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11 minutes ago, Aweandlorder said:

I can list you a hundred titles with name recognition to match said book (and many that are even higher) and with a print run half that size that havent exploded like this book did in the past 2 month 

This book's current value and trend is unexplainable

Ok, list 5 with a demographic and fan base as high as Rick and Morty.
It's really only fair to compare to other TV show/Animation based books though, the mass appeal is undeniable. It has over 600k live viewers per episode.  

Also it's easily explained, large fandom, extemely popular (mcdonalds is making szechuan sauce because of a joke they made), and it also was exposed on the ONLY comic show on cable. Easy math really. I get where you're coming from though, i'm not saying it's deserved value.

Rick and Morty #1a print run was 17,610

For the popularity of the show, that is tiny. I think a lot of people didn't know it even existed until comicbookmen praised it. Nothing too weird here, just flew under the radar while the show exploded. The #16 SDCC (Last of Us) variant is a sleeper too IMO.

Just now, Broke as a Joke said:

Why do only his incentives have any value?  You would figure a talented artist like 'Otto would light a fire on any quality cover he does regardless of print run.  

Well, as far as I know mostly all of his covers sell well. Especially less obscure, more popular titles. Rarity adds value, that's just how it goes with every popular modern artist, and comics in general. The "good" ones are all being held in peoples' personal collections and therefore don't come up for sale that often, and command premium prices. He has several (relatively) high print, high value books out there though.

10 minutes ago, Beamer said:

Is there any reasons why  New Mutants #12 is going up in value?

Nah, it's just a cool incentive cover. Are there any cheap D'O incentives left?

Though I really love this cover, someone pointed out the phallic helmet and I can't unsee it  

Kind of tainted the art for me a little  

Venom #150 1:25

Pure sex. I actually like the minimalism on this one, some may call it lazy.

10 minutes ago, Polirer said:

Still doesn't work for me, what is it?

4 minutes ago, deadleg said:

Wow! https://www.ebay.com/itm/252825385219 

Listing removed, what was it?

Nice! I just wish he signed books like he signs his art, his actual sig looks like he's writing you a prescription lol.

Also, I am pretty sure the relaunch/redesign killed this forum, modern at least 

4 hours ago, fastballspecial said:

Yes I saw that, but I thought surely not that many people are that ....

Nevermind

 

Normally I would agree, but I'm surprised Rick and Morty hasn't jumped sooner. It has a huge audience and huge potential because the book is actually good if you like the show. Not to mention the show is only on season 3 and has tons of life left, i'd hold one if I had multiples for sure. 

45 minutes ago, valiantman said:

At my local comic shop, it's probably 5% are 9.8 on the shelf.  Maybe 10% total after a press... 5% natural + 5% press.

The cover material is probably the most important factor.  

Squarebound cardstock covers and the chromium covers are probably 25% to 50% at 9.8 on the shelf.

My LCS is very small, a big order on a book for them is maybe 20 copies, outside of preorders. He man handles the books  and isn't a collector or flipper, just a reader. I mean, just pinch grabbing 10-15 books at a time, dropping them full height into bags, and tossing them, leaning forward onto the shelf.  

10% or less sounds about right overall for me too, and they are usually the middle of the stack books.

This says very little of nationwide percentages though, i'm sure big shops getting massive volume and careful staff may have 25% or better 9.8 candidates.

I'm just going to throw out a wild guess at overall print run percentage of 9.8 candidate books, just to see how my guess lines up later on. Based on lazily skimming modern 9.8 registries. Assuming average paper stock, not thick, thin or single solid color, i'd say probably 15-25% 9.8s depending on print run.

2 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

So what's the "art change" on the CBCS version ginger to be?  Deadpool flashing "Westside" in the background?  

We can only hope  , but no mention yet, they say details are still being hashed out. I would ASSUME a color shift of some kind.

The rumor mill regarding pricing on the ultimate version is saying $250

The latest from the Dell'Otto retailer trifecta; Frankie's, 7ate9 and Sadlemon.

Color: 3000

B&W: 1500

Virgin: 600

Ultimate: 250 (9.8 CBCS only) with special label, and "art change"

Looks like a couple have sold now, $30-35 on ebay. Dunno where sad lemon got that price point from. I could even see $40-75, but I hate when retailers try to ask secondary market value or beyond, especially on preorders.

Even if this has a pan flash like the Deadpool #25 Brooks 1:50, Gamora 2 Mattina, etc, it's still super high.

I'm sure people doubted HQ back in the day too. If Silk is in the Homecoming movie, does that launches her into the mainstream and change her fate drastically. Otherwise you could be right, but know knows what 5 years will do, based on the past 5 years or what??? Could go either way.

I'm curious too, as to why HQ =/= Silk, Ygogolak. As a relative newbie, what jtlarsen said makes sense to me as far as them being play-off characters. HQ obviously rules in popularity and stature comparison, just wondering.

I say yes, the art and rarity of certain books is what got me into comics beyond a hobby level. A few obvious ones that came to mind for staying potential:

Detective Comics 880 (Jock)

Seven to Eternity 1A (Opena)

Saga 1 RRP (Staples)

Batman Superman 7 Virgin Euro (Dell'Otto)

ASM 667 (Dell'Otto)

ASM 678 (Quinones)

ASM 688 (JSC)

Wolverine 1 (JSC)

Walking Dead 1 (Adlard)

The real question should be about the ever increasing initial cost of these books and market over saturation. Also, store variants, I think some will stick but it's too early in that game to know what's what. Once the dust settles 1-2 years past release we'll get a better answer to this question.

The hit to miss ratio is really bad but, the answer should still be YES overall. However, I consider "big" money for modern, non key "cover" comics to be $100+, assuming initial cost was $2.99-$30 so this may not apply to OPs question directly.

The very IDEA that visual artists might affect appreciation for a visual medium. NUTS, I tells ya.

I think it will only go up, this is the very beginning of X-23 in film, and I am SURE they will milk every last drop (see: existing xmen franchise). It may plane off and have it's ups and downs between movies but I doubt any "crashing down" will happen.

Edit: UNLESS they completely jack up the character and/or the movies are bad, I still see it being a grail though.

I wont comment on future value or spec value because....who knows.

But $80 for both variants is a really good price if you want them.

So that puts the 1:500 has a max of roughly 1,500 copies, and the 1:200 at roughly 3,600? Though it doesn't really mean that there a 1:500 for every 500 books sold, many stores didn't chase them, so the numbers are probably less than 1500/3600.

Doesn't seem so bad to me.

1A has something like a 6,600 print run, that's not too many to go around regardless, especially if the story pans out and we're in for the long haul.

The saddest thing is I really want to know which books are truly worth it, and these practices really cloud the picture. I do not know what percentage of hot books are created heat vs real heat.

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You mean, predict the future? The issue I see is, how do you spot the shills from the speculation before, or as it's happening? Not every single spec is some greater scheme or P&D, it's up to the buyer. Do you just think anything that YOU (generalizing) don't see as good spec? Is flipping bad? It's no worse or different than the stock market, it's basically penny stocks. Good buying judgement comes through trial and error, per person. People get burned and will always get burned especially at first.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. Truth.

So wait, even if you like the cover, you would not buy it because "x" store/site is involved?

You keep harping on pre-sales. The CBSI grading club IS PRE-SALES.

That's for a guaranteed graded 9.8 though, slightly different than random ebayers selling raw books. Not a bad option for store variants honestly, HOW they received Venom is the main concern here. Which, again, is not going to be confirmed either way. No one can prove they cherry picked, and no one can prove they didn't.

Again, the damage issue is NOT from Frankies but from the distributor. A poor decision from the distributor to send the books polybagged to Frankies.

Exactly, but I've heard several people swearing off all shops involved. I just wanted to counter point that's it's probably a one time time deal, and I've had a good experience with them so far, and say that mine arrived in better condition than most, though the color is probably a 9.4. Really unfortunate this is happening on their hottest book yet! I kind of wish for a partial refund, but don't want to ask because I understand it's just a crappy situation.

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