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Call me stupid, but what is VH1 and VE1?

 

I think Harbinger will always be a key book, but I don't think it will have much legs. Once the people who collected Valiants in the early 90s are no longer collecting comics, I don't see there being much of a replacement consumer.

 

What about people collecting the new Valiant???

 

And you could say the same about many comics.

 

What about stuff like "Bone"??? Very limited scope, as it's just one (or two?) self-contained series. But it still gets money and accolades.

 

Just depends on rarity, quality, etc.

 

Same with the Turtles. They died off, now they're back. Even if they weren't, you'd still get collectors.

 

You can't compare Harbinger to the Turtles or even Bone.

 

The Turtles have been in movies, cartoons, comics, toys, pretty much nonstop for nearly 30 years. The are constantly creating new fans, young fans.

 

Bone, while not as popular as the Turtles, has been reprinted countless times by a very large non-comic publisher -- Scholastic. There are a ridiculous number of copies of those in print, numbers that dwarf Harbinger's numbers. Also, the first printing of Bone #1 was much, much smaller than Harbinger, and is legitimately much harder to find.

 

Harbinger was a short-lived series that at one time was incredibly popular. The first issue may be a top-20 modern book now, but I don't think it's going to last. The most recent sales through Diamond were under 10,000 copies, the 199th most ordered book that month.

I don't mean they're exactly the same. I was just trying to say that just because one group of collectors stops collecting something, that doesn't mean that no one else will start.

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Looking at the census numbers right now, out of the 717 copies of Harby #1 slabbed to date, 131 have come back at 9.8 (blue, green and yellow labels), which means a little over 18% of the slabbed copies have hit that grade. That number does not seem to indicate it is as tough to land in 9.8 (basically a 1 in 6 chance) as I thought it would be - I expected it to be in the 6-8% range due to the long known production issues.

If that number holds for the entire print run, then you are looking at 8000+ potential 9.8 candidates. Even if that rate is halved to 9% of the print run, that is still over 4000 copies in total as potential 9.8 books.

BUT... you have to take into account the fact that there may be a lot of copies that people think aren't good enough to submit.

If there's a lot sitting out there that would only get a 9.0, 8.0 etc, then they're never going to get submitted, and therfore this may be keeping that high 1:6 ratio going.

Plus, isn't there the coupon thing to consider??? How does that factor in? Is the WITH coupon one worth more (I THINK it is, if I remember correctly).

Many people may thinkg "Well, coupons not in, no point in submitting.

All this talk of Harbinger #1 is making me want to get mine slabbed.

Pff, no "music video channels" play music nor videos anymore.

 

 

 

 

-slym

The morning is good for music videos. A lot of time my wife and I will just watch like MuchMusic (i.e. Canadian MTV), MuchMoreMusic, or MusiquePlus (Quebec MTV, get to see some really goofy or non-manstream stuff,haha).

Gets the energy going in the morning, and keeps us hip with the times.

VH1 - the first VALIANT iteration

VH2 - when Acclaim took over

VEI - Valiant Entertainment Industries, the guys that put out the new Valiant books.

 

Such as, your line above should read "Once the people who collected VALIANTs in the early 90s are no longer collecting comics..."

 

Makes my using "VALIANT" and "Valiant" to differentiate the companies a little easier to accept, eh?

 

Eh??

 

 

 

 

-slym ( :: )

 

EH!

EH!

Call me stupid, but what is VH1 and VE1?

 

I think Harbinger will always be a key book, but I don't think it will have much legs. Once the people who collected Valiants in the early 90s are no longer collecting comics, I don't see there being much of a replacement consumer.

What about people collecting the new Valiant???

And you could say the same about many comics.

What about stuff like "Bone"??? Very limited scope, as it's just one (or two?) self-contained series. But it still gets money and accolades.

Just depends on rarity, quality, etc.

Same with the Turtles. They died off, now they're back. Even if they weren't, you'd still get collectors.

 

I don't think it's fair to say the variants are selling for more is right or wrong, the 1:50s are getting ridiculously hard to find. If I only have $50 or $100 to spend on a book, do I choose a high grade copy of a book I already own multiples of, or 1 or 2 variants that are extremely limited, just playing devil's advocate....I would also like to add that I think X-O and Harby VE1 is a lot better than their VH1 counterparts.

 

Harbinger in particular, is an amazing book, so for people questioning the quality of these books I really wonder what they're reading (I assume they're not).

Very true for the variant thing. Only so many to go around. Especially for the ones that are very limited, or the ones that are actually cool and in demand.

 

I think the Valiant book that should be on people's top 10 modern lists is VH1 X-O Manowar 1. The title outsold Harbinger back in the day (X-O Manowar was published for over a year after the original Harbinger title folded), it was one of the few titles revived by Acclaim (Harbinger did not make the cut), and is the top selling Valiant title for VEI.

1-About the wannabe X-Men thing, I mean, most Superhero comics are just copies of previous stuff. Not much you can do with them after so many years.

2-Regarding the Acclaim books, since there seems to be a few Valiant fans. Anyone know which Acclaim book had the first use of the Hip Flask character in a Comicraft advertisement??? I will be ETERNALLY grateful for this information. FYI Starkings couldn't even tell me. I just can't seem to find this info on the web.

I never got sucked into the Valiant 90's hype, though I bought Dr Solars & Magnus because I had some old ones as a kid. My BS detector went off back then when Wizard's "price guide" had every Valiant book listed at insane prices, all the while half the ads in their rag were for Valiant books.

Image was able to shed their '90's glut rep by doing top notch quality books, Valiant may have a ways to go to do the same IMO

Never picked up any Valiant as a kid (was around 10-12 at the time), just Marvel.

I did pick up X-O Manowar when it relaunched, though, based on the premis of the book. Thought it looked interesting, and am glad I did. It's pretty good.

Picked up Harbinger, Bloodshot, and Shadowman as well. (to read, plus as a bit of speculation).

I've kept Harbinger (have read maybe first 6 issues).

Read the first 2 issues of the others, and just haven't got around to the rest. I ended up cutting them for budget reasons. They weren't bad though, but only so much Moo-La to go around.

Certainly. You don't need to be a Valiant collector to want a H1 9.8 in your collection. It is a legit modern era key book. I would put it in the top 10, and I can't see it out of the top 20 in any serious list.

EXACTLY!

(thumbs u

Action Comics #1 has probably atrocious writing and a boring story, but no one's passing that up EVER.

HAHAHAHA!!! Could you imagine???

"O, sorry, I don't really collect Superman comics"

"Naw, I'll pass. I'm more of a Marvel guy".

My opinion is that the last ~10 years cast doubt on this scenario.

 

When you have high dollar sales for a "common" book they get graded in droves. See Batman Adventures 12. There was quite a lot of publicity when there were ~$1000 prices for CGC 9.8 copies of H1. If they were going to come out to play, why not then? The mythical sealed case has never surfaced - this is not Wolverine 1.

 

 

So true regarding the "Mythical Case". No one would sit on something like that for so long. If they could be making 300, 500, 1000 bucks per issue, it would have happened. Just regarding space even, like,

a Mythical Case X every book that that rumour pops up about = a TONNE of boxes.

I know the Strain is not new news but #1 was sold like 15 times just yesterday on the bay. All for pretty strong prices too. If this show is as cool as it could be, watch out, this book could have no ceiling.

Superbowl ads don't hurt.

At least SOME of you guys get the good adds.

I know that Sheltered is the flavor of the week but after reading it I am not impressed.

 

I've read the first 2 I think. Wasn't bad, but wasn't great either.

 

I'm still sort of confused as to why the kids did what they did. Seems kind of stupid, pointless, and forced.

 

read past #2 for some answers

Hahaha. Ya, will have to.

I MAY have read 3. Not sure.

Based on ebay watchers here are some interesting CGC'ed Modern Age comics heating up:

 

Preacher #1 CGC 9.8 @ $122 & 58 watchers.

Y: The Last Man #1 CGC 9.8 @ $305 & 51 watchers.

Sheltered #1 CGC 9.8 @ $66 & 50 watchers.

Harbinger #1 CGC 9.8 @ $270 & 44 watchers.

Black Science #1 CGC 9.8 @ $26 & 33 watchers.

 

 

Why's Harbinger so high all of a sudden?

I know that Sheltered is the flavor of the week but after reading it I am not impressed.

I've read the first 2 I think. Wasn't bad, but wasn't great either.

I'm still sort of confused as to why the kids did what they did. Seems kind of stupid, pointless, and forced.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Comics-/63/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=walking+dead+53&rt=nc&LH_Auction=1

 

A lot of bidders on most of the listings. I didn't check through for shilling. One week to go until the season resumes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WALKING-DEAD-53-CGC-GRADED-8-5-/201029023736?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ece4377f8#ht_167wt_1289

Yes, listing a book graded at that condition IS surprising!!!

Off topic, but for a long time I wanted a Clint Eastwood/Jack Nicholson DKR movie.

Clint may be a tad too old now, haha.

Clint would have been a PERFECT Wolverine in his Fistful of Dollars persona.

Also, Clancy Brown would make THE perfect Cable.

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but a Tatum Gambit movie sounds like a train wreck.

 

I'm assuming you guys didn't watch the new Jump Street movie?

 

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That movie looks AWFUL.

Bleeding Cool saying A Gambit movie w Channing Tatum might happen.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/30/x-men-producer-wants-a-gambit-movie-starring-channing-tatum/

 

A Gambit #266 is around $215-225 in 9.8

 

 

Josh Holloway (a la Sawyer) IS Gambit. I think they even may have suggested it, but he didn't want to be typecast or something.

 

:frustrated:

 

Josh Holloway would be a cool gambit.

 

I wish they would have casted Jim Caviezel as batman. ( check the show person of interest, you'll understand why)

 

I thought Josh Holloway was great in Lost. He has a lot of swagger and confidence which I think would be perfect for Gambit.

And the hair. That WAS Gambit's hair.

Bleeding Cool saying A Gambit movie w Channing Tatum might happen.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/30/x-men-producer-wants-a-gambit-movie-starring-channing-tatum/

 

A Gambit #266 is around $215-225 in 9.8

 

 

Josh Holloway (a la Sawyer) IS Gambit. I think they even may have suggested it, but he didn't want to be typecast or something.

 

:frustrated:

 

Josh Holloway would be a cool gambit.

 

I wish they would have casted Jim Caviezel as batman. ( check the show person of interest, you'll understand why)

1-Ya, for sure! The character of Sawyer is quite similar to Gambit.

2-Person of Interest is amazing. I thought it would mostly just be episode to episode, the same thing. Good, but repetitive. It actually has quite a bit of variety and multiple layers of depth.

HAD 'EM SOLD 'EM, NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT, THERES A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE, DOUBT ITLL DOUBLE IN PRICE.

 

is there anything special about any of the books that heat up here lately?

Great stories.

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but a Tatum Gambit movie sounds like a train wreck.

Bleeding Cool saying A Gambit movie w Channing Tatum might happen.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/30/x-men-producer-wants-a-gambit-movie-starring-channing-tatum/

 

A Gambit #266 is around $215-225 in 9.8

 

Josh Holloway (a la Sawyer) IS Gambit. I think they even may have suggested it, but he didn't want to be typecast or something.

:frustrated:

That must be the case. I guess sometimes people get caught up in the moment.

 

It also depends on what else the seller has going. If they have a ton of good stuff and buyers are looking specifically at their goods, not searching for specific books, that can drive up the price.

 

I was watching ASM #317 last night in two places. One seller had a lot of nice bronze & copper issues, but not in the best quality, as was the ASM in question. The other seller had a much better grade copy but it sold for less.

Excactly. I'd much rather pay $15 extra for those if I can get , say, get 10 other comics shippped with it in the same order.

Todd #1 had a print run of only 7879, plenty of us here have multiple copies of Todd #1, some even have 20, 25 or more (I got 5), it's not too far off base to say that the bulk of Todd #1's are in the hands of 1000 or so people, maybe even less

There's nowhere for this book to go but up, every issue is a tiny print run

 

This is true.

 

I remember ordering 20 copies because I liked the preview in previews.

 

U mean Todd's first appearance

 

 

Todd #1 had a print run of only 7879, plenty of us here have multiple copies of Todd #1, some even have 20, 25 or more (I got 5), it's not too far off base to say that the bulk of Todd #1's are in the hands of 1000 or so people, maybe even less

There's nowhere for this book to go but up, every issue is a tiny print run

 

Only if it the title gets more popular.

(thumbs u

 

Supply AND demand. Tiny print runs are no guarantee of appreciation.

 

On the flip side, Batman 1's large print run was absorbed by demand.

Ya. On the MAX, if 1 copy per person, then only 7,000 + ??500 trade paperbacks + online = the number of readers.

So at the MOST, only like 10,000-15,000 people could actuall be reading or have read this series.