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18 hours ago, Pantodude said:

Total CGC pop for this price variant (UK) is more rare, or at least about as rare, as many key 35-centers.  Interesting.  I thought the super relative scarcity (compared to regular non-variant cents) was mostly just an early Silver Age thing.   Anyway, it livens up my PC.  

Are UK price variants really that rare? The market for Marvel Comics has been pretty strong in the UK since the 60's.

45K for a mis wrap?

A mis stake on the part of the buyer I would say.

Maybe its the fourth appearance in 'Marvel Time' not real time.

In Marvel Time Secret Wars 8 is the first appearance, even though in real time it was published 7 months after ASM 252.

Is there much interest in UK price variants? Are they as sought after and/or rare as the Canadian ones?

11 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

Given the number of raw newsstands in 9.4 or lower being offered/sold this past month, watch for significant changes in the next 6 months to the direct vs newsstand chart that Valiantman has provided.

With that in mind, would people expect the actual quantities of Newstand to Direct copies that were actually published be comparable?

Presumably the only real difference would then be the mentality of the person that originally purchased the book, with direct copies being sold bagged and boarded and generally better protected.

2 hours ago, Unstoppablejayd said:

Thanks-

X-men art is rarely cheap lol.. no a local dealer

Definitely a nice find. Not many pages pop up from the first Romita Jr X-Men run these days.

On 3/11/2020 at 5:30 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:

John Romita Jr

 

That is a sweet page! Love mohawk storm

I bet this one set you back a pretty penny...auction win?

The corners are not super sharp, so I'm guessing it would come back a 9.4

14 minutes ago, valiantman said:

CGC's fluctuating grading standards don't help values stabilize much either, since Harbinger #1 (1992) was nearly impossible in CGC 9.8 until about 2009, and now they're much easier to find (still selling for $700+), which is pretty impressive for a non-variant from any company printed in the 1990s.

Is there a specific reason for the lack of 9.8's prior to 2009?

I have quite a few pre Unity valiants that I have also never got around to getting graded. Is there something i should look for on the harbinger 1 that would stop it getting a 9.8?

3 minutes ago, valiantman said:

CGC 9.8 Bloodshot #1 is a consistent seller for $50, which is barely worth the cost of CGC grading (especially if it happens to come back as a CGC 9.6).

Prices were closer to $65-$70 when the Bloodshot movie was "coming soon" - but COVID killed the movie industry right as Bloodshot was released, and Valiant had a corporate takeover in 2018 by a company that doesn't seem to know what to do without movie excitement.

So at this point its still fair to say that Valiant remains pre Unity or nothing as far as desirable books go?

On 4/22/2015 at 2:04 AM, valiantman said:

According the article, there is an A&A movie in the works.

Not sure if that's with Sony.

Has the release of the Bloodshot movie had any effect on comic values?

I have long had a perfect raw copy of Bloodshot 1, but never considered sending it to CGC for grading. Might now be the time?

12 hours ago, valiantman said:

Controversial, of course, when there is any shift in the market that doesn't benefit everyone.

Those who remember newsstand books as "those beat up copies at the grocery store (or gas station)" are the ones most likely to value high grade newsstands vs. direct editions.

Those who have 99% direct editions in their collection are the ones most likely to say "I think barcodes are ugly, so I don't like newsstands".

At the end of the day, though, we just don't have much data right now since CGC has not separated newsstands and direct editions in their grading except for cases of different cover prices or different content.

ASM #300 being the most submitted book to CGC, though, there have been opportunities to "take notes" through the years, and this is a summary of what "taking notes" has shown us:

http://www.slabdata.com/blog/2020/amazing-spider-man-300/

There is no "across the board" application of ratios, though - because newsstand books were often very popular (and protected very well) when the direct editions sold out immediately at comic shops. 

ASM #252 and ASM #361 are not hard to find in newsstand, even in high grade, because both books sold out quickly at most comic shops, and the newsstand books were scooped up and went to collectors far more often than other newsstand issues of the same title.

 

Thanks for posting this V. Most enlightening👍

I don't know if its been mentioned in this thread already, as I am new to it, but I have a question on the newstand editions.

I have been reading that there is a big market this year in particular for newstand editions over direct editions on Copper books. Is that across the board, or on some books in particular?

Also, anyone have the numbers on how many newstand editions exist vs. the direct ones? 

Wow...I am so out of the loop I only just found this

Fantastic stuff Felix!!

personally I think issue 15 will ultimately command the respect (and prices) of KJ pages. Eventually, KJ, MM 15, ST 21, and Watchmen 4 (in my humble opinion) will go down as the 4 best single issues he ever did, and prices will be commensurate with that title. You heard it from me first, guys!

That is extremely unlikely to happen.

Killing Joke is a story containing Batman and the Joker, two of the most iconic figures in comic book history. Miracleman 15 is a story containing...

...well you get my point.

After reviewing the information presented within this thread, and provided to me by Glen Gold privately (thanks Glen), the description has been modified further, to adjust sentence, which now reads as follows:

 

"This issue is without question one of the most memorable Daredevil collaborations, with Frank Miller's conception of the layout enabling Klaus Jansen to execute the finished pencils and inking on this piece."

 

I think it is sufficiently clear now.

 

-Josh

 

I disagree. A newby could be confused since you don't say clearly that these layouts were drawn in a separate sheet. I think that you're playing with words. My 2ç.

 

Ferran, he's in the business of selling art. I think he's said enough here (no horse in this race, just feel things are getting a little nuts).

I think Ferran is entirely correct in what he is saying. Comiclink are, in my view, still attempting to cloud the issue. They have all the relevent information to hand, why not explicitly state it in the description?

I have no input on the price. But I like how Mark Hay has quit pricing them. The WD market is that insane

 

Oh and just to add a little to that this month is the first time I have seen exactly that "$Make Offer" on a panel page. Seems like zombie pages are priceless

 

http://www.splashpageart.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=25972&ArtistId=84&Details=0&Mag=Walking+Dead&From=TDetail

The prices quoted on the newly listed #110 pages seem a little on the high side across the board.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can refresh my memory -- as I recall, at some point, Miller started doing thumbnails for Daredevil, and Janson did pencils and inks on a separate piece of paper. As I recall, on later pages that Frank did pencil, he put some kind of mark on them, like his initials or something.

 

Did Frank touch this page? Or did he do a separate thumbnail that Janson then drew?

 

http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2Fauctions%2Fpreview.asp%3Fcode%3D2013may%26itemtype%3D1%26Artist%3DFRANK%2520MILLER%23Item_965549&id=965549

 

It's incredibly cool -- just curious how the composition occurred.

 

Thanks!

 

Glen Gold

From 'BACK ISSUE #21"

Daredevil #158-172

Tight Miller drawings (he also spots blacks i.e. indicated where black should and should not go), Janson inks.

Daredevil #173-184

Looser Miller pencils, Janson inks and spots blacks. 179 Janson starts colouring as well.

Daredevil #185-190

Miller layouts on small sheets of paper. Janson draws, inks and colours.

And then, 191 was Miller again on pencils.

I think it sells for $3-4K (the gov page)

It won't, as the reserve is probably at least $12K.

107 was a great Issue.

 

I really disagree with many people who think they story has gone full circle. I think that it's as fresh and unpredictable as it's always been.

But even you have to admit, compared to the journey the book took from 1-48, the path from 49-107 has been extremely pedestrian.

Greg probably feels that he will get much more later if holds onto the work. With the price increase of OA the last ten years, most artists probably regret selling their work. What do you think Totleben thought when he saw the MM #15 cover go for over $300k.

I don't think thats the case at all with Capulo's Batman run. It will never be hotter than it is right now, and in my view he would make some serious money selling the pages individually while the heat is on.

its a bidding war between like 3 people - you can tell from the bid history - the same 3 people are bidding it up - this isnt going to be an accurate reflection of the WD OA market - unfortunately the same 2-3 people are buying up all the WD OA..

 

I wonder...once those 2-3 people lose their pool of money (if ever)...will the market experience a lull...

The only sure thing is that they will all take a big hit when it comes time to sell.

thats a nice splash - and a fair price...I would have thought about buying that Phil.

 

Still - need I remind you about Abraham's death? absolutely terrible.

 

edit - ehh its on the high end of market value...its a nice well drawn double splash page - but still...1000!

 

it is pretty nice though

A nice page if you like art with no characters, no zombies and nothing happening. If you DO like any of those things, maybe not so nice.

In recent issues I had trouble distinguishing Glenn from Maggie. Just remember which one wears the ball cap .

Remind me again why there is such a clamor for the original art from this series?

As for the size of the artwork being an issue. it probably is to comic art collectors... But to the whole speculator comic book crowd whom I think is the majority of people causing the demand, Im sure the size of the art board isn't an issue.

I think you are dead right on this. After the speculator spike has ended, I can see WD art falling into three distinct pricing catagories:

Tony Moore art (highest)

Adlard large art (mid range)

Adlard small art (cheapest)

I also think the price difference between these three types will widen over time, with only the very KEY pages breaking out. And by KEY, I don't mean zombie or Governor appearances but MAJOR first apps, deaths and significant event pages. Probably only around a dozen or so pages would fit this criteria.