Matthew42383

For those of you who crave interesting pics. Some of the rarish stuff I picked up tonight

Your big deal with not calling the vote before was that at the time of the transaction we weren't both members. If all you care about his the membership of those at the time of transaction (as you demanded before) then he qualifies for this new transaction he failed in because we were both members at the time we were both members. Further Bob knows alot of people in the comic industry. He doesn't need to talk through your boards to generate sales to your board members. Putting him in the HOS will at least get the word out that he's a thief. Protect your boardies from buying from him via ebay, conventions, his store, or directly. Just call the vote and we can be done with the silly turd. Well at least all you can as he still owes me money. Frankly, if this guy has stolen a quarter of a million dollars from a man most of you knew's widow, wondering whether a HOS vote is necessary at this point is the lowest of your problems. Deal with it and get it over with. Please. I've met all your requirements.

I want him in the HOS as well. He was banned so he can't talk on here. Great. Could care less. But when a google search comes up he isn't on the HOS list. The point of the HOS list is to get people to stop spending money with him. I'm sure board members will still buy from him on ebay if you don't make them aware. We were both board members at the time he made his promise on here to ship again. I've gone through all the hoops and waited the requistite amount of time to get him in the HOS. So please call the vote.

So it's been a month. Blbcomics still doesn't respond to me. He hasn't mailed the items from last May, like he's promised to again. It's Xmas now, and as the po is closed on christmas here his time is up. Again. Still no 3600 refund. Still no 341 pulps. Still no answering phone calls. Now that I have jumped through the proper hoops, I'd like him admitted to the HOS. Please take a vote on it. Oh. And I'm posting the trash below that was taken from his facebook account. If I read it correctly, and compare it with Jean Bails statement that she has not recieved any money yet from the guy after 7 years now posted earlier this month by her on facebook, may I just ask that if Jerry had a collection worth over a quarter of a million, and Robert here sold at least half of it to help her out, for well over 100K to one buyer, long long ago as he states here, why after 7 years has the widow still recieved nothing? Don't try to read the whole thing. Just the bold part at the beginning about Jerry's art that he sold will be good enough to prove my point. Bob deserves to be in jail. The HOS vote should be simple enough. Oh and the having no money to mail books or refund me things is bs. I've just spent the last hour looking at photos from the California Comicon in October. He was there answering questions on the board as a "Comic book authority". Can spend thousands to travel across the country for half a week to talk at a convention when he needs all his money to save his daughters life with cancer treatments, but can't spend 100 bucks on shipping charges. Bob's priorities go like this. 1. I'm awesome and you need to know it. 2. Making your money into his money by any means possible. 3. Daughter. 4. Everything else. You've heard the evidence. People have chimed in. Now please start the vote. Robert Beerbohm's facebook post from Dec. 10: CGC is a Ponzi Scheme Fraud which should be exposed for the harm it does to the hobby of collecting comic books. I have heard many horror stories about this firm Comics 'Guarantee' Corporation which guarantees nothing except take your money and leave you out to dry dangling in the wind dating back to its inception. CGC plays "favorites" with a certain inner circle few who receive preferential treatment over the vast majority of its "clients." CGC damages collector's comic books, then basicly tells the hapless victim to go themselves. This is what happened to the Jerry Bails copy of All Star Comics #8 when his widow Jean Bails asked me in early 2007 to broker the remnants of the founder of comics fandom. I sold the art he had left in one package to one person for well over $100K. That came off with out a hitch. So many "experts" in the field of vintage comic books insisted I had to have what was left of his All Star Comics collection 4-32 34 35 37-57 "certified" in coffin slabs by this firm CGC located in Florida. That I would be doing an injustice if I did not. Turned in to a nightmare CGC damaged All Star Comics #7 getting a swath of two inch wide packaging tape across the front cover. Whoops Popped the lower staple on its gem key first Wonder Woman appearance All Star #8 - and when I stated to them their insurance company should pay a check directly to Jean, they told me to go myself When I informed Jean Bails of this turn of events, asked her as owner to call CGC direct, they told her to off And then tried to shift this blame on to me as if I had done this damage CGC is a liar fraud company and it is high time they are exposed for the fraud they have been to many an unsuspecting collector Several prominent collector persons local to me here inspected the comics before I placed them in a jewelers display briefcase, boarded a plane to Florida, hand delivered the All Star Comics to them in good faith As one enters CGC HQ there is a glass enclosed conference room to the left. I was directed in to its confines. Therein then head grader Steve Borock, 2nd head dude Mark Haspiel, and 3rd honcho West Stephens all inspected the goods. Mark & West were closely examining Jerry Bails' All Stars marveling at many of them. Oh, sez Mark, the #5 looks to be a Mile High Comics issue Wow, they go, #6 is Tom "San Francisco" Reilly copy Damn, #19 looks like it also is a Mile High. Then they get to Jerry Bails All Star #8. They all stop, look at very very closely. Mark and West say to me it looks like it will come in as the "highest graded copy" they have ever seen. I knew it to be a nice one. So did the locals who marveled at Jerry's All Stars. Two months later Steve Borock brings the two boxes of slabbed up coffins to me Wednesday afternoon at San Diego Comicon. He makes quick mention of some accident wherein at CGC some unknown employee had gotten two inch wide package mailing tape on the front cover of the #7 - so they were adjusting something or other on it He then goes to leave, and I say wait a sec, let me flip thru these first He paused. I flip a bit, hit the #8 very curious to see where it came out. I see instead the Purple Kiss of Death label on it The All Star #8 label also says "bottom staple popped and loose" or some such I say, "What is this? Bottom staple loose from book? That is impossible" Steve says he has more books to deliver, and quickly departs, leaving me there basicly with my proverbial in my hand, pondering WTF? Several locals had inspected it. Steve, Mark Haspiel, West Stephens has all inspected it at CGC World HQ in Florida. No one prior had seen and/or made mention of a lower bottom popped staple As I stare at the All Star #8 in its hard plastic coffin, along walks Matt Nelson, who does restoration works for a lot of people for years, presses books to make them higher grades, now works directly for CGC in its HQ plying his trade I ask him if he has has very much experience with opening one of these plastic coffins up. He says Yes, and proceeds to show me how it is done. He carefully pulls out the All Star #8, carefully, slowly, opens the All Star #8 and the FIRST thing either one of us sees is this gaping hole where the book used to be firm snug as a bug at its lower staple CGC for what ever reason damaged this All Star #8 - when I dropped them off, they were categorically stating it looked like it would come in "highest graded copy" CGC also stated it had a drop of glue at the bottom of the bottom staple PLUS a drop of "color touch" same spot - Huh? Now, this magical drop of glue and drop of color touch is one thing - and I would not put it past some one there to have done that BUT, for the staple to pull away from its mooring while in their custody is quite another. Incensed a bit, when getting no where with CGC employee types I called up CGC co-owners Steve Geppi as well as Jim Halpren, also an owner in Heritage Comics Auctions to see about proper compensation for Jean Bails. Not for me. I said to them I think CGC's insurance company should buy this All Star #8 from Jean - and mail her a check directly I was blown off with both saying while they each own a piece of CGC, they have no sway in the firm's operations. Odd, I thought, CGC owners have no say in getting the firm to do the right thing for Jerry Bail's widow? So I took the case on to CGC's internal form many call "the boards" A small cabal started attacking me thereon as if I had damaged Jerry's All Star #8. And the sociopathic attacks have been on-going ever since The above is the public record truth. There is more detail, but I hope most of the gist of this I have laid out that CGC damaged Jerry's All Star #7 and #8 - and will not provide proper recompense direct to Jean Bails This is not about me. It is about justice being served. I would have addressed and attacked this stronger earlier since this happened summer of 2007, but I fell in to a medical repair imbroglio which lasted well over half a decade. I am back, I am out raged, I hope you are also. If you are, please share this far and wide, press on CGC to do the right thing, compensate Jean Bails properly. Don't just tell her and myself to off. Thank you for reading this far, and, again, share with your friends. There are other horror stories CGC has perped on collector. Here is what the front and back to All Star #8 scanned as before taking Jerry's collection down to Florida to CGC World HQ -

Amen.

Ha. Bob-o added me to the group by mistake, I posted. Then he deleted my post and banned me from the group too.

I still don't think he's gonna send me jack.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Know what town in Nebraska the turd lives in?

Mark basically told Bob he sympathized with him but he was making a mistake legally posting those ramblings online. That he represented CGC and the if Bob had issue with CGC he should consult with his own lawyer. He then gace directions for everyone else who was pissed off at Bob for creating the group and "forcing" them into it on how to leave it.

Can't join the group and post unless Bob-o accepts a request. Thanks though.

He hasn't stolen $3600.00 from you. Your safe. Hey mods. Isn't this just more proof that he has no intention of completing the deal with me? I just tried to contact him again, and he blocked me on facebook. Hard to work things out with a guy who ignores your phone calls and blocks you on the internet from communicating with him.

Yep. The turd just permanently blocked me from sending him messages or viewing his profile on facebook.

I posted too. Will be interesting to see if he ignores it or just deletes it. 15 Days until he's broke his dozenth (that a word?) promise to ship.

He won't admit he's sold them miracle. And he's refused to answer any attempts of mine to contact him for about 2.5 months now. And come christmas, I give it 100 to 1 odds that I don't recieve anything. The question isn't what sort of compensation I'll recieve for the ones he's sold. The question is whether I can get him on the hall of shame list or not for this obvious fraud on his part. As for pulps of value, there were about 10 worth 100 each, 20 or so worth 50 each, 100 or so worth 15-25 each, and a little over 200ish worth 10 or so each (this last group was mostly argosys; all these dollar value numbers are my estimates, his were higher). Dont bother trying to add the numbers up. Youll come up with a number higher then 3600. I got a decent deal since I bought his entiring remaining pulp inventory at once. He valued the pulps at something around 7200 when he came up with the list (hence my offer at 3600). I'd think the fact that he still has some of the pulps for sale on ebay and has put them up on discount sales since his Nov. 25 post has got to be evidence enough he's screwing me, if you don't have enough already. I'd really just prefer my money back. He can't complete the deal any more. (Can't mail what you don't have). But he says he's broke. The turd could always mail everything he does have from the list and throw in a few golden age comics of equivalent value to make up for the stuff he's sold. But at this point I have no doubt he's decided to just keep the money and the items. He's hardly hiding it anymore.

I can't prove he sold the pulps jaybuck. They were on ebay. Then they were sold. (I am sure they were the some of the same ones, probably 8 of the 10 most expensive pulps worth about 100 each of the 341 he sold to me at 3600 were among the ones sold) Then there was positive feedback left for some of them. And then 90 days after the transactions all record of them was deleted by ebay. I know it's true. I can just no longer prove it's true that he doesn't have them all. Here's 6 more of them that I bought from him that he still has up for sale. Even put them on a discount sale to try to move them since last he posted late November on collectors society... http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_osacat=0&_ssn=blbcomics&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xpulp&_nkw=pulp&_sacat=0&_from=R40 And im not interested in putting the guy on the probation list. The time for half measures is decades past due. I want him in the hall. And a vote taken on it when I'm eligible to call for it. If I'm completely high on something, people will vote no, but judging from the stories, this has been decades a-coming. Just haven't had a loudmouth like me pissed off enough until this point to put him there. Regardless of what this turd has said on here, or Mitch on his behalf, he's just trying to delay more to make this issue go away so everyone forgets about it and he can "get away with it". He needs to be in the Hall in the same way that Hitler needed a bullet, and Gandhi should have got a Nobel.

Yeah, he fell through on the promise he made to Mark Zaid. I'm just waiting on the new time limit (imposed by jaybuck I think it was) to nominate BLBcomics for the hall of shame again. Blbcomics posted on Nov. 25th that he'll get them in the mail when he's ready and no amount of pressure will speed that up. Christmas was mentioned but he won't keep to that one either. In the same post he called me a piece of in a half dozen different ways with his cheerleader Mmheady supporting him. It's always a delaying tactic. Blb still won't answer my phone calls or emails. He is actively ignoring me. He's not about to return the money. He doesn't have all the pulps anymore as he sold several on ebay. I really don't know what the wait is for but I'd rather go through the hoops here at collectors the right way, then have this issue laid to rest so right now it's just a waiting game until I'm eliglble to nominate him. Expect a nomination again on Xmas Eve if I can't get one in before then. - Matthew

He gave his word through Mark Zaid on facebook that they'd be shipped by the end of the week and that I'd have tracking. It is now the end of the week. He gave his word through Mitch by phone that they'd be shipped by Christmas. He posted on the boards here under the Thanksgiving greetings thread that he'll mail them eventually when he get's around to it, when he's found them all and nothing will speed up the process. I trust all of you trust Mark Zaids word? Being the end of the week, I do not have tracking. I have no reason to think that he'll have them in the mail by xmas. He has made this same "I'll mail them out by so and so promise" a dozen times. And he has just violated yet another date he gave his word for. Earlier in this probations thread, one of the forum members here posted a dozen stories of the guy given by board members that show he has repeatedly done these sort of behaviors again and again. He's stolen $3600.00 from me, he makes no attempt to make good on the deal. And this isn't the first, or second, or twentieth time he's done this to others. some of your earliest most trusted members are speaking up about how Bob has done them wrong over the years. I would like to call for a vote to add him to the Hall of Shame. It's time to put an end to this guys ability to make transactions on line. If he ever bothers to follow through on the tranaction with me, I'll let you know and you can react accordingly. In the mean time, if this guy doesn't qualify for the Hall, than who possibly ever could? Please elect him to the hall. - M

I see how your requesting rules for the lists can be interpretted either for or against me in this matter. To make sure that doesn't happen in the future with someone else, may I suggest you edit them so in the future it's clear when exactly a transaction must take place in regards to the board members "subscriptions"? While that might help future cases, in this one can I posit this question. If the primary purpose of the lists is to protect board members, shouldn't one err on the side of caution since the rules as they stand can be interpretted anyway you want to argue it? To put it in an extrememly crass way to illiustrate my point the best way I know how, If a famous child molestor moves from Florida to your neck of the woods, do you give him a chance to be part of your community just because he committed his crimes in another jurisdiction? Would you still give him the benefit of the doubt having interaction with your children (the people you are responsilbe for?) Or would you rather force him to register in his new hometown, and require him to stay away from your children? We have laws in place in America that support the latter. I'm sorry but putting things so "worst case scenario"-like, I have found is a useful tool in getting a point across. What do you tell the next board member who he steals from? Sorry about it. We knew it was going to happen but we let him go on a technicality? I did come here to try to get my money back. But I had lost most hope for that prior to now. My primary purpose is to warn the rest of you. To protect you. If it falls on deaf ears, than I don't know what to tell you. I imagine you deserve what you get, and share in the responsiblity of all future people he rips off. As far as the whole new transaction idea posited goes, Mark Zaid (my thanks to him) has privately emailed me and said Bob promises to have 300 of the 341 books in the mail to me and tracking provide before the end of the week. The remainder of the books to be sent by Christmas. I'll let you know if Bob follows through or not on this. He still ignores phone calls from me though. While I'm glad that you interpret the rules in my favor for putting him to the list in this case as a new deal has been struck (that he complete the old deal), where he has forcefully had the screws put to him to promise to make good again, may I ask this: What if he hadn't agreed to send them again? Then according to this interpretation he would not have initiated a transaction, and while it was well known and proved that he in fact stole from a person, he would still be free to do it again as he had kept riding on the I'm stealing from the guy pony. Frankly, any set of rules or laws that leaves loopholes that allow anyone, buyer or seller, to rip off others, needs to be examined. Otherwise what's the point of it, as any clever thief can circumvent your rules structure, and steal uninhibited. What if I agree to alot of deals with some of you that I'm talking to on the boards now, in this very room? And as I contact you off the boards, and have you send me money, I close my account on this website before you actually send the money. Then I never send you a thing, and come back to the boards later, reactivate my account. Under your same technicalities, I would have been able to steal from as many of the board members here as I want, but would not technically be eligible for the hall of shame or probation lists as I wasn't a board member for the couple of days I had everyone send me money. If I posit the question this way, does it make my point more cogent, and your need as a community to protect yourself in this and future cases? Thanks for your time. - M

I have no reason to doubt him Pirate. I appreciate any help he's willing to give me. What I doubt is that he'll be in anyway able to impress any sort of action on Bob's part. The guys been doing this for decades. He's had run-in's from doing this stuff many times before. He keeps doing it. As of now I have 100% faith in Mark, and he owes me absolutely nothing. But I have 0% faith in Bob. That's not true. I actually have 100% faith in Bob to do the wrong thing. I'll gladly bury the hatchet and never mention Bob again. But after this amount of time, and the fact that even now after all these board posts hes aware of Bob will not pick up the phone to talk to me. I've got to do sometihng. And waiting and hoping Bob makes right isn't that. Thank you though. - M

Sent you an email esquire. We've also been talking about it in this thread: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7197163&fpart=46 I guess he's done this sort of thing at least a few dozen times before. Many other board members are posting about how he stole from them too. He already has my mailing address and has recieved my current one on at least 4 different occasions. It's just another delaying tactic. But I appreciate any help you can give me. - M

I'd like to request that Robert Beerbohm be put on the probation and potentially Hall of Shame list. He entered into a $3600 transaction with me on May 31st. I bought 341 pulps from him (His remaining stock, 200ish were late argosy's hence the lower value considering the larger amount of pulps). He was suppose to have them to me within a week. It's been 6 months now. I've called him, pmed him (through ebay or text), emailed him over 50 times at this point. As of two months ago he no longer responds. He is still an active seller on ebay, and still talks to others on the forum, he just dodges me. I started a thread: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7197163&fpart=1 In it I discovered, that Bob has been doing this for decades. There are records of at least a dozen other people from these forums telling horror stories of how they had been stolen from by him. I've included a screenshot of my original Paypal payment to prove that I'm legitimate. Additional information can also be found in the thread I posted the link of above. I am unable to get my money back through paypal as it's been more then 90 days (he kept putting me off promising me it was in the mail) and I did NOT use a credit card when I checked out. He's been doing this at least since the 90's. It just seems that no one has been angered to the point (or stolen from as much as I have now been), to post something on these forums reporting his behavior before. He likes to trade using other board members as references as well. Please help me put a stop to this guy. And help me get him to make good on his end one way or another if possible. I've sent him a pm through your servers as your rulebook requires as of today November 25th at noon. I don't expect him to respond. Thanks for your help. - M

Do you have his username on Golddust? Thanks. - M

I don't expect you to take my word for it Doohickamabob. I provided copies of the paypal payment, and email confirming the transaction with Dwight Fuhro a few months ago. I know he's a long time member at the boards and in the pulp/comic community. He can confirm everything I'm saying. I see sacentaur has played the same game with him. How did that turn out. Did you ever get your money back sac? I've done everything I can on my own that is possible at this point Doo. I'm usually not one for forums, but I figured I couldn't let this guy do this to anyone else so I signed up. Unfortunately, it seems he's repeatedly done it alot over time and still seems to get away with it...Thanks the humantorch, I'll check out the link in a second. - M

I contacted Paypal. They have a 90 day policy. Since he put me off for so long with his stories, I am unable to reverse the transaction. I paid using money in my paypal account too, so a cc reverse is also out of the picture. He lives in Nebraska. I live in Maine. The police are unable to do anything other then take a report. Especially since it wasn't so much theft as I sent him the money freely, as it was outright fraud as he never had any intention of sending me his end of the deal (Illegal but not worth their time to prove). That leaves only civil action and with the costs of lawyers nowadays, I could easily spend four times the amount before I won the case. The worst part is that he uses his daughters health condition and his business acquaintances as references in pursuit of fraud. Through google searches I can see that he's done this with much smaller amounts to other people before. The guy has even written his own wikipedia entry to help promote himself. The guys otherwise a legitimate businessman. He just like to commit fraud every once in a while to make some extra money. Lastly, I know he's recently disconnected his phone (I guess he doesn't like me calling him so much). I've got his new number but he does not answer that either. It's been 8 months, on a transaction that was supposed to take a week. He's not even making the attempt to hide the theft at this point. He's just ignoring me hoping I go away.