Bat-Man

Been saying this before and I'll say it again.. Det. #33 is soooo undervalued its ridiculous!?!? This issue contains Batman's origin retold,, How cool is that? It's like owning a mini Tec 27.. Same with Bat 1

not sure it is undervalued...heck, it has been higher valued in the guide for 20+ years just for that reason

 

the difference today is that books are encased in cgc holders, so the content seems to count for less, and the cover more...hence, 29 and 31 are now both passing 33 by

Fully agree with this. Covers rule the day when we collect slabbed books.

And for Tec 33 - I feel it should be on the same level as say 29 or 31 (or less) because yes it is the origin but heck the story following is the worst of the pre robins in my opinion.

This place is turning into a Tec 31 thread!

 

Offhand, I didn't see if someone responded to the question I posted earlier but what is the market like on coverless copies of this book? I haven't seen any on eBay or any of the major dealer sites. Wasn't sure if any of you have seen sales on it or not.

 

I am pretty sure someone said it would be around 3K for a coverless one

yep, there were multiple response I believe, in that neighborhood (thumbs u

 

In my defense, it IS the end of the marking period and my seniors are draining the brainpower out of me with all of their blasted neediness.

 

 

That being the case, I find it really interest as well because a .5 PR copy of Batman runs about the same price. Now, if you remove the defining characteristic of the Tec 31's value (the cover), do you think it SHOULD be worth the same as a book the contains the first appearances of Batman's two most important villains?

 

Tec 31 is a cover driven book 1st, and interior value 2nd. If the 31 cover was ho hum ("normal"), I'd say the 29 and 33 and 35 would be valued at more across in all grades...

Really?

No offense to 29, 33 (except the origin), and 35. All have great stories. But personally 31/32 has the best pre-robin story in my opinion. A two part story that ends with Batman shooting his enemies in cold blood to finish them off once and for all.

Kind of make you wonder what's worth more: the coverless copy or the cover itself, you know? I'd almost think the cover, being one of THE definitive Batman covers, would fetch more than the actual complete interior.

I could really see that happening. It makes sense. If I had a coverless copy I would pay top dollar for the cover.

For any coverless copy I own I would pay more for the cover than I did for the interior, as it would seem covers are harder to come by then interiors.

I know a front cover only (no back cover attached) to Tec 35 sold for $1,500 a little while back on heritage.

Lot a variables with "parts" especially for key issues.

This place is turning into a Tec 31 thread!

 

Offhand, I didn't see if someone responded to the question I posted earlier but what is the market like on coverless copies of this book? I haven't seen any on eBay or any of the major dealer sites. Wasn't sure if any of you have seen sales on it or not.

I am pretty sure someone said it would be around 3K for a coverless one

Finally here it is, sorry for the glare at the top, this is the best I could get without bursting a blood vessel. It's not a million bucks but I like it. 6.0 extensive C/OW

 

It has not been posted in this thread yet so I will do it. It needs to be stated here too!

Detective Comics #27 CGC 8.0 realized a final value of $1,075,500.00

Making it the highest sale ever!

Batman rules the day (at this time anyway)

Page 300

 

 

Nice Book! (thumbs u

And whoo!!!

Here's another pic of that beast of a grail...

 

(thumbs u

And wow there was a captain marvel 1 and tec 28 when you went?!?!

When I went all they had as far as monster grails were the action 1, tec 27, aa16, and adventure 40, and af 15! Which are amazing anf fulfilling but nothing else of note was there. I was hoping to see some more fun's or the pre robin run. nope. must have had them out, I know he switches up the displays.

Detective Comics #27 from Geppi's Museum in Baltimore.

(photos taken by yours truly)

 

 

 

 

Anyone know the grade on this bad boy? Or any history around it with Geppi?

extensively restored in the vf range (thumbs u

When I first saw it, I could tell something was very "artificial" with it. It just screams restored. Looks real and glorious just it is apparent there was resto. Same with his other books there. Would I take them in a heart beat with resto? You bet your sweet aunt susy!

Here is an "aerial" view

Detective Comics #27 from Geppi's Museum in Baltimore.

(photos taken by yours truly)

Anyone know the grade on this bad boy? Or any history around it with Geppi?

Uh...Uh...That shot has completely blown my mind. There so hot, wish I could touch one! not too creepy right?

So, some recent discussions here + WAY too much time at home in the last week or so = this group shot of my Catmans.

 

(Full disclosure: the #5 and #11 peeking out of the upper left are coverless. I'd love to upgrade them, but never been able to. This is one tough title on a budget...)

 

 

CATMAN!

Nice! (also love the cat in the background!)

I need the front cover to Fantastic Four (1961) #1 and the Covers to Detective Comics #32

a 5.0 copy of tec 31 is approx a $23K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 29 is approx a $22K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 35 is approx a $20K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 33 is approx a $18K book today

 

now there are all kind of variables, like structure, presentation, what defects are visible, pq, etc...so, not all 5.0's are created equal... but, that is about what I have seen in the market over the last few years

for my money, I'd want more separation between 31/29 and 35...I think a 5.0 #31 and 29 is worth more than $2-$3k than a #35 in the same grade.

just the facts mister...just the facts...

 

(thumbs u yes sir

 

Well, the 35 is catching up to the 31 and 29, but wont pass them. The 29 and 31 will flip in desirability now and then. The 31 is more desired now but I can see the opposite happening not too long down the line. Personally, I like the 29 cover more. Much more action happening on the 29.

I disagree...I think 31 will always hold an edge over 29, albeit only slight (I mean, it has for the past 50 years, not sure what is going to change now)....and I agree that 35 will always lag behind those 2...

 

Agreed

 

The 35 will always stay 3d but it has grown to become the 4th most desired issue after 27, 31 and 29 , without a doubt. Its tough to say that 31 will stay 2nd forever though. But no matter what that and the 29 will always be close, that is a fact too.

 

I think it will be pretty firm soon that of course 27 will stay numero uno and that most likely 35 will become the unquestionable 4th. But I agree that 29/31 will always be very close and possibly flip flop around and around as time goes on. No matter what 29 and 31 are some great books.

the price flip flopping would be dictated by supply and demand... since I contend there will always be more demand for the iconic 31 (though 29 is ultra cool too), then unless there is new supply added to the market, 31 will probably stay even or edge ahead in price...

 

now, that is not to say that there will be periods where 31 is more available in the market, and 29 is not, and 29 will "blow up" price wise... but long term, pretty safe bet

27 then 31 then 29 then 35 (IMO)

My thoughts as well (or at least what I intended to imply)

Agreed! (thumbs u

Too bad DC never did a Batman Vs. Superman cover like Timely did with their Marvel 9

 

No comparison between the cape on 29 and 27.

 

Agreed. 29 is a more dark cover and a fantastic cape.

I like the cape on 33 best actually...

 

the 33 is cool too. But his cape on 29 is still nicer, much more dark. Actually menacing. If they had introduced him as a a villain in 29 he could have passed off as one.

and the gun holster on 33 is sweet.

The 33....

If you were a villain already scared out of your mind of Bat-Man coming at you and then you see he now has a gun.... Oh my god. Call it a day and just kill yourself (villian)

haha.

 

No comparison between the cape on 29 and 27.

 

Agreed. 29 is a more dark cover and a fantastic cape.

I like the cape on 33 best actually...

 

the 33 is cool too. But his cape on 29 is still nicer, much more dark. Actually menacing. If they had introduced him as a a villain in 29 he could have passed off as one.

the 29 and 31 are "bookends" in my book (thumbs u

 

31 might be the best "no action" GA cover ever

 

 

 

 

 

31 is the mona lisa of GA covers to me. That is just my personal opinion.

 

 

Mona lisa hu? I dont like that too much either Louis David too me had better taste.

 

Napoleon on his horse pointing to his empire- to me is better then some woman smiling (or not smiling)

 

Did you know Napoleon never rode a horse across it was really a mule. The artist just painted a horse because it displayed better and made him more commanding.

 

yea but if someone drew Napoleon on a mule it would have been the guillotine for them

 

True true. Napoleon was all about status and presence!

 

I feel bad for Napoleon he never got to read GA Batman Pre-Robins.

 

He probably would have wanted to be drawn as the caped crusader on a horse

HAHAHAHA!

 

No comparison between the cape on 29 and 27.

 

Agreed. 29 is a more dark cover and a fantastic cape.

I like the cape on 33 best actually...

It funny how 27 29 and 33 capes differ.

Here's my opinion on the capes.

27<29<33

the 29 and 31 are "bookends" in my book (thumbs u

 

31 might be the best "no action" GA cover ever

 

 

 

 

 

31 is the mona lisa of GA covers to me. That is just my personal opinion.

 

 

Mona lisa hu? I dont like that too much either Louis David too me had better taste.

 

Napoleon on his horse pointing to his empire- to me is better then some woman smiling (or not smiling)

 

Did you know Napoleon never rode a horse across it was really a mule. The artist just painted a horse because it displayed better and made him more commanding.

 

yea but if someone drew Napoleon on a mule it would have been the guillotine for them

True true. Napoleon was all about status and presence!

I feel bad for Napoleon he never got to read GA Batman Pre-Robins.

 

No comparison between the cape on 29 and 27.

Agreed. 29 is a more dark cover and a fantastic cape.

the 29 and 31 are "bookends" in my book (thumbs u

 

31 might be the best "no action" GA cover ever

 

 

 

 

 

31 is the mona lisa of GA covers to me. That is just my personal opinion.

 

 

Mona lisa hu? I dont like that too much either Louis David too me had better taste.

 

Napoleon on his horse pointing to his empire- to me is better then some woman smiling (or not smiling)

Did you know Napoleon never rode a horse across it was really a mule. The artist just painted a horse because it displayed better and made him more commanding.

a 5.0 copy of tec 31 is approx a $23K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 29 is approx a $22K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 35 is approx a $20K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 33 is approx a $18K book today

 

now there are all kind of variables, like structure, presentation, what defects are visible, pq, etc...so, not all 5.0's are created equal... but, that is about what I have seen in the market over the last few years

for my money, I'd want more separation between 31/29 and 35...I think a 5.0 #31 and 29 is worth more than $2-$3k than a #35 in the same grade.

just the facts mister...just the facts...

 

(thumbs u yes sir

 

Well, the 35 is catching up to the 31 and 29, but wont pass them. The 29 and 31 will flip in desirability now and then. The 31 is more desired now but I can see the opposite happening not too long down the line. Personally, I like the 29 cover more. Much more action happening on the 29.

I disagree...I think 31 will always hold an edge over 29, albeit only slight (I mean, it has for the past 50 years, not sure what is going to change now)....and I agree that 35 will always lag behind those 2...

 

Agreed

 

The 35 will always stay 3d but it has grown to become the 4th most desired issue after 27, 31 and 29 , without a doubt. Its tough to say that 31 will stay 2nd forever though. But no matter what that and the 29 will always be close, that is a fact too.

 

I think it will be pretty firm soon that of course 27 will stay numero uno and that most likely 35 will become the unquestionable 4th. But I agree that 29/31 will always be very close and possibly flip flop around and around as time goes on. No matter what 29 and 31 are some great books.

 

Same thought here. It is possible for the 29 to go ahead (even by a hair) of the 31 but in the long run most will desire the 31 more because of the huge Bat cover. But like I said before , I personally prefer the 29 because of the all out action going on. The 35 will not become the 4th , It already "IS" the 4th most desired.

 

I agree with you there.

 

And if we where just going on covers of all the pre-robins (Tec 27 included)

 

31 and 35 will always be my favs.

 

Strange enough, I dont really think the cover to 27 is great. Not even that good. A very small weak looking Batman, and the way the villain is holding the gun seems uneven. Thats just me though. Of course though, Id take a copy any given day. But, I wish 29 was the first Bat issue. Much much better cover. Not even in the same class

I actually really like 27 but I feel my opinion of it is bias just due to the fact it is the grail of all grails.

While it is not a strong cover compared to 29,31,35.

I feel it is the perfect cover for an opener. Its a full figured Batman. You can see his face. And you know he is fighting the bad guys with guns. I also really like the cape on it (and 29 as well!)

the 29 and 31 are "bookends" in my book (thumbs u

 

31 might be the best "no action" GA cover ever

31 is the mona lisa of GA covers to me. That is just my personal opinion.

a 5.0 copy of tec 31 is approx a $23K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 29 is approx a $22K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 35 is approx a $20K book today

a 5.0 copy of tec 33 is approx a $18K book today

 

now there are all kind of variables, like structure, presentation, what defects are visible, pq, etc...so, not all 5.0's are created equal... but, that is about what I have seen in the market over the last few years

for my money, I'd want more separation between 31/29 and 35...I think a 5.0 #31 and 29 is worth more than $2-$3k than a #35 in the same grade.

just the facts mister...just the facts...

 

(thumbs u yes sir

 

Well, the 35 is catching up to the 31 and 29, but wont pass them. The 29 and 31 will flip in desirability now and then. The 31 is more desired now but I can see the opposite happening not too long down the line. Personally, I like the 29 cover more. Much more action happening on the 29.

I disagree...I think 31 will always hold an edge over 29, albeit only slight (I mean, it has for the past 50 years, not sure what is going to change now)....and I agree that 35 will always lag behind those 2...

 

Agreed

 

The 35 will always stay 3d but it has grown to become the 4th most desired issue after 27, 31 and 29 , without a doubt. Its tough to say that 31 will stay 2nd forever though. But no matter what that and the 29 will always be close, that is a fact too.

 

I think it will be pretty firm soon that of course 27 will stay numero uno and that most likely 35 will become the unquestionable 4th. But I agree that 29/31 will always be very close and possibly flip flop around and around as time goes on. No matter what 29 and 31 are some great books.

 

Same thought here. It is possible for the 29 to go ahead (even by a hair) of the 31 but in the long run most will desire the 31 more because of the huge Bat cover. But like I said before , I personally prefer the 29 because of the all out action going on. The 35 will not become the 4th , It already "IS" the 4th most desired.

I agree with you there.

And if we where just going on covers of all the pre-robins (Tec 27 included)

31 and 35 will always be my favs.