spooncomic

On 2/11/2021 at 7:23 AM, comicginger1789 said:

I mean unless your shelves are in a dingy basement (where you should not store comics to begin with), I doubt they would ever affect the boxes. Even if they did after 40-50 years, just get new boxes....

Elevating your books is a good idea though. Even if it is just a couple inches, as most flooding does not go behind that (unless it is flooding from an extreme weather event). 

yes, thanks,

never in the basement, I have now a entire room in the house dedicated to my collection, dehumidifier etc.

and yes, elevating is a good idea, close to the floor is dangerous, I lose around 50 vinyl records to store in the floor I learn the lesson! floors have humidity/mold, so the 1st floor of the shelve should be high, with the enough space to clean the floor under.

41 minutes ago, xvipah said:

There's a thread in Comics general about people showing their comic room's.

One person had some shelves in there and when I asked about it, said they were these:
https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/shelves-shelving-units/steel-component-shelving/xtreme-garage-reg-53w-x-72h-x-30d-3-shelf-rack/1994061/p-1444422422055-c-9540.htm 

thanks, I'm going to search the thread,

but I don't have access to that, my local store have Whitmor or Seville.

I need store my white boxes in shelves, so Whitmor vs Seville? which is better?

https://whitmor.com/shelving/

https://www.sevilleclassics.com/shelving.html

There's no problem in store comic boxes in shelves like that? I mean that silver material don't affect the boxes on long term, corrosion on the metal or something?

I found some examples here to ilustrate the idea:

https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/3434/page/1/store-rack-ideas/

the Netflix show will increase the price on Sabrina comics?

this box are plastic safe for comics??? (heat, acids, gas, smelly plastic, etc can damage paper!)

they claims that are acid free but I just see normal pvc plastic, plastic is not good for comics.

But again, which tape or stickers WON'T leave residues after remove it? all removable tapes that I use leaves residues on the sleeve.

32 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

You're right of course Mr Spoon, I'm sorry. I should have challenged the intent of your post, not the way you said it. Please accept my apology 

No problem  I do my best learning english by myself. Reading comics helps! 

On 7/7/2006 at 12:23 PM, 143ksk said:

that leaves residues if you remove the tape, maybe people that use normal tape is people that store the comic in the bag forever and never read the comic, I need tape or something that can be easy removable without leaves residues.

On 10/28/2014 at 1:19 PM, B3AST said:

 

Beat me to it. This is what I use.

I buy that tape and I don't like it, why? leaves glue residues on the bag, I'm looking a tape or sticky that can be remove it without leave glue residues.

7 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said:

Once again in English please. 

meh!!!... who cares! my native language is NOT english, I bet you got my point and understand me, make fun of me is unnecessary.

to everybody to call direct to EGerber to order, YOU GIVE THE CREDIT CARD NUMBER to that guys? very risky! or how you sent the money?

even they don't have paypal, his site is old, no way to place orders, pay online etc. I can't believe that they ever think made a real ecommerce, it's 2018!!!

On 4/1/2018 at 8:42 AM, combiner1 said:

I use this black box for my special raws 

https://www.bcwsupplies.com/short-comic-book-bin

positive: 150 raw comics; has partition; lockable and stackable 

negative : $$$; a pain to assemble 

 

I have 3 boxes, and so far so good

no offenses but I just see a plastic box... they say Acid Free bla bla, yeah ! right , a lot companies claims things like that "Archival Quality" and is not true, I just see a plastic box and even worse due looks like plastic with color like the plastic used to make cheap trash bins. Maybe yes the sizes specially for comics and stackable is nice but the problem to me is the material, I don't see any archival quality there.

On 4/1/2018 at 7:25 AM, Hekla said:

I use a few plastic cases and am 50/50 on how i feel about them. Pros: as you indicate - they are very sturdy and you can see the first book in the case (as you can see in the photo). Cons: they take up slightly more room than cardboard boxes and this adds up if you have a few rows. Also, when filling them, the bag-on-plastic creates an almost frictionless resistance and books are always sliding down unless you hold them or have extra support. I don’t know if im explaining it well, but you can’t leave a half box unattended without the books sliding. This is really annoying to me. Lastly, I dont know what effect the off-gasing from the plastic does to the books. I assume since the books are in archival grade bags that helps protect? I’ve had these for a couple of years and havent seen any effects yet. 

about your cons:

1. yes well takes a little more room but by example those brand "really useful box" as you see in the pics is not too much, actually I like the extra space on the sides! of that way the comic not touch the sides of the box.

2. I think that I understand you, I think that "sliding" is because the floor is plastic, I think if you add a cardboard pad on the bottom not happens again due the cardboard on the bottom avoid the sliding, like a cardboard box.

3. "off-gasing from the plastic does to the books. I assume since the books are in archival grade bags that helps protects?" THAT'S BY BIGGEST QUESTION! I don't have that brand yet... (really useful box) I use Sterline Gasket Case boxes but I don't like due I see some "foggy" thing on.. I clean the boxes a lot but if I pass a finger I see a little fog on. Archivist always use real acid free boxes to storage documents, like this: https://www.archivalmethods.com/category/boxes they never use plastic, so maybe is for one reason!

this looks interesting by the way, https://www.bagsunlimited.com/product/7981/archival-comic-storage-box-11-x-7-34-x-8font-colorredbr-holds-up-to-80-comicsfont-colorbrblue-gray-corrugated-cardboard

On 3/9/2016 at 7:03 PM, stoddaro said:

Thanks Waylander, I will watch out for moisture build-up. Even with lids on there are still a few small holes in the containers so there will be some air circulation. I also plan to run an air conditioner in that room during the humid summer months.

add 100 gram of silica gel inside the box to prevent moisture. take care with add to much silica, silica can down the humidity too much an freeze the paper.

Maybe I can find an answer here: 

There's any problem with storage comics in the REALLY USEFUL BOXES? instead cardboard boxes?

19 XL it seems the right size http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/usa/html/onlineshop/rub/b19_0litreXL.php

really useful boxes are strong and squared and doubt that I have problem with water but in an accident can prevent water damages.

anyone use plastics cases and no cardboard boxes?

also cardboard cases can get insects and possible damage, you know is just cardboard.

not my pic but helps:

On 12/8/2012 at 6:57 AM, peas-migration said:

E. Gerber has emailed me and said they will have the No. 13 boxes back in stock as of Jan 4, 2013. But the new price is $75 for 5 boxes plus at least $15 shipping. So that means at least $90 for 5 boxes. Still cheaper than Bill Cole which has 3 boxes for $58 plus shipping. I have even gone so far as to ask Gaylord for a quote on making some boxes at this size, but they haven't gotten back to me yet with a price. They just cut the boxes with a laser cutter so if they have the pattern in stock it shouldn't be that big a deal. This is a huge price increase for E. Gerber.

Gaylord stuff is freaking expensive! I even more expensive for custom sizes. Maybe just museums can pay his prices.

anyone has tried this box: http://www.bagsunlimited.com/product/7981/archival-comic-storage-box-11-x-7-34-x-8font-colorredbr-holds-up-to-80-comicsfont-colorbrblue-gray-corrugated-cardboard

Actually is BETTER store a comic between TWO real acid free FullBacks like a sandwich and store that in a real paper conservation envelope/folder, yes! all storage between papers! not plastic. Again yes you can't see the cover but that's the real way to preserve paper and avoid damage for years, like posters, book collectors do, after all remember comics are MADE OF PAPER!!! are the same thing than posters, photos, books etc.

Read this about paper conservation: 

I hope the owners of this forum no band my comments due they don't they have a biz based on encapsule comics.

Many lough at me, here's another proof of the problem of storage paper in any kind of plastic sleeve.

that is cause for the plastic cases and that can cause damage on paper, due the paper encapsule can't breath! 

that's the problem with storage paper in plastic sleeves, any serious archivist knows that.

remember paper needs breath, acids on the paper are present, temperature and humidity also can freeze the paper etc.

again the only way to truly protect a comic is storage in other profesional papers etc. but of course NOBODY like that because all want see the cover arts and have a number grade on the top, yes looks nice! but that's not the best way to protect paper.

6 hours ago, Domo Arigato said:

 

Everybody in here needs to just shut the hell up!  Just shut right the hell up!!!

I used the EXACT same method to store my comic books.  I even take it a step further by wrapping one of my Magnum-sized <winks at the ladies> condoms around the box for extra protection. 

Same method? or you're just bothering me? If it's true, my question is: you don't get any damage for use the plastic box? thanks.

On 7/16/2017 at 9:48 AM, VegasJeff said:

Spooncomic I'm curious where this high humidity place is that you live. What city/country are you in?

I grew up in ultra-humid Central Florida where it would reach 100% humidity and rain every day in the summer. I currently live in Las Vegas where it is ultra dry and it is usually around low 20% humidity. So I've seen both extremes and can offer a lot of insight in regards to preserving collectibles. 

I see you have done a lot to improve the situation which is really good. I think your biggest problem was keeping stuff on the floor. Many comics have been ruined by being stored directly on the floor. Getting the silica is a pro preservation technique for humid or closed environments. 

The only thing I might be leary of is the closed air tight plastic box. One one hand, they are good to protect stuff from bugs, dust, mold spores, etc. But on the other hand, they could cause an issue because of condensation in a humid environment. If your house is climate controlled and stays relatively cool I don't think it will be an issue. However, I think it will become an issue if you ever move this box into say a storage bin or somewhere that is not climate controlled. The silica will help in regards to that but I don't know what the limits of Silica are. Something to think about. 

I've never had an issue myself from humidity with comics being stored in poly bags. I still own Action Comics#600 which I bought as a kid nearly 30 years ago in Florida. It was one of the first comics that I bought in a comic store. It was kept in a poly bag with backing board for the first 5 years or so. Then I switched out the poly bags to mylar. So that comic is currently sitting in the same mylar I put it in 25 years ago. The mylar is still crystal clear and the comic still looks really good. 

 

 

thanks Jeff! I respond to you,

but first to others that even make some jokes about where I live and so on...

first I talk a lot humidity but that is beyond the topic, I even should't mention that but well is part of the whole thing.

1. First I want to be clear again, I'M NOT BLAMING MYLAR! (My Archivist contact does), I just saying! IN THE CASE that you have humidity problem like I had, the MYLAR or any plastic bag is not good because mold spores can destroy more fast the paper because the thing can't breath. I'm not saying "IF YOU USE MYLAR! you will get humidity", Is clear now?.

2. Now, yes! my archivist contact told me that any plastic like mylar, poly or any plastic is not the best for paper, is better use other papers for preservation of paper. I talk to him this week, I want a deeper response from him.

3. Like Jeff say, the humidity increase of decrease depends of the zone and depends of the month of the year, and that IS NOT GOOD FOR PAPER, the KEY is the humidity will stay constant, 45% to 55% is healthy for paper, so even that all make some jokes where I live if you don't keep the humidity in that range you can get humidity or dry on paper.

(by the way I live in Costa Rica, humidity vary depends of the month or day hours, like in every part of the world).

I check weather around some places, right now (just have in mind that humidity is always low INSIDE YOUR HOUSE vs the reports) by example right now:

Costa Rica 75% (but inside my home the meter says 58%)

Florida USA 66%

Las Vegas 24% (wow yes! that is too low)

New York 70%

some of europe, berlin, italy, england, around 55% right now...

4. Show that numbers I want to show some test, some joking also about my double box approach + silica gel, I don't know why, maybe looks like overkill or something but come on! is just a plastic box + cardboard box + silica gel, that is and why? let's go to show some test numbers:

a. Costa Rica weather right now is 75% (but inside my home the meter says 58%):

75%

b. Humidity meter in my HOME and meter OUTSIDE the plastic boxes:

58%

c.  Humidity meter in my HOME and meter INSIDE the plastic boxes WITH SILICA GEL:

39% 

(yes! like you see the plastic box + silica gel KEEPS THE HUMIDITY IN 39%, depends of the silica quantity you can increase or decrease, that's great, so no matter what happen in my room or outside the room or no matter if it's winter or summer, the humidity is the same and constant due the plastic box + silica gel approach). That's the point, also plastic box prevent water, (I don't have any issue with water disasters but... helps).

I found this pic online of a water disaster, 

OUCH! that hurts! maybe was because he vote for Hillary? LOL, no seriously poor collector 

Now maybe some say "why you use a cardboard box too?????" well is just because cardboard box is firm and all comics stay vertical, also I feel prevent that everything is in contact with the plastic box direct.

5. Jeff, yes I was too stupid and store comics in just cardboard boxes and mylar sleeves in the floor, with no dehumidifier, no silica, no plastic boxes... I bet that was my problem, so after 2 years I open that and sadly I found mold inside the mylar and foxing on paper of course :(, now with my new approach I expect don't have that issue anymore. Also yes! I even think that "mmm the plastic box is healthy, can cause more high temp or something, but the temp is the same inside the box and outside the box, also when I open the thing due the silica gel everything smell so fresh. 3 months has pass since and I still don't see any issue, I constant check, also I open the boxes constantly and put the dehumidifier, also I add air with a fan to move the air inside the boxes.

6. Is funny my sister also collect vinyl and books, in her room (same home) she store everything exposed in a shelves, no boxes, no mylar sleeves and all his stuff are ok! so yes I bet my issue was had everything in the floor during long time, but I bet that sleeves increase that damage, like I say due the things can't breath, in a humidity problem like that I feels sleeves are not good, (again IN THE HUMIDITY ISSUE, I don't saying or blaming mylar to cause humidity).

7. to conclude, I bet many here think that I do is overkill or something crazy... again is just a double box + silica, I bet a lot comics collectors don't care anything like that and just store everything in a box in the floor and that is, without any control of humidity. I think I'm not crazy, I made something like the Dry Box like photographers do for his cameras. Anyway if someone see an issue of my approach! please tell me, I open to ideas or improve.

8. For Bomber-Bob, I collect singles too, and I use gerber mylar sleeves + backings, see:

8. Last, I return later with a response of my archivist contact.

thanks!

1 hour ago, VegasJeff said:

Spooncomic where were you storing your comics? 

I would also be concerned about potential health issues if mold spores are that big of an issue.

Thanks for ask!

A recap of my methods to storage:

In the past (Humidity Days) I just use BCW boxes but I stupidity put those boxes in the floor, around 2 years and I don't have any humidifier in the room, Comics are inside eGerber mylar + backings Gerber's. I not live in USA so the humidity is high around 70% 80% here. So yes sadly after 2 years I open the boxes and voila! mold around, spores of mold inside the gerber mylar etc, again I bet if I just not use any plastic the problem was be less.

Again I'm not saying that mylar will cause the humidity but HOLDs more the humidity due is plastic. Make sense to me. Humidity is evil... can pass a sealed flap or anything!

NOW! I do this:

(of course I sent to trash all sleeves, those have a lot mold)

1. I buy a dehumidifier for the room, I use it around 2 per 3 hours per day and humidity goes to 40% in less than 30min.

2. I buy new BCW boxes

http://www.bcwsupplies.com/cat/comic-book-storage/comic-box/comic-book-short-storage-box

but! I do some test, I add a humidity meter inside the boxes EVEN with SILICA GEL and the humidity is the same Inside the box as a Outside, so the box of course not make any difference, the silica helps! but don't down the humidity to 45% to 55%.

so! how can really down the humidity and keep it constant? here's the thing:

3. I buy plastic boxes from Gasket Box from sterilite to storage the cardboard boxes! (yes and box inside other box, is not an overkill and I explain why):

http://www.sterilite.com/SelectProduct.html?id=802&ProductCategory=305&section=1

(The 32 Quart Gasket Box offers a gasketed seal to safeguard items from both air and moisture) they claims that but bla bla... but here's the real thing to really down and prevent the humidity:

I add 200 gram of silica gel inside the plastic box.

and add a humidity meter inside, and VOILA!!!! the humidity goes down to 45% to 55% (even you can play with that, depends of the quantity of silica, down or up).

yes! with that plastic boxes + silica the humidity down, with JUST cardboard boxes the humidity DON'T down.

also the boxes are not any more in the floor, I have a rack.

HERE'S A REAL pics of the "double" box thing with silica etc:

by the way, take care of the amount of silical, if you add to much, humidity can down too much and dry the paper! I think 45% to 55% is perfect for paper.

NOW! I just think if sleeve everything again with mylar or make my own sleeves with preservation paper, due the archivist tell me, actually the say me something like this:

"longterm, you should avoid any plastic contact not only with the vinyl but contact with any paper (comics) and cardboard as well, As long as the collectables are protected from accidental splashes of water etc. If you have good boxes you should get rid of the mylar, poly etc... they look great! yes! but they are really bad products for paper"

I feel that now I even I use mylar or not, I never get humidity again, as you see I'm controlling everything with a meter, silica, boxes etc.

thanks.

By the way, I MYSELF be amazed and I put on doubt at first what that expert say, I use mylar sleeves because of course things looks great, but after talk more with him, things start to make sense in favor of use just paper to storage and avoid any kind of plastic.

Anyway I stop to replay until I show this to the archivist expert. Maybe I can learn something more of all this, because I my self wants continue use mylar sleeves, all looks great.

5 minutes ago, jcjames said:

What you not understand? Humidity is problem, no mylar.

Cut to the chase - just post your link to whatever you're selling and be done with it.

 

Read my previous replay, I respond the same thing to other member. To resume my previous response: "YES! I know that I had a humidity problem but thanks to that, I notice that Mylar Sleeves can HOLD more the humidity and spores inside, if I had use just paper I bet the damage will not be too much" for that reason I contact an archivist expert and he told me that any plastic on the paper, with humidity OR NOT HUMIDITY is NOT good for paper.

Again, I contact again to he himself READ this and he respond.

Last thing, Selling what??? I don't get it... I'm not selling anything. Is just a discussion.