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Marvel Zombie
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what it go for? the C-cnect Cap 1 moderate cgc 7.5 trimmed. cant find it
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Tec 36 CGC 4.5 blue sold on CLink last night for $13,750. Previous sale in the same grade was only three months ago @ $12,200. Seller did very well, considering they bought the book raw on eBay only a few months ago. The book presents much better after a press, and possible dry cleaning (?).
And...I thought coverless but complete Tec 27's were roughly $30k...? And yet, a coverless copy / no centerfold / slightly brittle just sold for $27,500. Wow.
I have to admit that I was a little surprised about the Tec 36 price being so high, but then again, nothing surprises me in the Pre-Robin Tec world anymore. As for the Tec 27, possibly the fact that it was incomplete and didn't have the best page quality kept it under 30k.
I think that is pretty close to the mark price wise. There just isn't anything available in any type of lower price range. The 6.5 Extensive went for 107+ and I think that is pretty close to the buy in price for any complete copy. I think a nice interior would bring 40K range.. At this point it seems there are 3 or 4 action 1 for every detective 27 we are seeing.
James G
In the long run a 3:1 /4:1 ratio marketwise could tip the balance between the big two. A least if one is expecting to see the supply vs. demand equation kick in. Or ... ? did I miss something. Then I will gladly be educated
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it's actually $275kThanks guys.All things being equal, I much prefer a book with great eye appeal that has been downgraded for a defect I can't see (in this case, the centerfold is split and detached).
I have read this entire thread over the last week, and it's been fascinating reading everyone's opinions, and watching prices evolve over the last four or five years. In particular, it's amazing to me that 29 and 31 were essentially "equal" at the start of this thread, and now 31 has just blown up. I love both books (and I'd love to own a 31 as well) but to me personally, 29's cover is on a par with 31, and the significance and rarity of 29 trump 31. So...it was an easy choice to start with 29 when there is currently such a large price disparity.
Incidentally, has anyone mentioned the fact that the shutters on the window don't fit the window opening? Thought that was interesting.
And, hey...I'm currently looking for a low grade Tec 27, so, you know, if you have one lying around, or know where I could find one, please PM!!
Thanks!
a Low grade tec27:
There is Bunky's blue 1.8.
"only" 375K
Didn't a 2.5 sell for $215 on c link in 9/13?
that particular data point is probably ancient history in the tec27 realm ...
-J.
that particular data point is probably ancient history in the tec27 realm ...
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it's actually $275k
Oh, well then...in that case, I'll take two!!
You are right, it is 275K
(not that it makes much of a difference in my budget though
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Thanks guys.
All things being equal, I much prefer a book with great eye appeal that has been downgraded for a defect I can't see (in this case, the centerfold is split and detached).
I have read this entire thread over the last week, and it's been fascinating reading everyone's opinions, and watching prices evolve over the last four or five years. In particular, it's amazing to me that 29 and 31 were essentially "equal" at the start of this thread, and now 31 has just blown up. I love both books (and I'd love to own a 31 as well) but to me personally, 29's cover is on a par with 31, and the significance and rarity of 29 trump 31. So...it was an easy choice to start with 29 when there is currently such a large price disparity.
Incidentally, has anyone mentioned the fact that the shutters on the window don't fit the window opening? Thought that was interesting.
And, hey...I'm currently looking for a low grade Tec 27, so, you know, if you have one lying around, or know where I could find one, please PM!!
Thanks!
a Low grade tec27:
There is Bunky's blue 1.8.
"only" 375K
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Not sure if you are unhappy because you own a restored book and "want" it to be worth more or something else, but this is just silly.
No.
I'm looking to buy an AF #15 and as I look I just have never observed any sales that follow the advice you guys are giving (e.g., I have yet to see a restored copy for sale at 20% of the unrestored price) in the lower grades.
So, I am taking your advice as a "I have yet to observe it in the wild" type of thing, in the context of AF #15.
Further, I'm saying give me a heads up if anyone actually sees someone selling a restored AF 15 at 20% of what an unrestored goes for, because at that price I'd actually be interested.
The advice was useful/interesting, I'm now going to need to see how it bears up in the reality of actually buying an AF #15 because the SELLERS I'm seeing are certainly going for the gusto on the prices they're asking on restored books (especially trimmed ones), which is certainly not following this guidance, so thanks for the advice everyone.
I'm really trying to understand (based on data I'm seeing not matching the advice), not argue.
Ok.
FYI - I bought a CGC professional extensively restored 9.0 AF15 for 15% of the GPA recorded Blue label price at the time (a little less than two years ago) and sold it recently for 25% of the GPA recorded Blue label price. Book was NOT trimmed, but had plenty of other work done to it.
Restored values have been increasing but not hugely. What have been increasing are unrealistic online and eBay prices that have not typically ended in sales.
AF15s are very common, just expensive. Bide your time and you should be able to get what you want within reason.
lemme see: AF 15 9.0 blue = 200Kish
you sold an ext resto AF 15 9.0 for 25% of that. I.e. 50K
Couldn't use the Feb sale, I guess my gauge of recently was a little off.
9.0 quote was $150K.
Rounded a bit on the percentage, but yeah. What is your point?
Wow - congrats ...
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Not sure if you are unhappy because you own a restored book and "want" it to be worth more or something else, but this is just silly.
No.
I'm looking to buy an AF #15 and as I look I just have never observed any sales that follow the advice you guys are giving (e.g., I have yet to see a restored copy for sale at 20% of the unrestored price) in the lower grades.
So, I am taking your advice as a "I have yet to observe it in the wild" type of thing, in the context of AF #15.
Further, I'm saying give me a heads up if anyone actually sees someone selling a restored AF 15 at 20% of what an unrestored goes for, because at that price I'd actually be interested.
The advice was useful/interesting, I'm now going to need to see how it bears up in the reality of actually buying an AF #15 because the SELLERS I'm seeing are certainly going for the gusto on the prices they're asking on restored books (especially trimmed ones), which is certainly not following this guidance, so thanks for the advice everyone.
I'm really trying to understand (based on data I'm seeing not matching the advice), not argue.
Ok.
FYI - I bought a CGC professional extensively restored 9.0 AF15 for 15% of the GPA recorded Blue label price at the time (a little less than two years ago) and sold it recently for 25% of the GPA recorded Blue label price. Book was NOT trimmed, but had plenty of other work done to it.
Restored values have been increasing but not hugely. What have been increasing are unrealistic online and eBay prices that have not typically ended in sales.
AF15s are very common, just expensive. Bide your time and you should be able to get what you want within reason.
lemme see: AF 15 9.0 blue = 200Kish
you sold an ext resto AF 15 9.0 for 25% of that. I.e. 50K
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Better question is who did the resto work... Today I would leave that book alone but in the 90s resto wasn't so taboo....
James G
Arent most of the restored Mega Keys pre-CGC era jobs
Edit: I was under the impression that with the arrival of CGC, resto books were in a non-legit way stigmatized (given "the plod") as products of ill intent. I.e. "deathrow books" that longtime collectors got burned on.
I could be wrong though ...
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so, what did the resto grade turn out to be? mod 8.0
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there are 640 in 9.4 or better
Jesus ...
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A reglossed, taped-up 1.0 already at $8220. Yikes.
It could be twice that and Bat 1s would still be one of the most under-valued books out there, at least when you compare it to the values other books are getting. Superman 1 is approaching six figures in good, and many would not question question 8K bids to date on the likes of a 9.9 ASM from the 'copper age.' There might be more Bat 1s than the average GA key but it's also a lot more than an average key, and huge numbers of extant copies doesn't seem to make a lot of difference in the prices realized on many other books with existing numbers much higher and significance much lower.
Well put.
"Huge numbers" may be a bit excessive as we're still talking about a GA book, but I understand where you're coming from.
Despite recent upticks in prices for this book, it still has a lot of room to grow.
When I said "huge numbers" i was referring to other books, not Batman 1
Bat 1 has more known existing copies than Superman 1, but far far below the numbers of any silver age key, let alone bronze age books. There are silver and bronze books which sell for more than 12K in high grades.
If you look at Hulk 181, for example, there are more copies in "nosebleed" grades of that issue than there are total existing copies of Batman 1 in any condition. Yet people pay for them who would never buy that low grade Batman 1 because they believe that only high grade books are valuable and don't stop to think how the total numbers should affect the value.
Should the market cap (the value of all existing copies) of Hulk 181 be more than the market cap of Detective 27? I wouldn't think so. But if you take the prices realized for the copies in various grades, and then multiply it by the number of existing copies in all those grades, the market cap of Hulk 181 would far exceed Tec 27.
But how would the figures hold if there was a sell-off. I doubt the value of Tec 27 would fall too far if ten percent of all existing copies came available in the same month. But do that with Hulk 181 and it would be a disaster.
Are there more than 200 nosebleed Hulk 181s ?
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I bet it will topple 10k.
once considered a soft book. now il never get one
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The wheels are in motion ...
This has a special meaning on this board - re: 10 years ago.
Board classic!
+1
Yeah, Mike Hammer poineered it ...
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.Been done, been upgraded, been condoned…there's a thread here somewhere that explored the issue on a SA key (JIM 83? X-Men 1?) …lemme see where that is...It was Avengers 1 - spine pressed to the back, went from 8.5 to 9.2...here's the link:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6483041&fpart=1
Classic was 13k at 8.5.... Spine roll restro 9.2... 85k
good for the individual flipper
sooo bad for the hobby overall
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Killer, could see this old label 8.0 being the new 9.2. Same can't be said of the Heritage 8.0, it may be close to it's final resting place with the erasure and piece out of the bottom of the spine.
I remember trying to figure out what the defects were when I was looking at the catalog. It looks better than the grade for sure.
Yeah, that top right corner could poke a kid's eye out!
I just looked pulled out the catalog and looked at the again and... based on the front cover I can't see anything obvious that would knock the book down all the way to 8.0.
Rob, isn't there tiny stresses in the red spine area? To me that negates any possible 9.2 grade (?).
I'll post a big old scan of the Mastro book tomorrow.
And I'm not saying this is the 9.2 we're discussing. The Mastro book has always looked undergraded to me. It was an early book and there's a perception that the early grades were too harsh. To me this book looks like a prime example of that.
Of course, I've only ever seen the scan.
The back cover could have some issues. But the front cover looks better than 8.0. (thumbs u
what about doing the ol' roll the book to the left, putting the current spine on the back and pressing the *HOLY SPOON* out of it, thus moving any spine defects out of sight...
most of you know that this is being done and getting significant grade bumps...
"Re-arranging" a book like that is "cheating" in my book
. I hope that CGC does not condone such behaviour ...Been done, been upgraded, been condoned…there's a thread here somewhere that explored the issue on a SA key (JIM 83? X-Men 1?) …lemme see where that is...
Books been worked on. Yet its authorized under universal grade.
If I shell out big money on a blue key I expect "virginity" = untouched.
The Florida boys shold consider a pink colour code for all these many book that belong in the greyzone area being neither true-blue label nor purple plods with added material.
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The GA forum is blessed so far not to have had exessive invasion of trolling ...
The Harvard public relations department are looking into this.
The wheels are in motion ...
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Anything new for the tec27 9.2, or is it probably staying in hiding for now?
I cracked it out, and put it back in the Mylar.
...... I thought I sensed a disturbance in the Force..... GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u
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Killer, could see this old label 8.0 being the new 9.2. Same can't be said of the Heritage 8.0, it may be close to it's final resting place with the erasure and piece out of the bottom of the spine.
I remember trying to figure out what the defects were when I was looking at the catalog. It looks better than the grade for sure.
Yeah, that top right corner could poke a kid's eye out!
I just looked pulled out the catalog and looked at the again and... based on the front cover I can't see anything obvious that would knock the book down all the way to 8.0.
Rob, isn't there tiny stresses in the red spine area? To me that negates any possible 9.2 grade (?).
I'll post a big old scan of the Mastro book tomorrow.
And I'm not saying this is the 9.2 we're discussing. The Mastro book has always looked undergraded to me. It was an early book and there's a perception that the early grades were too harsh. To me this book looks like a prime example of that.
Of course, I've only ever seen the scan.
The back cover could have some issues. But the front cover looks better than 8.0. (thumbs u
what about doing the ol' roll the book to the left, putting the current spine on the back and pressing the *HOLY SPOON* out of it, thus moving any spine defects out of sight...
most of you know that this is being done and getting significant grade bumps...
"Re-arranging" a book like that is "cheating" in my book
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who has bought what?
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the restored 9.4 that was a restored 9.2Who was it that had this copy on display at Chicago?I sold it to carbonaro so it was he who had it on display. And at sdcc too...and heroes con.
Which book are we talking about?
It was at Carbonaro's booth. Here is my iPhone pic.
And a fairly lousy but still mostly legible blow-up of the label. Rick, did you ever see the Kane auto on the first page?
amazing - whats the price tag on this ...
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50 and -1I'm 45. I consider this tec27 cgc 9.2 *much more* desirable than the action 1 cgc 9.0
sorry ...
51 and +1
42 and -1
39 and +1
48 and -1
+1 (that is for 48 and -1)
45 +1
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I'm 45. I consider this tec27 cgc 9.2 *much more* desirable than the action 1 cgc 9.0
sorry ...
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Did anyone happen to catch what the blue label #35, 5.5 went for in the CC auction ?
-J.
$43,000
Thanks!-J.
My jaw dropped too after seeing the final hammer price. I would think it would sell in the $35k range with the tape in the inside cover.
All of the pre robin's performed well- tape, hole punches, trimming, brittle pages, etc be damned.
-J.
Pre Robins sell like hot cakes ...
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THE AMAZING FANTASY #15 CLUB
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Book is swiftly approaching 'the 10K-a-point-level'. That is rarefied air ....