MatterEaterLad

Good, weird, documentary. Ninjas. There were going to be ninjas fighting Superman.

I like Colan's pencils even more. The ink sometimes ruins all that intricate shading.

Taking it to ECCC next week. Hoping to get Matt Fraction to sign the back.

(thumbs u

Just got it back from the framer. Unfortunately they cut the mat too small so it's over her sig. Have to take it back.

Sex Criminals #1, Ghost Variant by Yuko Shimizu (LOVE her art).

What. A. Joke.

BREAKING NEWS: Dr. Doom has been replaced with Dr. Phil.

Wow. An unrelenting fine art debate.

In circling back to the original post, I don't believe that Lichtenstein (or his estate) owes the original source artists money, but still think an attribution is warranted. He's not evil. Not a greedy hack. Just on marginal ethical grounds when using someone else's art and repackaging, repurposing, reclassifying it as his.

A modern version of this would be Shia LaBeouf using Daniel Clowes comic for a short film. The comic and its creator were brushed aside in LaBeouf's effort to create his own art. His art, trumping the source, which, , it's just a comic, who will notice? Ah, nice to live in a digital age.

And for the record, I get the context of the art world in which Lichtenstein stuff was created. My degree is in art.

There are few artists that I dislike so much that I actually feel the need to speak out towards them. Lichtenstein is one of them.

 

Lichtenstein is a hack and his notoriety comes from the fact that people did not understand that he was repurposing someone elses' work almost exactly and then claiming it as his own with no attribution. This is one of the most unethical things an artist can do.

 

Yes, it looks *slightly* different. He applied the same graphic arts techniques to his work as someone would apply to creating a billboard or other large-format piece of commercial art to be viewed at a distance. He simplified things as any other graphic artist would do - and that, in itself, is not enough to say: "Hey look! Its different!" Color palette, line stroke - these are not revolutionary things, they are techniques specific to the application, that most artists understand. Applying a different technique to the same piece of art does not allow you to put it into your portfolio and say "It's mine, I did it!". Thankfully, there are laws NOW that prohibit you from doing that.

 

He didn't take $4M from Russ Heath. He took Russ Heath's art and claimed it as his own. I don't care if he did it for $5 or $5 million dollars - that makes him a Grade A Assclown.

 

People can have any opinion they want on art - that's what art is about. But defending an artist who's whole reputation and public persona is based on the fact he ripped off other creators and profited from it is really a sad thing to read.

 

Regardless of what his inspiration was, what effect it had on people or on pop art itself - no matter how you explain the work he created - the bottom line is that he ripped off other artists and kept his mouth shut about it while he was ascending to the top of the turd mountain that is Pop Art.

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There's a HUGE difference between Lichtenstein's work and Warhol's "Soup Cans".

Warhol was essentially holding up a product and calling it pop art. That's cool. But holding up someone else's art and calling it pop art without any kind of attribution, is douchbaggery.

I'm hoping that costume is his first makeshift one as depicted by Miller. If that's the series-long costume there's trouble looming in my mind.

I'm guessing it's going to be Miller's Man Without Fear's origin costume. I think it would be great if they worked that in!

 

That also means Stick and Elektra.

 

Stick is cast! Scott Glenn ... another superb choice: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/15/scott-glenn-to-play-stick-in-daredevil

Love Scott Glenn as Stick!

And Rosario Dawson is playing....(drumroll).... Clair Temple/Night Nurse.

I'm sure about the rest of you guys but once I finally saw the physical breakdown of who did what in the latter part of the Miller/Janson DD collaboration in the last Heritage auction (see link below), any concerns I may have had about Miller not touching the board were put to rest. It is funny that more of these 8.5x11 layout sheets haven't made it to market.

 

http://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/frank-miller-and-klaus-janson-daredevil-185-page-15-original-art-plus-sheet-of-miller-pencil-breakdowns-marv-total-2-original-art-/a/7097-92222.s

 

Mike Davis

I love this thread. As a Miller (and Janson) fan, this whole topic is

I think from the above pages from DD 185, it's pretty clear that Miller's art direction, his visual storytelling, goes way beyond the thumbnail/squiggle stage. It doesn't matter to me that the OA might not be rendered by Miller when it's basically a translation of his 8.5" x 11" layout sheet. At that point it becomes Miller's brain, his vision, with someone else's wrists doing the final art and ink (not at knock on Janson, whom I love).

Miller is the visual storyteller, like Spielberg. The inker is the cinematographer--they bring their own special, technical expertise, but it's Miller's vision which gets remembered.

Jamie

Great book. Great packaging. Great communication. Thanks again!

And then Matter Eater Lad needs his own spin-off.

Fatal Five all the way!

Wonder Woman

 

I went back to look at this photo, and really think Snyder may have made a wise decision with his actress choice. She may not be this super-curvy women that fits the stereotype of Wonder Woman, but rather an extremely slim, athletic representation. If her acting matches the quality of this costume design, we are going to have a huge hit come 2016.

 

And I guess the athletic look is working for more than just DC.

 

+1 All in on this one now.

And when you combine the two...

Very excited about this one!

 

This is the book that was on sale the month I was born! Only need two more (#163 and #165) for a full 9.8 Run!

 

I've been to Norway twice. There are some really cool comic artists over there. Wish I could read Norwegian

Those are awesome

Great transaction. Great seller. Great comic. Thanks G!

Awesome!! Thanks for sharing!

I'm with you Chris, I don't get the appeal with Strange.

 

To each their own but I thought the Dr. Strange issues with Frank Brunner were some of the best comics I've ever read!

Dr. Strange is one my favorite comic books to read.

Bring on the movie! I can't wait.

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I've always thought the Dr. Strange origin story is one of Marvel's best.

Saw it for the second time. Loved it, not as much for the movie itself, which I thought was really good, but because they managed to un-jump the shark and the mess that was made with X3.

My only gripe is that there are always these characters who appear, fight, die, whatever, and forget character development, the actors don't even get lines.

That bums me out...