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Maybe Scott can chime in ?? @Catskillcomics

Does anyone recall the closing bid on ComicLink ??

It's too bad about that strip art. The artist (above all people) should disclose their process. If forced to use the word "art", some people (being generous) will call it "(the) published art". The colored version would probably called "production art". Whatever the process that is used, if that is disclosed, the market will set the price. There was a pretty good discussion on 1 of 1 prints: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/441899-is-anyone-here-buying-into-monoprints/?tab=comments#comment-10434837

Although the link is still good (and still contains "captain-princess"), the title has been updated to: Captive Princess.

Their youtube channel (Cartoonist Kayfabe) is great. So I've started with Ed Piskor ( https://www.patreon.com/edpiskor) and Jim Rugg ( https://www.patreon.com/jimrugg). Also, Dan Brereton ( https://www.patreon.com/danbrereton_nocturnals)

I follow Brett Parson.

Whatever planet it is, it looks like Buscema has the planet in the same relative position in those 3 recreations. But they're rendered differently. I think @Brian Peck said ( all of ?? )Buscema's recreations feature a -script signature (commonly seen in all those prelims). But in an honest-to-goodness published work (e.g. the Art of John Buscema), he'll print his name in block letters with a brush. https://www.instagram.com/p/CFKbaGwBPeo/

I think the art looks like it could've been drawn by Kubert. If it was Sgt Rock, well, it'd more obvious. If we had a drawing of a perfect circle, who's to say if it was drawn by Kubert or Frazetta ? When you're signing larger than normal, it's reasonable for the signature to appear different. My signature on a piece of 8 1/2 x 11 would look different than if I was signing large on a piece of 18 x 24.

How did you determine the eye would fit adequately ? I could see that if it was too small, you'd get a "beady eye" which might look comical on the Helosian.

And motion images around his hand and on the side. In the printed version, Daredevil's figure actually covers "The Man Without Fear!" but not in the original art. So... some work was performed in the production department to create the "published" version.

Spidey's left arm and hand look Kirby-ish to me.

ComicConnect.com has some excellent Partridge Family pages by Don Sherwood in their upcoming auction. Although sadly, no pages feature them singing. And no "bus" pages. Also, there was a PF page in one of the recent Dueling Dealers shows (don't recall if it sold). Ask Anthony if he has more !!!

When you kicked off the topic, one of the things you mentioned is art from comics based on TV shows have very low odds of appreciation now and in the future. So those may not count as the worst since they were never valued highly. Maybe "worst" (low future value) can be who may have the greatest fall in appreciation in the future? I think that's hard to say. But let's say it's Jack Kirby. He isn't call "The King" for no reason. Now, I'm mainly a DC guy. But I'm not all that familiar with Kirby's DC work. So I don't really have any nostalgia for Kirby (note, a few days ago, I ordered the Fourth World Omnibus). But even though I don't know the stories, I respect Jack Kirby because of his sheer output, contributions to how to draw comics (storytelling), character designs and longevity. Also, re: the "Stan vs Jack" question, I generally believe 2 person teams are usually divided by "brains" and "talent". I consider Kirby to be the talent. In another topic, someone posted this: https://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_Lee-Kirby.html Maybe it's "confirmation bias" but I think it's a great write-up. So Kirby's art is generally valued about as high as one can get. Can Kirby art fall in value ? Maybe, if demand falls. What could lower demand? Well, maybe tastes change and Kirby's style no longer holds as much interest, it's just viewed as a curiosity. Maybe the over-the-top melodramatic Marvel dialog (thanks, Stan) is considered so cringe in the 21st Century that those comics are rejected. Maybe MCU movies are so dominant that even the source material is ignored. Interest in the movies doesn't drive comics buying. People who go to those movies know Stan Lee. How many know about Jack Kirby? And as has been widely discussed previously in other topics... generational changes re: the general decline in collecting and lack of interest. So maybe (just maybe) Kirby art can fall in value in... 20 years ? Where does that leave every other artist (even the ones influenced by Kirby)? It doesn't mean other artists will go down to zero. It just means maybe Kirby art fell the most. So the general rule can be: the bigger they are, the harder they fall. How's that, @Rick2you2 ??

I heard a long time ago that Whoopi Goldberg was one of the biggest collectors of such items.

I really liked the part (around 26 minutes in) where Dinesh says he was embarrassed to put up some pieces on CAF because "they're such pieces of trash". Everyone has guilty pleasures, I think we'd love to see some of it.

Certain artists are objectively good / great. A few artists benefited greatly from having had really good inkers. Some artists benefited from having worked on certain titles / characters. Others benefited from being good enough or better than the average artist working at the same time. Or a combination. I'm not going to name names because... flying tomatoes. And most were just putting in their best effort (no judgement).

I think that was the general premise of the topic. Although maybe @Rick2you2 did not explicitly link aesthetics to value at the beginning. But later, he did refer to the other topic where "greatest" was sometimes linked to monetary value. And actually, I was expecting him to dump on D ick Dillin when I first saw he started this topic. Ha-ha. ----- I think we can all agree that looking at regularly monthly published titles, you're not going to get 12 "Killing Joke"s every year. You're not going to get a "Watchmen" every year. You're not going to get 3 "Dark Knight Returns" every year. You may get a certain level of art quality in monthly title but you probably can't get super broad nostalgia every month. EVERY issue of a monthly title can't be special. KJ, Watchmen and DKR were limited to a certain length because you can't maintain that stuff indefinitely.

I'm not making market predictions. I think it was you or maybe @ESeffinga (?) who mentioned the idea that art is generally more crappy than good. And I think that was in terms of aesthetics. I'm just applying that idea to dollars and cents.

If you put together "worst" and "value" (meaning worth), you get "worst value" ( $0.00 ). I'm sure an argument can be made for negative value. But almost all art is closer to $0.00 than the current all-time high price. There were so many publishers in the Golden Age. And a decent amount of the original art survives. But the great, great majority of that has very little value (objectively). The Golden Age exceptions include splashes, GGA and any art that features characters that are generally known today.

These names seem kind of... droid-ish.

Last call... 60 of 60 JASON TODD from BATMAN HUSH DC Comics original art by Jim Lee https://www.ebay.com/itm/203524836982?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5336399660&toolid=10001&customid=CAFSorted

# 58 https://www.ebay.com/itm/203520350637?hash=item2f62c219ad:g:5IoAAOSwvTRg6Nek # 59 https://www.ebay.com/itm/203521220011?hash=item2f62cf5dab:g:ceIAAOSwTMlg6hVn

Taking some measurements may be in order... 11-1/2 x 17-1/2 comes in 1.75" or 3.00" thick or 13-1/2 x 19-1/2 comes in 1.75" or 3.00" thick https://www.bagsunlimited.com/category/955/comic-art-storage-boxes

Maybe only because there was some tangential relationship to "Space Ghost" which Alex Toth did have a hand in creating. It's possible someone simply googled "space ghosts" which came up with Toth's name. Since the art was dated 1966 and Space Ghost also appeared in 1966, that someone (who maybe only had passing knowledge re: comics) decided to add Alex Toth to the auction description. Do the characters look the same ?? No. But you know, you google "space ghosts" and you have three of them over here... you have three of them over there... it's a match !! HA descriptions have errors on occasion. Some are more glaring than others. There was a similar topic a few months ago: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/470276-heritage-staff-vs-google-search/

That frost / frozen in ice look may be hard to match. Your most challenging project yet ??