pemart1966

Could be a rejected/unused cover...

Let's see....0 feedback seller trying to sell a $90,000 book...

On 4/12/2024 at 7:31 PM, DrPauly said:

Would love to know  where to have a direct line to ask them lol.

"Newbie Comic Collecting Questions" at the top of the main page.

eBay will find some way to ball this all up...

On 9/27/2023 at 9:12 AM, Pukie said:

Hello - I tried to search for general information on this topic but did not find anything.  I am looking for general information and discussion from collectors of Non-Sports Trading Cards from the 1960's era such as Batman, Marvel, Outer Limits, Lost In Space, etc.  

- Does CGC grade these types of cards?  If not, is there a company with best reputation in the industry and among collectors that does this?

- Is there a forum somewhere to get opinion's on the grade of a card?   

- Or a marketplace for selling/ buying these type of cards?

Thank you.

Right up my alley so let's discuss!  We may be the only two doing so but let's see what happens.  Fire away!

On 4/1/2024 at 12:25 AM, Hepcat said:

Not only that but Comicpacs weren't actually a savings for kids. In most jurisdictions a fellow could buy a 12 cent comic without paying any sales tax but a bag of comics at 47 cents was probably a different matter.

Good point - as a kid, I never paid sales tax though, as all of my purchases were $.25 or less. 

On 3/31/2024 at 11:49 AM, Hepcat said:

By 1967 the cardboard header had been eliminated. What you got instead was a coloured part of the bag above a heat sealed lower bag.

DC though wasn't really trying to lure comic buying kids with those Comicpacs. What DC was attempting to do was expand distribution of their comics into non-traditional outlets such as K-Mart stores and supermarkets thereby targetting adults and enticing them to buy bags of comics for their kids and grandkids. And the effort must have been successful since the promotion was repeated for years and copied by other comic publishers including Marvel, Gold Key and Harvey.

Here's an article I just found going into more detail on the points I mentioned:

http://www.wymann.info/comics/027-Comicpac60s70s.html

Makes sense because no kid would have bought those.  Money was hard to come by (used pop bottles mostly were my source of comic purchasing money) - 47 cents was BIG BREAD - almost the cost of 2 giants/annuals!.  Ala kart was the way to go - you could select the titles that you wanted and didn't get stuck with unwanted titles.

On 3/28/2024 at 5:52 PM, brainbats said:

Kirby's dialogue may have been stilted, but don't forget he did most of the plotting on the Marvel books he worked on.  

He should have stuck to the plotting...

I remember the ones from '67.  Same deal - 4 for 47 cents.  You saved a whopping 1 cent off of cover if you bought the pac but what was the incentive?  You would end up with 1 or 2 that you didn't want so much better to buy a la carte.

Here in Ottawa, I only saw them for sale at K-Mart.  I can't remember them any where else.  Certainly my local corner store, where I bought all of my comics, never had them.

I remember a number of Batmans and Justice Leagues from '67 in those packs but it was just the 12 cent ones - never any of the giants.

On 3/28/2024 at 3:46 PM, sfcityduck said:

I have heard of the "Pay Copy" of MC 1 which is a Nov. copy. But I have seen "checking copy" stamped on other GA comics.

Right, BUT Vintage_Paper specifically referenced the MARVEL COMICS #1 CHECKING copy which I've never seen or heard of.  

When the Pay Copy surfaced, I don't recall any mention of a CHECKING copy.  So the question remains - has anyone seen or heard of it?

On 3/28/2024 at 12:10 PM, Vintage_Paper said:

What I mean by 'checking copy' is the copy that was used to verify if corrections needed to be made before they ran the whole print run. I'm not a Marvel Comics 1 guy so I don't recall the exact details, but I'm pretty sure the checking copy is different copy from the Pay Copy. You would have to ask Vincent what he remembers.

 

Never heard of the "checking copy" but would like too...anyone else heard of it?  

On 3/27/2024 at 12:54 PM, Rick2you2 said:

Did Kirby create any dialog of note that wasn’t bad? 
Artists aren’t hired to be writers, and with some well know exceptions that is probably a good idea. Adam’s efforts as a writer weren’t too hot as I recall. His Deadman series was awful.

No - he didn't.

On 3/27/2024 at 5:54 PM, Vintage_Paper said:

I believe even if the top corner of the cover is missing you can identify the version by the indicia on the inside front cover. The November copies have a black rectangle over the word October and possibly the word November was also added to it. I'm not a Marvel Comics 1 guy - just trying to recall when what I saw a few decades ago.

Also worth noting is Vincent Z. had access to the checking copy of Marvel Comics 1 and he compared it to an October printing to see if there were any changes brought about during the checking process. He did not see any difference between the two.

Not too sure what you mean by "checking copy".  Do you mean the "Pay Copy"?

On 3/27/2024 at 1:45 AM, sfcityduck said:

I think it is will be just like MC 1 Oct. and Nov. copies.  The highest graded is a Nov. and that will trump all others. But, an Oct. copy is likely to have more value than an equivalent Nov., right?

Absolutely!

On 3/24/2024 at 10:34 PM, Aman619 said:

1.  Superman #1 first print was released.  Sales data was collected and it was determined that it was a runaway hit.  

not sure we can count on this step because its been widely accepted that the sales reports took at least 2-3 months to be collected and reported to publishers.  We've all accepted the stories that thats why Superman wasn't on the cover of Action again until issue #7, right?  And even 20 years later DC waits months to see if their premieres in Showcase did well enough to get their own books.  However, It can also be true that just by visiting newsstands in NYC and asking a few questions, that the DC execs could learn that the copies sold out quickly and then get on the phone and call other cities perhaps.  Then they could gamble on getting more copies out there.

So I think Im agreeing with you while quibbling about saying "sales reports" in their traditional sense being a reason for reprinting Superman 1.  They weren't fast enough back then.

 

 

Some sort of sales information must have triggered the 2nd and 3rd printing.  They weren't just done on a whim...

According to GCD, Superman #1 went on sale May 18, 1939.  This would have been the 500,000 run I assume.

Superman #2 went on sale August 19, 1939 (no mention of a second print run that I could see).  That's almost 3 months to the day.

So during that 3 months:

1.  Superman #1 first print was released.  Sales data was collected and it was determined that it was a runaway hit.  

2.  A second shorter run was issued with slight changes  Sales data was collected and It too was a sell out or close to it.

3.  An even shorter third print run was issued with slight changes.  Sales data was collected...and by that time nearly 1 million copies had been printed and it was time for Superman #2 to be printed and distributed.

I would have loved to see how that communication chain ran considering it was 1939.

On 3/22/2024 at 1:06 PM, action1kid said:

I wouldn’t want to pay the tax on that on NY.

I COULDN"T afford to pay the tax ANYWHERE...

We've gone from 8.0 Off white to 8.5 Off white to white...well, since this is an auction, "Do I hear 9.0 and white?????"

On 3/14/2024 at 10:35 PM, DrPauly said:

yes the amount of damage done vs the amount of grade that would be left over is an issue.  Also since the cover was cleaned I'm guessing you cant undo that.

If I had cgc do it would they let that cover cleaning slide?

Don't know - but you can ask CGC on these boards somewhere.

On 3/11/2024 at 1:36 PM, Twanj said:

UPS delivered my last shipment from the UK to my neighbor 10 houses down. Had to knock on most doors on the street to get it back luckily!

UPS is atrocious.  

On 3/7/2024 at 11:43 AM, KirbyJack said:

I disagree. I think what we have here goes beyond initials and stamps. Most concerning to me is the marker. It might get a 4.0 (I strongly doubt it), but I expect that potential buyers would not value it that high.   

Structure aside, this is a low grade book. The good news is; lots of people like low grade books.

...and has the marker bled through?

On 3/10/2024 at 8:49 AM, DrPauly said:

If I had the restoration removed would a conserved possibly go for more?

You risk having damage done to the book.

On 3/7/2024 at 4:44 PM, Robot Man said:

You gotta go to Brimfield before you die. A week long extravaganza of flea markets. Probably the biggest in the country. I haven’t been since Covid but it used to be the place you walk around with your wallet in your hand.

If I'm walking with my wallet in my hand it usually means that I'm afraid I'm going to be pick pocketed 

On 7/8/2023 at 1:07 AM, Drgoldage said:

Another Buster Brown early platinum age 

Do these collect the strips or do they contain brand new art?

On 7/11/2023 at 9:27 PM, MrBedrock said:

How many is an accumulation?

According to my wife - one.