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I'm amazed that there Are 17 NO votes. I guess those people like getting ripped off and cheated in their daily lives While everyone has their own reasons for voting one way or the other I'm going to assume that most of the "NO" votes are not people saying that cadet did nothing wrong, but just that his actions (while wrong) are not HOS worthy. And to that I again return to the point... by not honoring the condition of the sales thread and the he went against the most basic principle of the marketplace, and as such I would not trust him to honor anyone's if it was posted in one of his sales threads. This isn't about trying to make things right with the initial (attempted) buyer. It's about keeping someone who's decided not to play by the marketplace rules out of the marketplace. This isnt someone who's a lazy shipper, or an over grader, or who refused a refund. It's someone who said; here's a book for sale, here are the conditions of the sale and the price. And when someone agreed to them he first tried to change the conditions of the sale, and then decided not to sell to someone who had a valid claim on the expected transaction. That to me is someone who should be on the HOS list. It's not about the ammount of money in dispute, its about the intent behind the actions. And his actions betrayed a complete lack of regard for the marketplace conventions. I'm glad he is a friend and a resource to others out there, and that others have had successful private transactions. And being on the HOS doesnt stop him from continuing to be on the boards, or to have his PM friends who he is helping connect for hard to find editions. But if he doesnt want to play by the marketplace rules, and his actions tell me he doesnt, and he shows such disregard for them, then he should not be in the marketplace. Thus why I think the HOS is the place to be for him. Its not about probation over a single transaction. Its about his disregard for the marketplace itself.

Gator, if FSU was 8-5 and headed for the Chick-Fil-A bowl, would the the Leon County prosecutor have charged him and passed on the autographed Bobby Bowden headshot, the replica Seminole head-dress, and the Bowl tickets? kids the lesson here is practice, practice, practice so that you can be in a position to have everyone in the county looking out for you to make sure you can win the big game for the local team. [disclaimer: all in jest, from a fellow gator fan, I think in jest, yeah probably, maybe} Money talks. Big boosters probably saw to that. Leon County is going to have some nice new Police cruisers in a few months.

Gator, if FSU was 8-5 and headed for the Chick-Fil-A bowl, would the the Leon County prosecutor have charged him and passed on the autographed Bobby Bowden headshot, the replica Seminole head-dress, and the Bowl tickets? kids the lesson here is practice, practice, practice so that you can be in a position to have everyone in the county looking out for you to make sure you can win the big game for the local team. [disclaimer: all in jest, from a fellow gator fan, I think in jest, yeah probably, maybe}

Does anyone have a link to that original back and forth or the sales thread that started it (the Cancer/Dying excuse one, not the most recent). I found where it was being quoted over in Copper/Modern, but couldnt find the original instance. maybe its been cadet-scrubbed?

I understand your perspective Hado, and I know HOS seems extreme, and should be used in those most egregious scenarios... but think about how our marketplace works. Its a social contract between internet strangers (often). Unless stated otherwise we all agree to sell books to each other via the typical conveyances of the . Thats the most basic of our marketplace protocol. He violated that. Thumbed his nose even at honoring an outright in a standard sales thread. If we let someone get a pass on abiding by the basic agreements of the marketplace, what are we saying? No one is socially bound to anything in the marketplace? While his act was done to a particular member, it was also done to the marketplace as a whole. And to me that's the egregious nature of it. While some of the HOS listees are there because of big dollar screwjobs, or repeated cheaters, I would say someone outright blows off the rules of the marketplace and shows no regret for doing so doesnt have a path to make things right. There's nothing from preventing him from participating in the message board as a whole, but the fact that he doesnt give two shakes about how the marketplace abides, to me, means he isnt welcome in the marketplace. And that's before even getting into his attempt to change his own sale thread rules, trying to make someone pay via paypal personal, etc etc...

Some proposed creative paths to resolution... OP can shove his *bleep* up his *bleep* and provide photos OP can set fire to his X-men one and mail the ashes.

Just for the records. Solarcadet X-Men #1 CGC 3.5 aborted sale to Spideyfein sales thread.. Link to SpideyFein's Complaint thread in CG The replacement sales thread by Solarcadet to try and complete a larger sale in lieu of the aborted sale

GA, I love Sci-Fi comics, and in GA that means Planet Comics and the EC lines.... but what are some of the other Sci-Fi titles/covers that you like that aren't the "top shlf" two I've already mentioned... (or you can just say "I dont go for Sci-Fi comics")

I think it may be best for the probation process to treat the two transactions (the Skottie SS and the Medina Sketch Op) seperately. The Skottie SS should certainly have been remedied by now. Just so you are following the standard PL protocols email him at the address he gave you (and send it in a PM as well) telling him you have nominated him for the Probation list due to the Skottie SS being neither delivered or refunded. Include a link to this thread: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7223850#Post7223850 and tell him that if he wants to address the matter to do it here, and he has 72 hours to do so or the process moves forward without any feedback/input from him. Regarding the Medina Sketch op, the lack of communication is concerning, but these ops can take a long time, and depend on the artist as much as the facilitator. In terms of requesting a refund, it may depend on if the money is in Menace's hands, or if its already moved into Medina's hands to secure the work that's been commissioned by you and others. If so it would be even tougher to get a refund. Since commission work is very different from straight sales transactions it may not be as simple as saying "I want out". Regardless of that part, Menace SHOULD be communicating better than the multi-month silences. But that's a matter for CGC to review and decide if they want him to retain his "facilitator" status, and that's not something we deliberate here in the PL. Again I'd address these independently with Menace. Dont want to see the simple Skottie SS issue mucked up with the more complicated Medina commission issue.

Weren't those comments made before the mid-season finale? they were made yesterday (monday) and the mid-season finale was shown on Sunday... so no. I see no comments to that effect from yesterday. oh whoops I misunderstood your post, I thought you were saying that Ccmp99's comment was before the finale aired... I understand what you meant. internet reading comprehension for me is a C minus at best.

Ratings do not necessarily equate to increased exposure. Ratings were up 15% vs the last December mid-season finale. While still increasing, they aren't increasing by the previous leaps and bounds (Last year's end of season finale ratings were a whopping 58% higher than the season 2 finale). Likely what we are seeing is two things. Ratings tabulations are a constantly shifting sand. I dont know if they've started including the +24hr DVR viewings in the ratings or not, but that could account for some of the increase, and regardless some of the new audience is probably shifted viewing from the "record it and watch it later" crowd moving to the "watch it live so the internet doesnt spoil it" mindset. Either way, unless there is something significant to expand the audience, and I dont think a second show on the same network really ADDS any audience (just gets the same eyes twice as much), I think we'll continue to see a nice 10% climb year over year. Now if there's a movie that does 200 million, or an actual zombie outbreak that drives people to watch the Walking Dead like its DIY Tv, then I could see big increases in viewership. Regardless, what do you think these transaction numbers mean: # of Walking Dead 9.8 sales (via GPA data) 2012: 92 2013: 113 (to date with December to go) Do more sales mean there are more buyers, or more sellers? In other words are people who were holding the Walking Dead selling them off at a higher rate than in previous years, or was there an increase in buyers here in Season 4? And the increased number of buyers helped drive the prices up? If you look at the month by month price growth 2012 vs 2013 you can see a few things: In 2012 there was growth in the off season (From April to October) leading up to the new premier. In 2013 it was very uneven with a 4 month dropoff after the finale (April thru July) with recovery in the two months leading up to the October release. In 2012 there was a dropoff after the premier (in Oct/Nov sales) with a rebound after the finale (December sales) In 2013 we mirrored the dropoff in October/November dropoff in sales (almost identically reverting to the previous July's average price), the question is... 1. will we see a December rebound like last year in the prices? 2. Will we see 2012's off season growth, 2013s plateau, or will we see prices fall off?

Weren't those comments made before the mid-season finale? they were made yesterday (monday) and the mid-season finale was shown on Sunday... so no.

no wait this one

So at this point the buyer has been refunded the price if the GFT 55 9.9, but the buyer still wants the book? Seems like its a simple case of Frank producing proof of the refund, which would close out the sub-issue, and return us to the main point of whether the buyer has sent payment for the books the seller delivered on.

can someone post the signs for a stroke? I think I may have just had one.

Least Efforted Sales Thread Ever for a 4 figure book. you can feel the passion for collecting and selling comics....

Matt I'm totally on your side on this. You have waited far too long for your merchadise after paying Bob. He has failed to follow through and be a good seller in terms of communication and responsiveness. But his addition to the HOS and/or PL will only restrict his ability to do marketplace sales here on the boards. And I dont think Bob has had a sales thread in a loooooooooooooong time (if ever). People can still buy and sell from him directly, via ebay or any other way. The one good thing is that the HOS list does warn others should they check here before entering into a transaction with him elsewhere, but that requires them to check here (or have one of these threads/posts pop up via a Google search). Im on board for HOS/PL for Bob (as we go thru the process), but I didnt want you to think it was a magic bullet for all of Bob's business...

So it was cracked and put back in the slab !!! What's the point? They still disclosed the restoration...

Karl was a great buyer. He paid promptly, communicated well and his risotto is some of the best in the world. I tried to convince him to teach me his secret when I visited him, but he only laughed while patting a well worn cook book that looked like it had been handed down for generations. I was not proud of the fact that later that night I snuck back into his house via the garden transom and a series of connected rain pipes, but I had to know what made that meal so unforgettable. Making my way back to the kitchen (luckily Karl and his family are sound sleepers) I shuffled thru the stack of papers and found my target. The dusty (was that flour?) cover revealed a family crest and a small clasp which I pried open using one of the kitchen's butcher knives. Folks I dont know how to explain what I saw inside that book. While expecting to see simple hand written recipes, or betty crocker cutouts, I found myself staring into madness. Pages of charcoal smears showing anatomical notations on butchering methods (oh god please let these all be pictures of animals). There were 4 consecutive pages that were nothing but densely scrawled line after line of numbers in no seeming order. There were poleroids from decades past, but despite their age I recognized them to be from this neighborhood I had driven through on the way to Karl's house. Arrows and circles noting SOMETHING about the photos, who's intent I'd rather not know. There were recipes eventually but for things with names I'd never heard and ingredients that I'd never seen on a grocer's shelf. Trying to calm my racing pulse, I closed the book, re-latched the clasp and made my way back down the hallway, freezing as the floorboard creaked under my weight in one spot. Back out the side window, down the rain gutter and transom and once my feet touched the ground I broke into a full sprint to my car parked just down the street. Safe in the confines of my rental I fumbled the keys into the ignition and made my hasty get away into the night. I dont know what the intent was for that evil book, but I knew I'd NEVER be accepting an invitation to Karl's house for a meal out of fear of what I'd be eating, or that I'd be the one being eaten. But when it comes to comic books I have no reservations about selling him plenty of high dollar books any day of the week. Sell to him with confidence. (thumbs u

Are the Atlas Sci-Fi books Speed Carter Spaceman rare, or just rarely slabbed?

Vanilla Ice has still never rapped about Walking Dead. Until then there is no comparison...

[quote=thehumantorch... Now Matthew is a member and a new agreement to ship the books within a month has been agreed on via Bob's spokesman Mitch. In 1 month, if the books haven't arrived, would this not qualify as a probation worthy transaction between board members? this is a spot on application of the rules and their intent. Know what I love? People talked through this topic here in the Probation discussion thread, took rational and well thought opposing sides and posited opinions all without calling names, creating memes and letting the talk degrade into uselessness. come on in everyone! Group hug!

Where was this sale? Last Ebay sale was $1825.00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-WALKING-DEAD-1-CGC-9-8-GRADED-IMAGE-COMIC-BOOK-WHITE-PAGES-1ST-PRINT-2003-/161151953561?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258567aa99&nma=true&si=w6gxsxj8QTth0ZCLGp8oQvHCttg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 i'd ask George if i truly cared, could even be bad input. true, I think it's happened before... can you imagine the Walking Dead market crashing cause ebay's database has an error?

must have been a non-ebay sale... GPA reports more than just ebay. Some dealer might have cut price to get some cash generated? Irony is a CGC 9.6 sold last night for just $20 LESS than the 9.8!!!!!!