Bronty

Took you 10 years, but you ground me down on that point, I concede!

Anyways, as another friend said, it will sell for some massive number because heritage will have thought through all the possibilities . That's the bottom line.

It sure is

Why the confused notification? I called you on it because you're spinning bats 251 into this post hoc masterpiece. Its Joker, Bats, Adams. That simple. So if someone says with a straight face that the cover is about the composition and the rendering, I call that bluff amigo!

Some nice choices. There are a lot of classics to choose from.

Sure. And its the only Joker Adams cover I can recall, so its not like there's a better one. Batman, most notable bat artist, most notable villain, only cover that checks all those boxes.

I mean just call it what it is. Batman. Joker. Both facing front. Checklist is happy.

I knew that would pizz you off but I'm not going to let crepe like this fly (I mean seriously, are you touching yourself while writing that, writing the description on Heritage's behalf, or admiring a slave girl Boris? " I would disregard any "wonkiness" in the Batman figure and instead focus on the brilliant, memorable composition - the idea/concept, the angles, the menace in the Joker which cements the Batman franchise's image makeover from campy 1960s Adam West to the Dark Knight who battles truly psychotic/dangerous villains like The Joker (not the Cesar Romero version). I would disagree with the assessment that the actual rendering is secondary in this case; I think much of what is celebrated about this cover is the artistic merit, just not the figure rendering you are focused on."

Yeah but you tend to just judge things by their price tag and then reverse engineer their merit so I'll trust my own judgement

76 was always the most important /best of those books by a mile and it wasn't close, IMHO. Art is a different convo of course because the contents matter less (especially in this day and age) but I couldn't take 85 over 76 if it were half price.

227 is super cool for sure. I like tec 400 as well.

That's a fair point I guess.

Couldn’t agree less but it’s all good. IMO the render is nothing special for peak Adams and the value is all in the batman/joker 'checklisting'. "I would disregard any "wonkiness" in the Batman figure and instead focus on the brilliant, memorable composition - the idea/concept, the angles, the menace in the Joker which cements the Batman franchise's image makeover from campy 1960s Adam West to the Dark Knight who battles truly psychotic/dangerous villains like The Joker (not the Cesar Romero version). I would disagree with the assessment that the actual rendering is secondary in this case; I think much of what is celebrated about this cover is the artistic merit, just not the figure rendering you are focused on. "

^ that’s the approach I took (comparison to GL76) but figured Batman so people will over it up to 400. At 600,700, boy that feels insane to me hey , Batman, Joker, so maybe not. Agree that The cover is a bit wonky which is why I’ve personally never held the cover in as much esteem certain other Adams covers. Just goes to show the actual rendering is usually secondary.

600, really? That seems so steep to me. It will be an interesting auction though for sure .

Oh you’re kidding. Wow

If you have the right bidders then yes I agree but but you don’t always have the right bidders and nobody likes to pay 3, 5, 8 times a previous record no matter how much money they have. 5m or 10m, liquid, is no joke!

And if they can pay 5 they can pay 10? I don’t think that logic works. An extra 3m is still an extra 3m

I don’t want your “thanks” notification so much Chris, I want your pm saying you’re selling it to me way below fmv in consideration of my long standing appreciation for the piece

Bah you could have sold me that Stevens to partly recoup and live in a rat infested studio in the wrong part of town

Much appreciated

hahah! well, we all get old!

This is not my area but... I think part of the reason for strong results is that it’s a nice grouping of difficult material all for sale at once.

I think on the cardboard box era stuff the likelihood of any future scandal is very low because the box itself becomes damaged in the process of opening it. In other words, plastic wrap or no plastic wrap you can tell whether the game has been opened. Hard case stuff (genesis, ps1, etc) I'd put as slightly higher risk of issues one day but there are ways to tell with that stuff as well.

I think we are past demographic sweet spots on that material tbh but it’s really nice art.... I imagine an 50k HJ Ward painting presents an awful lot better than a 50k Joe Schmucklack Drekvengers cover, so the HJ Ward will have it’s fans