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Ironmandrd
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That CAF listing is recent. Wasn’t there at time in question.
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FWIW, I have purchased a number of lower priced pieces and higher priced splashes/covers from Spencer, in person and over email, and never had any issues.
The commission business can be tough on all three sides (artist, artist rep and collector). And communication is KEY. As we all know, there are a lot of unhappy/unfortunate stories, for a variety of reasons. And with George Perez any normal issues are magnified given his health issues and that he only has time for a limited number of commissions each year etc..
I'm also sorry the OP is having severe financial issues. That must really be rough.**
BUT . . . even if there was some miscommunication in the early email exchange (and I have to give the slight benefit of the doubt there to Spencer based on OP's writing style here but even moreso that OP sent Spencer a sample of what he was looking for - usually a sign you are moving forward)---once OP received an invoice, at that moment the responsibility would have shifted to OP to clear up the issue and put a stop to it.
When you get a bill in the mail for something you didn't order, you don't stick it in a drawer--you contact the sender and say "I didn't order this" or here "Sorry Spencer for the miscommunication but I wasn't ready to move forward. I hope George hasn't started on the commission, etc. . . ." I pulled up an old invoice from Spencer I had handy in an email and it had real invoice type language and did not look ambiguous. It had language about the total amount due, plus shipping options and charges, what payment is acceptable, where to send payment, etc. etc.
I also agree with several prior comments that I don't see what is accomplished by this thread (except as a caveat or lesson for others which could have been communicated without naming Spencer).
My 2 cents.
**unfortunately one also cannot help think why someone who is that close to potentially having financial issues would be looking to order a $700 commission.
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I heard it was two estates - the Aparo person and another estate.
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That link no longer works. What was it?
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From another perspective: Much of the 70/80s covers I own (and at least one key splash) were all CAF NFS or hidden away NFS in vault collections, often taking years to eventually acquire. Sometimes by well above market cash offers and other times by locating, buying and trading to them key wants of theirs--including Romita Sr. ASM covers). Routinely these efforts took 2-4 years, with many longer and the longest being almost 8 years (yes I really wanted that piece
). Every once in a while it happened quickly because my timing was lucky and I asked the person at an opportune time for them to consider selling when they hadn't before.
So to me as long as it's done politely/gentlemanly I don't see anything wrong with contacting collectors about NFS pieces (and neither did all those NFS sellers). And I agree that you cannot contact someone about their NFS piece and then ask them to put a price on it.
Lastly, of course there were some NFS collectors that didn't want to even entertain the possibility and so I just moved on.
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I've bought mylars and boards from Bill Cole Enterprises (BCE) and Blue Line Pro. Gerber does not seem to have the same variety of mylar sizes for art as either BCE or Blue Line and also does not seem to sell any backing boards for art.
As an aside, I cannot say definitively but I don't believe BCE gets their supply from Gerber.
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One difference between live bidding vs extended bidding is that extended bidding gives more time for the other bidder(s) to decide to bid higher where with live bidding you have much less time to make a decision. Regarding pieces I have posted on CAF that I won in a HA auction, I have been contacted at least 5-10 times with sentiments such as "I was really thinking of bidding higher on this piece but the lot closed before I could pull the trigger on another bid and now I really regret not bidding higher." On the flip side, live bidding can leave to a feeding frenzy of bids where if bidders had more time to think they may not have kept bidding higher and higher.
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I’m going.
Daren
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2 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said:
I offered 15k... I guess I am one of the thiefs ?
ooohhh. Thanks for clearing that up. So OP meant "steal" it as get it for a heavy discount under his perceived FMV of $50k. Not a good use of the "steal."
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43 minutes ago, jgallo said:
The few messages I got were IMO from people looking to steal the art or were asking from curiosity sake alone.
James G
I don't get this. How were messages intended to steal the art? Did they ask you to agree to ship it to them after they only put an installment payment on it and they would pay the rest over time?
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To me these prices seem reasonable to a bit low for the Cloak and Dagger. These are 1987 covers by a known artist, even if the characters/titles are not A listers.
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I don't know--on a number of pieces I am seeing less movement than in prior auctions--usually there are incremental bids and/or small jumps during the days leading up.
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I generally was not a big fan of JB's own inks (with some exceptions like Av #49-#50). They were too "wispy"* at times and generally not weighty enough for my tastes.
I like Palmer first, then Sinnott/Klein tied for second and with a carve out for Conan -- which would be (when they weren't too overpowering) Chan and then Alcala.
Sal B gets an honorable mention.**
An interesting side note is Cockrum but the sampling is too small ---he only inked two issues of Avengers over JB pencils (Avengers #124 & #125) but they are both quite nice (if a bit overpowering in a few places). I don't recall other times that Cockrum inked JB.
When I think of JB doing Iron Man, I think an interesting combination that I would have liked to have seen in the early to mid 80s would have been Layton inks on JB's pencils or pencil layouts (either the tighter or looser version)--just to see Layton make JB's IM more metallic while still keeping JB's fluidity of movement/posture.
Maybe the worst inker on JB pencils--Don Heck (he basically ruined Avengers #121 which I thought even as a kid reading those Avengers back issues).
*Sorry Gene for borrowing your word but it is the first word that I think of.
**Sal told me in at a NYC con maybe 15 years ago that he always really enjoyed inking his brother (and IIRC that JB liked Sal's inks).
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4 minutes ago, lobrac said:
The Black Panther effect. Well timed consignment!
Acknowledged--and right, smart choice on timing--but I still didn't think it would top $10k
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A bit surprised the Avengers #52 page went for as high as $12k. Nice page but that's probably a record for a non-splash from that period of JB Avengers (other than Avengers #57-#58)
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29 minutes ago, jabats said:
Very happy to win my first "published" piece by Frank Cho. Harley Quinn #15 variant cover (oversized, on 17x22).
Fingers crossed for one more upcoming lot.
Nice pick-up. Stupid questions--who's behind the door?
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1 minute ago, stinkininkin said:
There are some Antman inside the Vision pages from Avengers 93 I'd like to get my hands on.
Yup--Avengers #93 has some real gems throughout.
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I hope more Adams Avengers pages come out - still waiting for my favorite pages.
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In some cases I've called eBay and given my complaint over the phone. They politely listen and are non-committal and all they'll say is that they'll look into it. In one instant, I was the prior owner of a piece that was listed as being pencils and ink when I knew it was only inks (and I knew who had the pencil version)--not surprising eBay shared none of my concern and outrage and of course that listing stayed on (even after I reported it again through the normal report an item system). Other times I've given them 3rd party links that and pics to evidence a fake--nada.
Right they don't have the man-power, knowledge/experience or desire -- they'd rather deal with the much less frequent complaining buyer than the frequent reports (and likely they self-justify by believing that they don't have enough unambiguous/objective/concrete evidence to take down a listing and so it's not fair to sellers).
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22 hours ago, vodou said:
Been thinking about this, as I noticed the same thing on what I'm interested in - across the board, at/over fmv already. Maybe it's price discovery push (and lot elimination?) to free up bidding funds for HA which ends this week?
1 hour ago, F For Fake said:That makes sense. Something is definitely happening. I'll be curious to see if most of it just levels off now, and if this means there isn't a big push at the very end.
You folks are looking at different pieces than I am --I see a lot of well-undermarket prices.
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14 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:
When it comes to OA, I don't claim to know a forgery from a non-forgery. But, I do know that allowing something which you think is a forgery to be potentially sold on eBay to an innocent prospective buyer isn't right.
If you really think this is a forgery, someone here should give the facts to eBay and let them make their decision about whether it should be removed. Give facts, not generic opinions, saying why you think it is a fake. Maybe the Powers-That-Be at eBay will disagree and let the seller keep up the listing. But if so, you've done the right thing by bringing it to their attention.
Sorry for the lecture, but I was bothered by this.
Is this supposed to be a criticism of Boardies who supposedly do nothing or not enough? If so, you are way off base--folks on here regularly report fake or fraudulent eBay listings to eBay. I think maybe once or twice eBay has done something versus the hundreds and more of reports they have received from all of us.
13 hours ago, CartoonFanboy said:You'll find that people around here report suspected forgeries to ebay all the time, and ebay in return does nothing. I can't count how many times I've reported items that were clearly fake only to see the auction stay active.
If this really does bother you to the point that you need to shame someone, I would recommend that you start with the "Powers-That-Be" at ebay.
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On 2/20/2018 at 4:24 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:
I don't think UXM #266 is an appropriate comparison, as that's a big splash featuring Gambit, or TOD #10 which also features a huge Blade. This is more akin to Iron man #55, with a tiny, Drax in the background.
Drax is not that tiny--and also has two dialogue blurbs on the cover so he's not hidden in the background.
). Every once in a while it happened quickly because my timing was lucky and I asked the person at an opportune time for them to consider selling when they hadn't before.
I don't get this. How were messages intended to steal the art? Did they ask you to agree to ship it to them after they only put an installment payment on it and they would pay the rest over time?
HA May Auction, lots of great art !
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Isn't his prime period very late 60s to the end of John Buscema's run on Avengers in 1989 (and some of those second run JB/Palmer Avengers issues are not quite as strong).