MasterChief

On 9/13/2022 at 12:02 PM, lou_fine said:

Are you saying this was before Heritage's arrival on the comic book market scene and also before CGC's ever evolving and fine-tuning of their undisclosed grading standards over the years?  

  Kinda.

On 6/3/2022 at 3:52 PM, djpinkpanther67 said:

On 6/3/2022 at 3:04 PM, Ghost Town said:

A No-Prize for the first guy (or gal) who can list all the Adams PF covers. I think there are 7.

 

Av 93

Av 94

Av 95

Av 96

MS2

TOD1

Fear 11

Nice job, Thomas! 

There is another PF cover Adams had a hand in.

TOD#4 was initially labeled by CGC as Colan & Palmer art. But at some point, CGC changed their label art comments and now gives cover attribution to “Romita & Adams.” IIRC, the change was based on the Grand Comics Database which notes an Adams & Romita cover with the comment “Romita revised or totally redrew the Dracula and female vampire.”

On 5/5/2022 at 10:01 AM, sfcityduck said:

On 5/5/2022 at 9:52 AM, Courageous Cat said:

I mean, just sayin'

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Yeah, claiming something is a pedigree based on one cursive letter, seems the opposite of preserving provenance.  

Especially when there are distributor markings that are just one letter.

I must have missed something. When was the Detroit Trolley Collection determined to be a pedigree?

On 5/4/2022 at 1:53 PM, MasterChief said:

On 5/3/2022 at 12:09 PM, thewritestuff said:

 

This book is from the Bethlehem pedigree. Stamp on back cover is a dead giveaway. https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/pedigree/bethlehem/

Here's the Bethlehem copy of Adventures into Darkness #5.

It's properly designated as a Bethlehem. Back cover has the stamp, too.

How CGC missed the #6 as being from the pedigree is beyond me.

On 5/4/2022 at 1:16 PM, thewritestuff said:

Thanks for going through the trouble of digging that out. I'm no expert, but I think the two letters look to have been written by a different person?

Here's a Trolley with the "L" that looks similar to yours. (Unfortunately, it's not my book )

On 5/4/2022 at 12:52 PM, Robot Man said:

Here is a Detroit Trolley bought directly from the source.

That's a ringer for a Trolley. Nice book.

On 5/3/2022 at 12:09 PM, thewritestuff said:

 

This book is from the Bethlehem pedigree. Stamp on back cover is a dead giveaway. https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/pedigree/bethlehem/

This thread reminded me of the below...

Anyone know what became of this movie production?

On 4/13/2022 at 6:37 AM, G.A.tor said:

On 4/13/2022 at 6:15 AM, LDarkseid1 said:

Know I totally get it and makes sense. I guess it's not a weird thing to do, despite not being an 8.0 anymore. I just assumed the other 8.0 was the one that bumped until you said it was the church copy.

A little sleuthing. An 8.0 was removed from census. The church 8.0 serial no longer there, so had to be the church that upgraded to 8.5. Anyone could figure that out

First 8.0 appeared in census July 01, 2001.

Second 8.0 appeared in census December 30, 2014.

8.0 removed from census December 28, 2021.

8.5 appears in census February 08, 2022.

When you run the Church 8.0 cert number (1072525001) the book pops as an 8.5 graded January 10, 2022. Same cert number. Apparently, the original cert number was used for the upgrade. First time I've seen that. In the past when a book is resubed, the old number is zeroed-out and a new number issued with new grade/label. Interesting aside, the color touch is identified as "Restoration" in the grader notes.

On 2/15/2022 at 4:16 PM, sfcityduck said:

Bob once stated that Roger enlisted in the military before he turned 18.  To do so, Bob recalls that Roger needed his mother's signature.  Roger Dumas was born on July 21, 1931.  He would have turned 18 on July 21, 1949.  He likely would have completed High School at the end of May of 1949.  Consequently, it may well be that Roger enlisted at the end of May.  If Roger is "Junie," Roger would have been in basic training for June through August (in 1949, basic training lasted 14 weeks) - the same time period in which the "Armand" name appears on the comics.

Got a little bit of time yesterday to do more reading. Came across a piece that stated Roger first joined the National Guard (with mom's reluctant permission) then transferred into the Army. It also mentioned that it was Robert "who followed his brother into the Army and Korea to keep an eye on him", which, as you've presented, conflicts with the Heritage tale.

Also, picked through the collection more and came across two books with marks I'd missed. Each with the apparent quick-whip underscore. Thoughts are welcomed...

Oh, one more brainwave. Read a very interesting piece by the lawyer who represented Robert Dumas during his lawsuit with the Federal Government in the 80s. He goes into detail about witness testimony during the trail. In particular, the story of using maggots to treat Roger's side wound at Camp 5. Anyway, I found it admirable that he represented Robert "pro bono."

"One of my fears as a GI in 1965-1966 was to become a POW as I had lost faith in our government and military higher ups to protect us." --YouTube Commenter

I'm only into the Dumas story a couple of days, not months like sfcityduck, and many, many thoughts and emotions are running through my mind. At this point, I'm not even thinking of the books or a possible Dumas connection. Only the whitewashing of a disturbing story.

Being a veteran, with multigenerational family members who have served in the military and fought in combat (one of which killed during the invasion of Iwo Jima), I'm frankly dumbfounded, shocked, angered, and sadden to think that our government knowingly abandoned and left POWs behind. I'm still trying to process some of the things I've seen and read these past several days. The documentary film below, which tells the story of Roger Dumas, was icing on the cake today. It left me bewildered and speechless…

Missing, Presumed Dead: The Search for America's POWs
By J. Carlson, March 11, 2006
Video Librarian Review

Although America's armed services proudly claim that they "leave no one behind" during battle—and for the most part have done admirable work in getting prisoners of war home—some people ultimately "fall through the cracks." Narrated by Ed Asner, Missing, Presumed Dead tells the story of Roger Dumas—a POW captured by North Koreans during the Korean war—and the efforts of his brother Bob in trying to get the Pentagon to even acknowledge that his brother is a POW. Despite overwhelming evidence that Roger was alive in the mid-‘90s, Bob Dumas is rebuffed at every step by officials at the highest levels of government, including some current senators who are blocking any negotiations with North Korea. Combining congressional testimony, personal interviews, and historic newsreels to backup the allegations here, this film—which features Senator John Kerry, Senator John McCain, Representative Bob Dornan, and others—is sure to stir up a sense of disbelief and outrage in viewers over the callous and even devious handling of some American POW cases. Highly recommended.

Poking around on the internet today and came across 1992 Congressional testimony by Robert Dumas concerning his brother Roger and other POWs.

The lead in to his testimony begins at 2:19:50 with the closing of a contentious argument between Senator McCain and a witness, followed by the Select Committee Vice Chairman commenting on the discussion and then asking who wants to go next. Bob immediately shoots his arm in the air as if saying "I got something to say!" That begins at 2:32:19.

The Dumas testimony is mesmerizing and, at times, chilling. The portrait he paints with his Northeastern accent breathes life into the story.   

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NOVEMBER 11, 1992
Soviet Involvement with Vietnam POW/MIA's
Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs heard from a panel of American representatives of the U.S.-Russian Joint Commission on POWs and a panel of POW family members during the afternoon session of the second day of hearings on POWs from the Korean War and the Cold War.

On 2/17/2022 at 3:45 PM, sfcityduck said:

I think the last word "Jean" could read as "Jeanette" with the fragment being the letter "t"s or the fragment could be part of a cursive capital "D"

Appreciate the response.

It's plausible that the last letter fragment is a cursive "D" followed by a perceptible period mark.

Thus, the inscription would read "This book belongs to Jean D."

Cursive hand writing taught to primary school students in the 1920s - 1940s followed the Palmer Method, which gained prominence in the early 20th century. That method fell out of favor in the 1950s for other penmanship methods.

Below are two pages from the Palmer's Guide to Business Writing taken from the Library of Congress. The inside front cover and page 29, which contains exercises for capital letters. They are followed by the Batman #3 original and enhanced inscription cutout.

On 2/15/2022 at 12:39 PM, sfcityduck said:

If there is interest, I'll share additional information and my opinions.

Yes, absolutely share. Your heartfelt research honors the memory of both Bob and Roger.

On 9/23/2021 at 10:37 AM, Robot Man said:

Saddle Justice #6 is an OK book. Probably even a little low on most EC collectors want lists. Now, it is a 9.6, and one of the holy Promise Collection books that all the cool kids want. But anyone bidding $21K for it is either laundering money, on crack, or simply crazy.