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DC Comics needs to do the actual important things Marvel did to succeed: 1.) Cast young upcoming stars based on their acting ability (not just looks like in the US, the more British/Aussie, etc, the better) 2.) Stick to the comics, ie Superman doesnt kill, have affairs, babies out of wedlock, etc.... 3.) Tell a good STORY from popular arcs. ie Stephenwolf and the bug army is not is not a famous DC story loved by fans 4.) People have to care about the characters, dont rush them on to the screen, take time, build hype, get audience buy in. Nobody cried for a dead superman, and nobody cared when he returned. I can tell you right now, when they kill Ironman, Vision, Captain America, etc in Avengers, a lot of people are going to care a lot. Anyone 16-19, essentially grew up with MCU characters as their heros, toys, halloween costumes, etc.

isnt all of that in England and India, etc. Not the US, where Anti-Trust would be an issue.

If any of the major networks tried to buy another major network, it would be blocked because there are already so few and it is seen as monopolistic. This is why Disney would never have been allowed to buy the Fox Sports and Fox News portions of Fox, as they already own ABC. Also, that is why the AT&T/Time Warner deal was told to either sell DirectTV or TurnerBroadcasting, aka AT&T can't end up owning both. (Often mis-reported in the bias'd press as, having to "sell CNN", Turner owns CNN), Because the satellite and cable networks are viewed as "overlapping" directly with each other.

my reference was about not wanting politics injected into entertainment like Star Wars, which is a little different than where the discussion started to head. but fair point nonetheless, and agreed.

politics is not allowed on this board, you are going to get this thread shut down. And, as I already said, there was never an attempt to include News and Sports in the US, as Disney already owns ABC, and such a deal would immediately be blocked on anti-trust laws.

yah, this thread is accelerating to forbidden territory of politics quickly. You do know Ailes can't make money cause he is DEAD right? The reason Disney/Fox isnt an anti-trust issue, is because they are leaving news and sports out of the deal, (Disney owns ABC), otherwise it would get blocked for sure.

If you think having another star wars movie with the original cast reappearing, "making money", is due to her you are sadly mistaken. Star Wars will always make lots of money. But letting people with agendas run properties will always lead to quality and success limitations. Anyone who thinks its important to check off a gender and race checklist, rather than make the best movie possible, is not someone who should be in charge. The end result, regardless of the audience drawing power of the product (Star Wars), will always be less than it could have been. One of the reasons MCU has done so well is they have resisted the loonie left's pressures, and stuck to the original material for the most part, succumbing only on a few supporting characters. Now, having successfully recreated the comics on the big screen, REAL diverse characters, true to their source material (black panther, captain marvel), can also succeed spectacularly. While forced fake diversity attempts elsewhere continue to fail royally. If Star Wars' relaunch of movies, solo films, and live action TV, does ever start to stagnate or falter, it will with certainty be because people like Kathleen Kennedy were focusing on agendas and politics, and not making the best product possible for the fans.

Dangerous priorities, anyone pushing identity politics into entertainment needs to be perma-banned from life.

Just imagine after credits of A4, wanda back at home, looking sad cause Vision is gone, and turns to see Fassbender standing in the doorway. "Dad?" cut to black

I think they convince Jackman to play a multi-verse displaced Old Man Logan, (grab at the log scene from Logan), concurrent with a new young actor to play wolverine. He can be a mentor, get the audience hyped, but not have to get in such shape, nor have to make such big time commitments to just do supporting cameo type roles.

I believe they were already planning to do this, as "No More Superheroes" at some point. Wanda is definitely going to be big in phase 4. With A4 having to rebuild the destroyed universe, it wont be hard to have x-men and FF be part of it. I think they add them in slowly. Do something like have Fassbender show up as Wanda's Father in a after credits stinger, etc. Do the illuminati and have Charles and Reed meeting with them, etc

Disney has shown with Marvel and Star Wars they won't ruin properties, but allow them significant autonomy to continue producing quality material, but obviously within certain overall rules/goals. 20 years ago I would have been concerned, but Disney of today has shown, EXCEPTIONALLY good oversight in not wrecking or changing the high-end IP that they acquire. Marvel purchase and results alone should assuage anyone with such fears.

My thread on this subject was actual first and before this one everyone is posting in, but at 12 pages, no point in re-bumping my old one... Glad to see they have managed to make it happen. Hopefully Marvel will stop the intentional sabotage of FF and X-Men comics, so not only do we get MCU X-men and FF, we get great X-Men comics again. Combined with the new and improved SJW-fixing moves in the comic space(legacy, firing alonso, etc), I think the next year or two for Marvel comics is going to be amazing.

Wrong. A badly written film cant be saved by Snyder. Further, It's not RDJ in a movie that makes it good, its RDJ as Tony Stark that is brilliant. If Dwayne Johnson was Tony Stark, neither good writing nor directing could save it. A director can only make lemonade from lemons. Casting and writing are the lemons, if you start with turnips, your lemonade is going to end up as turnip juice, no matter how good the juice maker is...

If you look at what happened with Ant-man its a good overview of the limits. They are willing to let a director do his things, but they still have final oversite and say, and will pull you if you dont work within the rules.

directors are important, I agree Casting is the most important Writing is second Directing third. The day it was announced the RDJ was cast as Tony Stark, I remember spazzing at my girlfriend (now wife), about how "it was the best choice ever, he basically is Tony Stark, this movie will be great I cant wait for it to come out". If RDJ wasnt cast as Tony Stark, there wouldnt be any Marvel Studios by now, Disney wouldnt have bought them, etc. Marvel was willing to re-cast Hulk as Ruffalo. They cast Chris Evans, despite having been Johnny Storm. They cast Hemmsworth and Hiddleston and they become huge stars. They cast Chris Pratt as an action hero, despite everyone only knowing him as a chubby goofball. and so on. Marvel's casting and writing (sticking to the comicbooks) allows good Directors to make good films. Now at this point every actor,writer,director wants to be involved, and they can pick whom they like. But they still focus on casting. Spider-man and Black Panther are great examples of how they are still doing it. Casting is King with Writing and Directing obviously vital as well. It's no accident that the DC stuff that does best or is received the best, are the things that involve new, young, upcoming actors (Gal Gadot, etc). DC can right the ship, but they need to do it on the back of Aquaman and Flash, and get Ben Affleck outta there.

I honestly believe the executives at the top of WB/DC basically think/thought this" 1.) Our Heroes (Superman & Batman) are better and more famous than the ones Marvel is making big bucks with. 2.) Superhero movies are a fad, we need to get our team-up movie out there ASAP because we dont want to miss the boat. The problem is, despite what so many think, Marvel isnt really producing "superhero" movies, they are producing movies, with super heroes in them. Their goal is to ultimately be putting out movies in every genre, that happen to have comic characters in them. Winter Solider - Spy Drama Guardians - Space Opera Ant-man - Heist Movie Dr. Strange - Fantasy Thor: Ragnarok - Road Trip/Buddy movie If you include things like the Fox movies, you have New Mutants coming out as a Horror Flick, Deadpool is basically Action Comedy, etc etc etc DC's biggest problem in my opinion is trying to rush things. They need to focus on making GOOD movies first and foremost, and letting everything else develop. It doesnt have to be the "Marvel formula", but they need to make REALLY good movies, that happen to have comic book characters in them. Wonder Woman is probably the only one so far that meets that standard, and its universally respected, (even there they almost went off the rails pushing lefty feminist garbage, you dont need patriarchy bashing jokes and quips, when your female hero is a complete badass, just let her show it with actions). I think with Flash and Aquaman DC has the chance to make two really good movies. Both fit my pattern, of lead actors who arent yet Mega Stars. Casting and Writing are what made the Marvel movies so good. From this point forward DC needs to focus on young upcoming actors, and top tier writing. Every movie cant be just a Transformers-like action flick. It doesnt matter if its "dark and serious" or "light and full of one liners". Just make it GOOD, with emotional buy in for the audience and real stakes and a relate-able villain. Personally, I still think they need to use Flash's movie to do some reality bending ret-con of Batman to make him a young actor.

Very good further point on Affleck, I didnt even touch on that part of the problem with him. One of my roomates in late 90s was a rich guy from Montreal who's older sister and her friends (models I think), partied a ton with Ben Affleck and his buddies. This was in Montreal in the late 90s when he was working on films there, and even at that time there were lots and lots of stories, rumors, etc. , some of which the sister witnessed herself. I am not going to post anything specific here, but believe me, his past is not good and filled with many skeletons. DC needs to dump him ASAP

imo Superman should have been used as the DC Nick Fury, not Batman. Would make more sense, would have given more time between Bale and the DCEU Batman, and then HE(Batman) could have been the badass big reveal in JL. He needs to be a young actor, about the same age as Gal Gadot, someone with oodles of acting chops and not yet Super Famous. DC/WB has tried to rush everything, and is doing disservice to their fans and characters. Absolutely no big name actors should be used for main characters (ie Will Smith, Ben Affleck, etc) Affleck needs to go ASAP. I say use Flash/Flashpoint to Retcon all the weak/bad stuff out, and right the ship. No reboots, have an aggressive alternate reality merging hard retcon, with emotional buy in for the fans. Id' say just kill this Batman/Affleck, and bring in a young Bruce Wayne from an Alternate reality, and retcon "our" reality so Bruce Wayne is that age here too, and have Old Bruce/Batfleck make a noble sacrifice and gtfo. Wonder Woman is the only truly strong Film to date, and all future movies need to be strong self sufficient films like that.

The Marvel rights arent the reason, just an added bonus. Disney wants to start its own major streaming service, and they want as much content for it as possible, hence buying fox.

Let's go Disney, Unite the clans, UNITE US (Braveheart quote ) FF and X-Men back in the MCU if this goes down, X-Men comics no longer being dumped on? Let's go!

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-century-fox-has-been-holding-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html

I am not "having a hard time" with anything. People are free to pay whatever price they want for whatever book they want. But just because some people will do something, doesnt make it a good decision. Many people on these boards are willing to drink the kool-aid on books they own(or worse ones they want to pump), at the expense of giving terrible advice to inexperienced newer people to the hobby who will end up holding the bag in the end. I am JUST as free to say, "thats too much for that book" as others are to say "oh, black cover, cant find it on ebay, great artwork, blah blah blah". So if you think a non-key book from a main line title of a big two series, printed this decade, is worth $500 in 9.8, go get it champ, more power to you. I owned it the entire time it has been rising, paid sub-cover, and made a massive payday selling it, and if I had more I'd sell them all for massive profits too. But dont think for a second if I want to warn other people asking if paying $500 for it is a good idea, that I am going to be squelched. Before the current bubble got really going, people used to have good debates on here from both sides of the argument (I lurked here for many many years before joining the conversation), nowadays its just cheerleading or everyone screaming REEEEEeeeeeee if you dare disagree.

a lot of that is for if you are going to have credit with them, ie could go bankrupt and not pay up. You also are showing that you can make the monthly minimum purchases.