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I have seen the CEO of one comic company make a deal to purchase key appearances of characters from a competing company on these boards.

Not comics but , back in the 90's I did the east coast national sportcard show and Reggie Jackson was there buying his rookie cards. I had 2 or 3 in my showcase. Sure enough he stopped by my table asked to look at the cards, looked at them and gave them back, said thanks and walked away. His lackey then walks up and proceeds to tell me to sell them to Reggie for basically peanuts because he was Reggie. Put a bad taste in my mouth to this day the way he did it. Needless to say he did not buy any of mine. I heard he did buy a bunch though.

I never understood why famous people with money try to use that as leverage to get freebies. We all know you have money. Now I could understand a situation where it was Joe Dimaggio or someone from that era, as salaries hadn't gotten ridiculous, but Reggie has money

-- Harlan Ellison shopped at our show booth.

 

He does love his comic books. I used to be on the committee of a convention that he would come to every few years.

-- used to have a file customer whose legal surname is Batman-- and yes, he did collect Batman comics.

 

Micronauts #8 continues to roll.

 

Why are you sorting by highest listed? Very misleading, like someone pulling up a chart of NFLX stock 6 months ago.

 

Not highest listed, highest sold, and not 6 months, 90 days.

 

The most important sales are the highest ones, not the ones that fall through the cracks or poor listings.

I'd say the most important sales are the mode, or what passes for it, as anyone can get a deal or made a poor purchasing decision. If you really think the high results are what's important, then the recent sales of Turok #1 at $6 and $4.50 means that the speculators from the '90s are actually going to make money on that, and we know that that isn't going to happen.

 

What's a "mode"? And have you ever sold books?

It's a pretty common mathematical term.

 

Thanks! (Although not at all applicable here.)

Depending on what you're trying to figure, I would say it is. The most common value that a book has sold for is going to provide a good guide as to what you should expect to get for it, or pay for it. Now, if you're very patient and don't particularly care whether a book actually sells, then maybe the highest price point matters in that it provides a guide as to what someone who is not paying attention to average prices might overpay for a copy. But I imagine one would make more money (from selling more books), by referencing not only the highest price (paid by one person who now has his book), but rather the prices that people are commonly willing to pay.

I just had 13 copies double signed for SS at NYCC. Looks like it might payoff.

Like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person, just after I dropped off my books for CGC (including 2 ASM 361s), I realized that Bagley was signing a few dozen feet from the CGC booth.

This one hasn't heated up yet, but What if 105 first May Parker could be one to get now before Spider-verse is over. Also Amazing Spider-man 30 first Morlun, great Campbell Cover and sleeper for sure.

 

does anyone know the issue where peter and mjs baby was born?

ASM somewhere in the 4-teens I think.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_418

This one hasn't heated up yet, but What if 105 first May Parker could be one to get now before Spider-verse is over. Also Amazing Spider-man 30 first Morlun, great Campbell Cover and sleeper for sure.

 

does anyone know the issue where peter and mjs baby was born?

ASM somewhere in the 4-teens I think.

Micronauts #8 continues to roll.

 

Why are you sorting by highest listed? Very misleading, like someone pulling up a chart of NFLX stock 6 months ago.

 

Not highest listed, highest sold, and not 6 months, 90 days.

 

The most important sales are the highest ones, not the ones that fall through the cracks or poor listings.

I'd say the most important sales are the mode, or what passes for it, as anyone can get a deal or made a poor purchasing decision. If you really think the high results are what's important, then the recent sales of Turok #1 at $6 and $4.50 means that the speculators from the '90s are actually going to make money on that, and we know that that isn't going to happen.

 

What's a "mode"? And have you ever sold books?

It's a pretty common mathematical term.

No because the early previews were like magazines, and just like how certain issues of warrior magazine can be encapsulated and some can not, the new era of large giant Sears catelog sized preview magazines means in this case, it doesn't matter.

It may matter to some people, but probably not enough, especially at this time, to make a significant difference in the hobby. The question is whether it will make a difference to people down the road, and my guess is no.

Micronauts #8 continues to roll.

 

Why are you sorting by highest listed? Very misleading, like someone pulling up a chart of NFLX stock 6 months ago.

 

Not highest listed, highest sold, and not 6 months, 90 days.

 

The most important sales are the highest ones, not the ones that fall through the cracks or poor listings.

I'd say the most important sales are the mode, or what passes for it, as anyone can get a deal or made a poor purchasing decision. If you really think the high results are what's important, then the recent sales of Turok #1 at $6 and $4.50 means that the speculators from the '90s are actually going to make money on that, and we know that that isn't going to happen.

I *would* have purchased more than one NYCC variant if there wasn't a limit. How could one go wrong at 2/$5.

I cannot speak to what you are saying because I am not an expert. If you are an expert, kudos to you and I stand corrected. I have seen all sorts of layouts on covers, so I was assuming they have a lot of control over the process regardless of artwork size. I guess they are just investing time into some covers? To be clear, I think they should work on all images to accommodate the artwork, Not for any particular reason for any one cover, like you wisecracked about, but for all cover art. I think its insulting to the artist what they did here, as I would if they covered up any artwork like this. It's sloppy, and lame.

 

That still does not take away that they intentionally placed the logo to cover it up. They can do whatever they like with the logo's, I have provided proof for that already.

Here's the thing: unless Manara had previously created the art and subsequently Marvel decided they wanted to use it for a cover (an unlikely scenario, I think), then Manara, as a professional artist with a commission, needs to understand the specs of the end use. This is commercial art, not fine art. (That's not an opinion on the quality, it's clarifying the end use, which involves the addition of elements other than the art in the final product.) I would think that any professional cover artist should understand that anything in the top third or so of the art is subject to being covered up by those other required graphics, unless some prior discussion with the client to move those elements elsewhere gives the artist clearance to use the area. I won't pretend to know what actually transpired here, but Manara didn't really leave much space to work with. I suppose they could have just plastered the logo over her face, because we know that's not the focal point he intended for the piece.

For those who are looking for the first appearance of Cowboy Ninja Viking an ad, here ya go

 

FTFY

 

Frankly, this is just fanboy porno . . .

This isn't quite the F-me pose that the Spider-woman cover is.

I'm a bit confused with the reaction to the Spider-Woman Manara variant. Were collectors thinking this was going to be a virgin cover (no logo)? If not, then where else could Marvel put the logo? Her body pretty much covers (vertically) the entire cover.

 

Sorry for any ignorance on my part or if this was previously answered.

 

Meck

 

 

I think people expected marvel to accommodate the artwork properly.

 

Marvel has been very liberal with where they put the title logo recently, either having the artwork go " over" the title, or making the logo smaller, or shifting it to one side, even at the bottom at times. In some cases making the artwork slightly smaller so its shown fully. It's not like it use to be where the logo stayed in the exact same spot for years on end.

 

They made no attempts to accommodate the art. All they had to do was shrink the image by 10% shift the title up and to the right, like they did on the Oyum variant and you would get most of the art. The could have also shrinked the art 10% and just threw the title to the bottom, they have done this before. They did none of this and planted the title right on top of the " controversy".

 

Looking at the milo variant, it's pretty darn obvious they were trying to cover up her rear. Its so obvious its laughable. I imagine the person in charge of the overlays just floating the title around saying things like " oops, too much crack, a little to the left"

 

Suggesting that it could be shrunk 10% assumes that the piece was not created with the final dimensions of a comic book in mind. If you shrink it, then the art doesn't reach the trim

 

This is the digital age. They could have made it happen, that's all im saying.

I'm glad you're not one of my clients. The computer is not a magic box. You can only work with what you have to work with. It's highly unlikely that the artwork was created with a significant amount of bleed, so shrinking it down 10% would leave a gap at the edges. So unless Marvel is going to invest the time to extend the image digitally so fanboys can ogle Spider-woman's , this is not a realistic course of action.

Geeeeze that is an awesome cover. Combined with a fact that it's a #4? =Pure win $$$$.

 

Is it better or worse than what is being posted?

 

 

DC overprinted

There's still 1,500+ copies in the Diamond system.

 

Cool AH! cover.

I bit.

Bought an extra 50 to rack w Finch's WW tomorrow.

 

My LCS had plenty of them today so I grabbed 10 copies. Ebay here we come!

Why does she have a hoof?

I'm a bit confused with the reaction to the Spider-Woman Manara variant. Were collectors thinking this was going to be a virgin cover (no logo)? If not, then where else could Marvel put the logo? Her body pretty much covers (vertically) the entire cover.

 

Sorry for any ignorance on my part or if this was previously answered.

 

Meck

 

 

I think people expected marvel to accommodate the artwork properly.

 

Marvel has been very liberal with where they put the title logo recently, either having the artwork go " over" the title, or making the logo smaller, or shifting it to one side, even at the bottom at times. In some cases making the artwork slightly smaller so its shown fully. It's not like it use to be where the logo stayed in the exact same spot for years on end.

 

They made no attempts to accommodate the art. All they had to do was shrink the image by 10% shift the title up and to the right, like they did on the Oyum variant and you would get most of the art. The could have also shrinked the art 10% and just threw the title to the bottom, they have done this before. They did none of this and planted the title right on top of the " controversy".

 

Looking at the milo variant, it's pretty darn obvious they were trying to cover up her rear. Its so obvious its laughable. I imagine the person in charge of the overlays just floating the title around saying things like " oops, too much crack, a little to the left"

 

Suggesting that it could be shrunk 10% assumes that the piece was not created with the final dimensions of a comic book in mind. If you shrink it, then the art doesn't reach the trim

The people that pre-ordered are going to be pizzed off......

When do you suppose one might expect books back that were submitted at NYCC without Fast Track?

heheh

 

I actually like the book a lot. I just think that not enough consideration is made to the fact its a cartoon character more so than a comic character.

 

Its hard to come up with a great analogy, but the first appearance of Harry Potter in comics for example would be a totally "who cares" type book.

 

Now this is better than that because harley's since become an important batman character in comics beyond her cartoon appearances, but still. Its a first appearance that isn't. I'd happily pay, I dunno, 350 for a 9.8 but to add a grand to that to get a copy? Overvalued IMO.

 

 

Does the first appearance of Master Chief in comics have any value? Does the first appearance of Tyrion have any value?

It's a cool book, I owned a copy and I love Harley(who doesn't.)

IMHO when a comic creates and introduces a character is a lot more important then when a comic book adapts a character who was created elsewhere. When a common book with an adaptation of a cartoon character goes for 4 figures, it is a little crazy to me. I wonder what percentage of fans don't realize she was created for Batman:TAS before BA12?

 

More important? Really?

 

I understand these are gold/silver, but first Buck Rogers, first Thor, First Tarzan, first Doc Savage are all keys and had "first appearances" elsewhere.

 

Marvel's Thor (which is the Thor I assume you're referring to), is a specific take on a mythological figure that very much first appeared in comics.

The Titanic sank

Grizzley Adams DID have a beard.

 

This doesn't even make sense. Is this supposed to be a joke?

 

*** Go watch Happy Gilmore.

 

Why would I watch an unfunny Adam Sandler POS movie?

 

Kevin76, spreading good cheer and sunshine wherever he goes

 

I'm being honest. God knows everyone else around here has an opinion about something.

 

Well, that's true of course. However, there's honest and then there's being a . I'd say you're proficient in both

 

That's not too bad. Plenty of people here are only proficient in one.

 

we need to talk about Adam Sandler SS - for example, what books could Adam Sandler sign?

Closest relevant comic I could think of:

Why does it matter if a character first appeared somewhere else if the interest in the character is in comics? Strain was a book first, but the comic is where people are interested in that property. Harley was a character on a cartoon based on a character that appeared in comics first. So, it doesn't surprise me that comic collectors value her first appearance in comics. Jimmy Olsen, Kryptonite, etc. all had their first appearance outside of comics too!

I think this is the key thing as far as Harley goes. DC is free to do with her what they want, whereas there are going to be restrictions tied to licensed characters. Even though Disney now owns both Marvel and Star Wars, I doubt Marvel has free reign to do with the characters what they want, because the property is more valuable as a movie property. (Actually most valuable as merchandising, but why quibble.) That, and that people who read Star Wars comics probably would choose more live action stories in lieu of comics if they had the choice between them.

Just like NM 98 was supposed to be a $1000 book by now...

 

I just don't see how all this hype is going to sustain itself without some kind of collapse.

In the last month, another 200 copies hit the census, 50 in 9.8, 70 in 9.6, and 40 in 9.4. You're probably not going to see that sort of increase in BA 12, as it wasn't even on most people's radar for speculation back then.

Also, copies of Tomb of Dracula #10 have been trending lately. Did I miss a movie announcement? This NM copy @ $167 & 56 watchers. I've been ignoring it because I thought it was just an issue or two bumping up in price but copies keep popping up on Lyria.

I remember that seller name popping up as one to avoid. Is it possible this isn't legit?

 

Darkhawk #1 CGC 9.8 @ $100 & 1 bid finally made the top ten list on Lyria as Most Expensive Graded Copper Comic on eBay today.

 

 

I sold mine a couple months ago for $115 off of E-Bay and people seem to get $125 or so on the boards. $100 would be low from what I've seen.

 

Smart move unloading a third appearance.

 

While the darkhawk preview is very arguable. Darkhawk # 1 will always be the book to own for him.

 

For anyone who collected during the time Darkhawk # 1 hit the stands, if they come back, and only buy one book, it will be Darkhawk # 1 hands down. It is like pure nostalgia on that book. It was one of the first " new" solo characters in the early 90's, and durning that speculation bubble, it was huge. He was going to be the new Wolverine. I think $100 is very sustainable. Sadly I only have my original two copies, both only in VF, and don't want to put up the $ for a 9.8 personally.

You are correct. Collector's will always want issue 1 over the Marvel Age comic and the Marvel Requirer comic.

 

I really like your placement of the word comic. I guess you could argue Marvel Age is a comic... at least comic format in size/staples. A preview comic if you may.

 

The Requirer however, is a comic shop news letter that is not comic sized, is not stapled. It is more like a newspaper. Calling this a comic just sounds desperate.

 

 

Calling the Requirer a comic may technically be wrong but I fail to see how it's desperate? I will tell you this though, I travel up and down the east coast hunting for comics and I see a lot of Darkhawk 1s in the trenches but hardly any Marvel Age 97s. At the very least it's a Darkhawk key. I'll tell ya what I'm desperate for, one of those comic newsprint publications by Marvel that just happens to be the first Darkhawk cover and appearance. I have never seen one.

 

There is one on the Bay right now brother, not looking hard enough.

 

I don't consider Ebay the trenches. I was talking about actual comic book stores.

If I ran a store I wouldn't waste space on items that only appealed to such a small percentage of customers, unless those items also had a very high return to make the use of that real estate worthwhile.