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I think TTA16 was also mentioned:
Has the Thorpe & Porter indica:
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Thanks again BC. Two of these help. I'll add your comments to the table. They don't change any of the conclusions, but do further cement the patterns.
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spot the (tiny, tiny) difference
Is it the two cables missing at the top of the T and R ?
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30/09/17 - We may as well make this a home for all your Marvel Australian Price Variants so post them if you have them!
Hello.
Not sure if this has been covered already or elsewhere, but if anyone is interested in Australian Price Variants, here's a summary of which ASM issues exist:
Like the Pence and Canadian variants, these were produced at the same time as the US versions, with printing plate changes for the price / date details.
They're not often discussed, even by ASM completists, but I like them.
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Guys,
There are two discussion points within this thread. One relates to the existence of Marvel US originals with ‘L Miller’ distribution lines on the indicias, the other relates to Marvel Price vs Font vs Indicia Variants.
This post summarises my findings for Marvel Price vs Font vs Indicia Variants
Since I started this thread, I’ve been compiling examples using images from the web and placing them in summary tables in an attempt to establish patterns and answers. So far I have posted three summary tables:
1. Journey Into Mystery #58 to #69
2. Tales To Astonish #9 to #20
3. Strange Tales #75 to 86
The titles cover the dates May 1960 to Jul 1961.
It is very difficult to find images online of indicia data, so there are many blanks, but when I place the tables side by side, there are some reasonable observations that can be made.
Observation 1 – 10c Price Format Variants (No T&P Indicia) May to Dec 1960
I have found no 10c copies with a Thorpe & Porter indicia line for any issue dated up to and including December 1960. 10c issues exist during this period with Price Format Variations (White Price Box / no White Price Box), but in each example I have found neither version carries the T&P line.
Question – Why do US priced issues dated up to and including December 1960 have Price Format Variants?
Observation 2 - 10c Price Format Variants (With T&P Indicia) Jan to Mar 1961
For the period January 1961 to March 1961, every 10c issue I have found as a ‘White Price Box’ variant carries the Thorpe & Porter distribution line on its indicia. I have found only two examples of a ‘No White Box’ issue during this date range (both TTA #16 font variants) and these also carry the T&P line.
Question – Does every US original, Pence or Cents, carry the T&P distribution indicia line for the period January 1961 to March 1961? If so, why?
Question – Why does TTA #16 have two different ‘No White Box’ 10c price fonts?
Question – Why do JIM #64 & 65, and ST #81 have two different ‘White Box’ 10c price fonts?
Observation 3 – Apr 1961 to Jul 1961
For all three titles, I have found only one type of US cents copy for the months April to Jul 1961. None of the examples carry the T&P indicia line. The current indication is that the cents variations cease from April 1961. Only one Pence and one Cents type has been found
Conclusion:
As I see it, the variations are likely to have been all printed in the US as there is no evidence to suggest that copies were printed anywhere else. For 10c priced copies, I have not been able to find an example for the same issue number where one variation has the T&P line and one doesn’t. So the likelihood is that we remain with only two ‘destination’ variants – one for the US and one for the UK, as it has always been.
As I have not been able to link the existence of cent priced variations to another country that used cents and dollars, the assumption is that both were intended for the US market. The only logical conclusion I can come up with as to why there are cent variations for the US is that one of them is a subsequent printing.
Hope this has made sense – if you’re interested, print off the summaries and compare them to the above conclusions. It brings it to life.
Meanwhile, I’m going to continue to try to get someone in ‘authority’ to recognise the variations exist and, hopefully, help explain them.
Over to you guys!
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Strange Tales
Conclusions to follow....
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spot the (tiny, tiny) difference
One of them is graded.
Give up.
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spot the (tiny, tiny) difference
One of them is graded.
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Woody
I joined the boards for serious discussions on comics not this kind of thing. I'm logging off.
Aren't you being a little heavy-handed when you bark at us like that?
I wonder if he's holding a palm tree?
No, it's a weeping willow.
Because he was being "knotty"?
Yes, so much so that he said to 'leave it out' or he'd call the copse.
Bugger, that should've been 'leaf it out'. One out of two ain't bad I suppose.
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Woody
I joined the boards for serious discussions on comics not this kind of thing. I'm logging off.
Aren't you being a little heavy-handed when you bark at us like that?
I wonder if he's holding a palm tree?
No, it's a weeping willow.
Because he was being "knotty"?
Yes, so much so that he said to 'leave it out' or he'd call the copse.
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Chik chong, chiki chong, chiki chakka, chik chong.
Chika bak chak chakkin' and a bow wow wow
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Godzillaaaa!
And Godzoookey. ...
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Note that the #86 has BOTH the large 10 cent circle and the smaller price.
I spotted that yes. I'm looking for one with a 10c Circle and a 9d smaller price. That would be a thing!
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Woody
I joined the boards for serious discussions on comics not this kind of thing. I'm logging off.
Aren't you being a little heavy-handed when you bark at us like that?
I wonder if he's holding a palm tree?
No, it's a weeping willow.
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RE CGC, as I said earlier in the thread, with respect to them, they won't answer, because they won't know. These are new discoveries.
Remember too, the UK pence / foreign editions market as true variants is actually reletively young... CGC and Voldy still call them "UK Editions" but they use this term for both "pence variants" and genuine "UK Editions" (like Alan Class)
Yep, I get that Ewan, but CGC differentiate 9d from 10c as they are copies for different markets which is an important distinction for collectors. Any serious grading company would want all the facts to grade accurately / not mislead their buyers, surely.
If we can badger them enough to recognise the possibility that a 10c cover with a T&P indicia could itself be an issue targeted to a country other than the US, then we may get somewhere. I intend to keep asking them until they reply - even if it's just to say "please go away". If proven, CGC would be duty bound to recognise the variance. Sooner or later, someone will dip into this thread with an answer. I've been trying to find historic exchange rate data for 1960. No luck so far. Maybe T&P distributed for Australia too. The Web indicates that T&P had a relationship with that country. But then I find they went decimal in 1966 so weren't using dollars in 1960.
More thoughts tomorrow, once I've posted the Strange Tales chart.....
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Thanks Mysterio for all those lovely scans. I'll check them to see if any help the cause. Indicia scans will help, for the ungraded ones if you can
Ewan, I'm half way through a Strange Tales chart for the same dates. Will post that tomorrow along with my thoughts and conclusions.
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Price vs Font vs Indicia Variants
Latest charts below. There are patterns if you look...
No word from CGC after 5 days
Tales To Astonish
Journey Into Mystery
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uncommon...
"In the Wonderland Zoo, that'll be 20c to you...."
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I think TTA16 was also mentioned:
-bc
Hello BC - thanks for posting all those lovely covers! I really appreciate the effort
As my friends said, and assuming you own the books, it would be great if you could provide scans of the indicias, linked to each cover, so we can see whether they have the 'THORPE & PORTER' distribution line. I can then add them to my chart (see below) and we'll be able to see which font type has them:
On a separate note, I have written to CGC twice - once through the 'Ask CGC' function on these boards, and once through their website contact function. So far, no response. Let's hope they at least respond eh....
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Woody
I joined the boards for serious discussions on comics not this kind of thing. I'm logging off.
Aren't you being a little heavy-handed when you bark at us like that?
Maybe I did go off a bit half-cocked.......
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ASM #5 Green Spidey:
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Woody
I joined the boards for serious discussions on comics not this kind of thing. I'm logging off.
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FONT VARIATIONS
Here's the latest summary for JIM. I'll do TTA later in the week:
My posts will quieten down a bit from tomorrow - back to work......
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Check out this old thread I found - especially the photos on page 5:
There may be some board members here who could help us. I'll drop a post there.
....and a great video:
Journey Into Mystery #65 - Different 10c Price Sizes ?
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Cheers Ewan. Did the summary stack up in your view? I'm going to get a few more examples and then see where I can take it.
I did spot the 10c smudge. Just a printing glitch. Funny that the cables were missing too. I used to collect Spidey printing errors. Better not get me started on that one...some people think I've already scraped through the bottom of the barrel with the price format variations