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RICKYBOBBY
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No one ghosted for Kirby. He had assistants that “helped” him out on commissions.
As Mark Evanier said “that later on when he was ailing, Kirby had people who “helped him out a little on commissions — Jack actually had less assistants than anybody else who produced that much work — but nobody was ghosting for him.”
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7 hours ago, glendgold said:
The loop that this all ends up with is "The experts don't know anything but I do," and that way of thinking isn't exactly in retreat these days.
These so called “experts” also have huge egos and they expect people believe their opinions likes facts. Opinions are opinions and opinions can be wrong.
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McFarlane and Capullo each worked on both pencils and inks
I got the Spawn 26 cover straight from Greg. Not sure where they got that McFarlane worked pencils on the piece with Greg. This piece is like the others - Greg’s full pencils with McFarlane inks. I hope it didn’t go for 19k because of that reason.
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Yeah - wouldn’t buy any of those. None of them look like Jack Kirby pieces 🤔
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5 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
🤷🏽♂️
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Just now, pemart1966 said:
You're missing the point. We all agree that it's not 100% Jack. We have guesstimate from someone that Jack's involvement was give or take 70% - that "...he remembered Jack working on this exact piece.". That's where it ends. There's no way to tell what Jack did or did not do on this piece.
No you are missing the point dude. The whole reason this started is because someone said the SS wasn’t Kirby. Go back and read page 1 .. jeez
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7 minutes ago, artdealer said:
Maybe if Ricky taps his ruby red shoes 3 times, his wish that the Kirby be 100% Kirby might come true.
In the meantime, very, very few collectors would want this in their collection. It would always be in the back of their mind that it’s not 100% Kirby.
That’s your opinion. Jack had it in his wall so he enjoyed seeing it. It’s his birthday and that’s why I posted it too. And here’s you are talking about ruby shoes - what a rude comment Mitch
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6 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
You're assuming that Jack did the Surfer pencils. That's not a fact...
Have you read anything ? Mark Evanier confirmed he remembered Jack working on this exact piece.
its you guys that are assuming I said it’s 100% jack.
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You guys are hilarious - tell me please WHERE i said it was 100% kirby. Someone said it’s NOT kirby and I am setting the record straight on that original rude opinion
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1 minute ago, artdealer said:
The fact is it’s not 100% Kirby. That’s an undisputed fact.
Therefore this must be described as “drawn by Kirby and an assistant”.
Regardless of how much you want this to be 100% Kirby, it will never be. And when you go to sell, you’ll be surprised to see how the attribution will affect the price.
Hey listen you keep bringing this back to money. I don’t care Jack had help on this piece and many others who don’t mind.
How many Jack Kirby Silver Surfer pencils with Dr doom do you know that exist? I am guessing not many. I know of one and he turned 100k down.
Its a great piece to own and looks amazing on the wall. If you care kirby had help on it then that’s your preference
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35 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
I get more than a little fidgety when I hear stuff like "around N% by artist X".
What does that mean? Did the artist do all of the backgrounds and none of the figures? Did he draw faces only? Hands, feet, torsos and a couple of trees? I don't know and neither does anyone else including an expert who's using the term "around". Clearly he can't remember if he's using that type of term.
Add to this that there were people that were very good at signing said artist's signature all adds up to "caveat emptor" IMO.
I wouldn’t get lost in the % numbers. Mark was nice enough to provide an idea that it’s majority Jack Kirby. You can jus translate that into “he had some help”.
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11 minutes ago, artdealer said:
Well, it's a partial Kirby.
And it's not that magnificent considering is only a partial Kirby.Jack had it hanging in his home. That’s magnificent enough for me.
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15 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
That's not a rude opinion that's a fact.
No it’s not fact it’s an opinion. Don’t get confused.
The fact is - Jack Kirby worked on this piece. Anything beyond that is just someone’s opinion that has no backing.
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38 minutes ago, artdealer said:
If a piece of art is not 100% pencilled by Kirby, then it’s not a total Kirby and therefore not worth nearly what a completely 100% pencilled Kirby would be worth.
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No argument there. Not even talking about monetary value here. Just trying to set the record straight here that it is Kirby. So he had some help on it - it still doesn’t change how magnificent the piece is. And Saying it’s not Kirby is just a rude opinion.
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Well I am only talking about the final image a person would see - so not apples and oranges
. You see 70% kirby in SS piece and you would see a similar percentage in a final cover.
Here maybe some people are only okay seeing a final product - maybe you’ll like this better
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10 minutes ago, vodou said:
Otherwise known as a C-.
I guess - you must consider most of his covers C- as well. What cover is 100% kirby after the inker is done?
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8 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
But didn't Evanier say above that the Surfer piece was "around 70% by Jack"?
Yes - exactly.
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7 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
There was allegedly a lot of "suspicious stuff" that went on at the end with those "specialty" pieces - hell, even the signature has to be questioned. Personally I wouldn't touch one but maybe that's just me...
Yeah those Sotheby’s pieces can be suspicious because they are so mechanical - no life in them. So hard to tell with those recreations.
The Silver Surfer pencils here were done way before that time and actually used to hang in Jack Kirbys home. So not to be confused with the different times and pieces.
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2 minutes ago, vodou said:
As long as you're happy...
Indeed - very happy. I’ll be even more happier when Mike Royer is done inking a copy of both pencil pieces. 🤘🏽
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33 minutes ago, glendgold said:
Likewise. Has something changed since HA explained that the extent of Jack's involvement with this piece is unknown?
Yes! - I spoke to and showed this piece to Mark Evanier (for you who don’t know him - long time friend and historian of Jack Kirby)
And he said he remembered Jack working on this exact piece and it was when his health was ailing him and he had help with it. He said it’s around 70% by Jack.
It really just confirms the last article written on this piece on the Kirby Museum website.
And BTW that write up done by HA was done at the request of the consignor at that time.
Rb
. You see 70% kirby in SS piece and you would see a similar percentage in a final cover.
Real or Fake - Kirby Kublak sketch
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So discrediting Mark and accusing other beneficiaries in selling non kirby art as kirby art. I’d like to see proof of that accusation. Or did you forget to add the word “probably” in front of your statement ? Just like “Probably not even his signature”. Nice water cooler conversation to pass time but it’s nothing more than that.
The enemy of truth is blind acceptance - Matthew Arnold