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Look at the two DD #38's. It seems that the grades from reputable sellers have a chance of stacking up but the grades assigned by the buyer from unlabelled sources are way off with VG's at best graded at 9.0

Some of the books look really nice and there are undoubtedly some cracking copies in among the lots. But the odd one that is palpably over graded will give many collectors a reason to pause I think, especially if they can't inspect or get any guarantees. Aside of the ASM #100 and #129, look at these two: NM 9.0 VF- 7.0 Tape on spine Examples like those, which are eye-wateringly over graded, call into the question the sellers grading abilities, as does the incorrect use of numerical numbering vs the written grade. It implies a lack of comic-understanding. You'd want the seller to do well of course, if they're up against it and being compelled to sell up. But I can't help thinking that this is isn't the optimum way to do it and, if there are reserves in place that match the estimates, I don't see much selling.

Shenanigans!

They'll be another 11 at least by the time you get to page 37. Just wait for the Snyder cut - 8,000,000 pages

I can save you the bother PooPiece, if you trust me. The 37 pages can be distilled as follows: This moderation rule exists: "Unacceptable behavior - 18 points, no expiration (like the old instant ban)" Someone has done some things which, according to the sane majority, warrants its use CGC appear disinclined to use it The usual crowd arrive to have their say and, in their own way, in a handful of cases, further illustrate the general absence of robust moderation activity and the ingrained leniency evident across the site We all inch a little closer to the day when CGC may say "enough is enough, this takes up too much time / costs too much to administer", closes the forum down and concentrates on Facebook and Twitter If Dylan's actions constitute "unacceptable behaviour", and there are no legal implications for CGC to worry about should they move to ban him, then what can we draw from CGC's failure to act? Is it because they are weak in the face of unreasonable provocation? Or do they allow this kind of thing to continue deliberately, as it strengthens their case for site closure if that is their strategic intention? What other reasons could there be, do you think? To dispel the conspiracy theories, a short succinct piece of communication from CGC / Moderation would make this all go away. Will it come? What do you think.

It doesn't make any sense on the face of it. Even with CPR in mind, an unexceptional 9.0 that sells for $1,400 (+ 20% BP = $1,680) when 9.4's with better page quality sell around the $400 mark is highly suspect: There are two scenarios that I can see. First, a non-comic familiar person, bored at home in lockdown, decides to relive his youth and before he knows it he's bid a book he remembers as a kid up far in excess of its worth. He doesn't know that of course, because he's just browsing, is wealthy to the point where it 'doesn't matter', and just bids away. But that would require at least two such people, wouldn't it, to unwittingly compete against each other. The second is that it's a dodgy market manipulation attempt. Is there a third?

Looks like I've got elements of this wrong, on closer inspection. Too focussed on what exists, and not what, specifically, is inside! For Gold Key, the NBS examples that I have seen repeat the original US indicia details up to a point and then add an additional data line to show the different printing location. Here's my Donald Duck #169 NBS copy and an example of the the US original indicia for comparison: It's essentially the same US data with the printing location amended and additional Filipino dressing added. Is it reasonable to assume that if the printers were prepared to amend the indicia, and retained the US publication date (March 1976 in this example), that that was the intended Filipino publication date? Turning to Marvel, we see the same thing - the faithful reprinting of the indicia wording up to the point of 'Printed in the USA' which is, logically, replaced with the NBS printer details and dressing. Here's Thor #246 to illustrate: I wonder if, for both publishers here, reprinting the US indicia date details was intentional, because that was the same intended date for publication in the Philippines - or 'accidental', because that aspect didn't matter to them. Only the printing location amendment / reprint wording was a legal requirement (I have examples of UK Price Variants with UK only indicias where a 'Printed in the USA' was hand stamped inside as it was removed - likely in error - when the US indicia was replaced with UK distribution details). Why would NBS leave in the US price and subscription details when they clearly would not apply to the Filipino readership? Is that an indication that they didn't even think about it and that, therefore, the dates may be wrong too? What do we think? Is there enough evidence here to indicate that these NBS copies were available to purchase at the same time, more or less, as the US original books that they reprinted? Or does it remain inconclusive, in this thread?

That's interesting Ganni, thanks. The indicia in this Gold Key reprint is not the usual faithful reproduction of the US original, with additional data to evidence the Filipino reprint status, that we see in the Marvel NBS reprints (as far as I can tell). The Gold Key example that I posted earlier follows the same pattern as this one - a rewritten indicia. Given that the Marvel NBS copies all seem to faithfully reproduce the original US indicias, could there be a difference between how each publisher was handled I wonder? Can we rely on those Marvel NBS indicia dates as reflecting the true Filipino dates too?

9.1, 9.3, 68.2.... What would you put on that ASM #100 Gary? 4.0?

I knew you were going to say that

Odd lot isn't it. Superworld and Metropolis stickers, some copies looking like they could be near the written grade, but others like the ASM #100 and 129, both without stickers incidentally, and likely foreign to the known dealer sets, so clearly overgraded it's embarrassing. Let us know what they say Albert, if you do ring.

Sorry Albert, when I guided you here I thought it was because you were selling something - my mistake, I should've asked more questions. This is the wrong forum for an 'are these auction estimates reasonable' type observation, so the mods may end up moving it to Comics General or something. Sorry mate. I saw those lots too and did find them a tad optimistic. You never know nowadays though, do you.

Assuming you mean items not being sold here on these boards, then here Albert: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/forum/19-comics-market-sales-advertising-ebay-dealers-etc/

Me Here's my old copies of ASM Annual #1 & 2:

If you ever come across anything local, let us know.

I was teasing a bit, androolx, based on a post I made elsewhere but I do like any debate about what these things should be called NBS use the words 'published and reprinted' themselves of course, on their indicias. Taking this example Ganni, Avengers #146, are you saying that the NBS book was available to buy in the Philippines more or less at the same time as the US version hit the newsstands? Apart from personal recollection, and for the Marvel NBS subset specifically (your Alemars details are noted), is there any direct evidence that this was the case? And, more importantly perhaps, why has the Scarlet Witch got a moustache in the Filipino copy?

Is that a scratch running through and casting a shadow on the 9 of the grade?

What the focaccia! Just ended at £876. I don't know what's worse, the fact that my one was better, that I sold it for a comparative tuppenny bit, or the fact that CGC have labelled it a bloody "UK Edition" Note: For the benefit of those reading expecting to see commentary on UK Price Variant prices, the above book is NOT a UK Price Variant. And not a bloody "UK Edition" either.

There was. I did it myself, during my old Spidey collecting days - sold off pence stamped copies to get the pure cents ones to sit next to the pence printed ones. Shoulda kept all three...

Are you pleased or disappointed Gary

Gotta love Charlton

Could be - bit late though, 1966, no? Sure, I just plucked it off the bay. I find all this fascinating myself so will be interested to see if any more cover dates materialise. I'll look every so often, see what turns up.

Mad world, isn't it....

That was constructive Eric!