SquareChaos

I happen think charging $15k for a commission is a bad look, that's just my opinion, highly subjective and all. I know others share it, and many others don't, it is a topic of discussion but no one can call right or wrong... not objectively. Having said that, I would never dump on people's commissions or experiences. I honestly wouldn't have been surprised to see this thread get moderated after some of the recent comments. I feel this is more in objective territory... don't be a jerk people.

I have to wonder what you even mean by 'sane' here. There certainly must have been something about the environment the Crumbs were raised in.

One of the best documentaries I've ever seen focusing on a living person. He is shown as a fascinating individual - in every sense of the word - even to those that know nothing about the art. Worth everyone's time in my opinion.

I also thought about adding Frank Quietly. His influence will only continue to grow.

Oh, I somehow totally blipped over that! I'll edit it out, thanks for pointing it out.

Art Adams Neal Adams Miller Edit: poor reading skills on my part tonight

I'd probably take this cover over #21, but I'm a Constantine fan. I imagine if all of them are on the table many may opt for #53.

If you go to the trouble of putting a sticker price on an item in an open market place and wildly, wildly whiff on the price you land on I have trouble seeing the whole "shame / taken advantage of" storyline getting too far unless many other details emerge to support it. I certainly have some sympathy, but like I said earlier, I can't fathom the series of events that culminated in this transaction. The most minimal of due diligence should have thrown up some red flags... Not even necessarily OA specific research, just a quick search into the comic it came from would likely have resulted in a different outcome to this story. Here's hoping it wasn't a grandma setting up an OA booth to pay for her dialysis treatments.

It certainly never happens to me! I can't imagine the run of events that led up to that cover going up at that price.

I never say anything regardless as I'd feel odd telling the artist not to do their SOP. Now I have has an artist in artist row *ask* me if I wanted him to sign it and I said 'No!' so quickly he found it funny. Clearly I'd been hurt before!

Speaking of published art only... a few of the artists I purchase from sign their work prior to shipping - I'd rather they didn't do so as it wasn't published with a signature to begin with. I wouldn't modify anything myself if I could help it, certainly not if another solution is so simple as to buy another portfolio.

CAF eh?

You must love Scotch

Man, you have the Newcastle page and never told me?

I've been in the hobby less than a decade, but it seems clear to me that in a global economy where the numbers show that the gap between the haves and the have nots continues to widen and the cost of living and of inelastic goods and services rise ever higher, luxury hobbies such as this one are unlikely to be immune. I think OA collecting will continue, but once the last of the "early generations" bow out you'll have fewer and fewer people playing with funny money from buying low and selling or trading high - the already mentioned ever rising cost to scrape out a meager existence should explain why new money coming into the ecosystem in large amounts seems like a poor (but not impossible) bet. As for the movies brining people into the original art game, well, I'm not even convinced it brings them into the $25 a month subscription box club and I would think most of us were readers before we were art collectors, though I'm sure there are always exceptions.

Another fun thread idea. I went back and forth on what to share before settling on a page that is "sci-fi fantasy" and thereby fitting for both.

Some outstanding examples in here. I'll add my Kill the Minotaur work to go with @PhilipB2k17's.

I've seen Elvis mentioned a number of times as being 'iconic'... but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no collector, but hasn't Elvis memorabilia fallen off a cliff? Maybe that isn't a great example if so.

The crux of the thread - the ends justify the means people on one side, and those that see offering something that you don't own up for sell as a form of lying.

It is certainly subjective. My thought writing that was mostly from the owner of said arts perspective - why wouldn't they have a right to be aggravated by the behavior? And in this particular instance, buyers of art from such an individual may also be annoyed once they find out they paid an unnecessary mark-up... But we all already accept caveat emptor so there is no need to discuss much further on that front... but again, many may not find it exactly ethical and people should understand that may be the case if they decide to go down that road. Our actions do, and should, have consequences.

It's certainly misleading to list art you don't actually own. If flipping were illegal half the boards would be in prison. I think some people rightly have an issue with someone listing art for sale when the lister does not actually own said art or have some agreement granting permission from whomever does. Re: grammar and punctuation - someone else said Visarspike likely speaks and English as a second language, if that's the case maybe cut them some slack on that.

Once you pay with Friends and Family you have nothing to fall back on other than attacking their public reputation. Considering this thread... that probably won't help here. My personal take is that I only use F&F payments if I'd be more disappointed in the person ripping me off than I would be in losing the money. As in losing a friendship / relationship with someone I felt I had a good relationship with. For a purely business transaction... people just shouldn't do it. If the seller insists, do the math, tell them you'll pay the extra 2.9%, and then use the Goods and Services payment method so you have some protection if things go south.

The online equivalent of someone not answering the door while you can clearly see and hear them moving around inside the house.

Older collectors had (mostly) nothing but CAF, therefore CAF was popular. There are simply more options now... it's the same reason we're not all watching some modern version of Uncle Walter on the nightly news. CAF is not likely to dry up and blow away due to simple lack of users though. As anyone that works in software will tell you, users get used to what they use - an interface will become natural and intuitive to them through simple repetition, even if a new user introduced to it might want to claw their eyes out due to poor UX design. However, that poor design absolutely will turn away new users that have other options, and even some of the embedded users might decide to be Facebook or IG unfaithful every now and then before returning to their more familiar bedfellow. As to how many collectors are there... an impossible question to answer. Better to speculate as to whether there will be more tomorrow than there are today.

@1p36DSA This isn't the marketplace forum - maybe someone can move it for you without having to repost it all? I don't know.