Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books. Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it. Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1). As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them). Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade) Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ... Link: http://www.comiclink.com/./itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch%5Fadv%2Easp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3Ddetective%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D27%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26SearchPageQuality%3D%26Pedigree%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26WCATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26SORT%3DCATEG%26%5Fwhere%5Fforsale%3Dy%26%5Fwhere%5Fauctions%3Dy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26where%5Fforsale%3Dy&id=791618 Tell us a little about yourself Ang. For a newb on the boards, you seem to be plugged in to the big book market. Ciorac! Thanks for asking. I wouldnt say I am 'plugged in to the big book' market. I have had big chunks of time (5-8 years) where I have left the comics collecting scene. This was during some tuff rallies of carrier climbin'. But everytime I fall out it seems that I am eventually somehow sucked back in. Anyway: I am in a position today where it is not completely impossible for me at some point - if I choose to - to pursue perhaps even the GA keys (some of them). But who knows perhaps it will never happen. But I am not an investor primarily at all. It is primarily childhood stuff that drives me on these (Tec, Batman, Action, etc.) books. I mean why they are interesting for me. And GA is a new arena for me, since I have hitherto been in Silver and bronze and moderns so far. As I said in my thread 'intro: newbie' (in General) I am new as a poster on the boards, - but I have visited here often for years enjoying many of the threads rolled out from time to time. I hope this sheds a little light on the sense in which I am 'plugged in' as you say. Best Ang.Sil

Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books. Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it. Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1). As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them). Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade) Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ... Link: http://www.comiclink.com/./itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch%5Fadv%2Easp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3Ddetective%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D27%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26SearchPageQuality%3D%26Pedigree%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26WCATEGORIES%3D%2D1%26SORT%3DCATEG%26%5Fwhere%5Fforsale%3Dy%26%5Fwhere%5Fauctions%3Dy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26where%5Fforsale%3Dy&id=791618

the seller should take the 34k offer and run. Maybe the seller could make up the difference by throwing in that 12K copy of New Mutants 87

Currently: 34K bid up. Counter offer from seller pending. Bid option closed until counter offer expires. We might see it changing hands soon. Ang.Sil

I could be seeing myself at some point having a big book ... one day. I dont think I have the guts or the budget to pull the trigger on this smoker. But I saw this book and thought about these questions: 1. What is this book worth? No taker for months with a BIN 45K 2. Would the purple label be a problem on a book like this? 3. A blue 4.5 would guide at what: 3 times this price or more. Is a 66% discount FMV for this book or should it rather sell in the 30K range? 4. Why has it not sold? Does this book not usually moves at high pace in the marketplace? Is it the married pages that kills it? Ang.Sil Tec #27 CGC VG+: 4.5 crm/ow pgs Ext. (P) color touch, pcs added, tr sls, cleaned, reinforced, back cover married Link: http://www.comicconnect.com/bookSearch.php?order=&sort=asc&pageNum=0&pageSize=50&aSearchPos=up&searchType=advanced&title=detective&issue=27&GO.x=0&GO.y=0

Man - the silence lies pretty heavily over this thread. To bad: it is really an interesting subject to bring up. Perhaps kc120us you are half a decade too early on this one. Eventually the tides will turn ...