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Chicago Mirror #2 Published by: Mirror Publishing; Contributors: Jay Lynch; Peter Green; Skip Williamson; Art Spiegelman; Gilbert Shelton; Robert Crumb; Wally Wood; Date: 1967; Price: 25 cents; Page Count: 16 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 445; Print information: one printing; copies unknown Chicago Mirror #2 is even less of an underground comix than the first issue, but still manages to provide a few entertaining flashes. Included are letters from some notables concerning the first issue.

Chicago Mirror #1 (first printing) Published by: Mirror Publishing; Contributors: Jay Lynch; Peter Green; Skip Williamson; Art Spiegelman; Date: 1967; Price: 25 cents; Page Count: 16 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 444; Print information: two printings; first (matte stock); second (glossy stock) After Zap Comix, the Chicago Mirror trilogy occupies the second highest position within the hierarchy of early underground serial publications. Although not a true underground comix publication, as pointed out by the Kennedy Guide, its gang of contributors would quickly go on to produce such important standards as Bijou Funnies and Arcade.

Meat Cat (red limited edition version) Published by: self published; Contributors: Steve Lafler; Steve Beapre; Date: 1981; Price: one dollar; Page Count: 28 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 1237; Print information: one printing; four or more variants; 1,000 copies total I am a sucker for anything with a silkscreen cover and would love to get all the cover variants of Mean Cat, but only have managed to the limited purple cover variant to date. According to Kennedy there were three different covers: "regular" green/black cover; "regular " purple/black cover; "limited edition" cover. I believe that Kennedy did not get the full story, so he was unable to post it in his guide. I have seen a third variant of the "regular" cover - blue and red AND the limited edition has at least three different versions( green, purple and red). What really puzzles me is Kennedy's lack of explanation of the run breakdown of all four variants. I read his citation as 1,000 copies total between all the variants. This yields no clue if and how much scarier the limited editions are over the regular covers. The Fogel Guide also sheds nothing extra beyond Kennedy. In an attempt to nail down the facts, I managed to contact Steve Lafler and specifically asked for a print run break down, but all I got in response was that "the limited editions are extremely rare". If you know the answer to how many variants were produced and how many of each were produced then please share.

All Slug Comics #5 Published by: Graphics Story Guild College #5; Contributors: too numerous refer to image below; Date: 1976; Price: no cover price; Page Count: 44 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 1816; Print information: one printing; 585 numbered copies All Slug #5 supports the premise that in a lot of cases an underground by another name is a fanzine. My copy and some others that I have seen come with a "signed" and numbered certificate of authenticity.

Tales Too Tough for TV #4 Published by: self published; Contributors: Jamie Alder aka Bill Shut; Wayne Gibson; Jim Ryan; Richard Pettibon; Clay Geerdes; Date: 1982; Price: 75 cents; Page Count: 8 pages Size: mini, (4.5 x 5.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: unknown I believe that Alder completes his TTTV series with issue #4 that was too late to make the Kennedy guide. If a subsequent issue was produced I have yet to come across it.

Tales Too Tough for TV #3 Ad Supplement Published by: Happy Times Productions; Contributors: Jamie Alder aka Bill Shut; John Valandingham; Wayne Gibson; Rick McCollum; Eric Vincent; Bruce Chrislip; Curt Metz; Jim Valentino; Chris Rock; Brad Foster; Douglas Bryson; Date: 1980; Price: giveaway; Page Count: 16 pages Size: mini, (4.5 x 5.5); Kennedy #: not listed but cited; Print information: one printing; 200 copies by deduction Those participating with the production of Tales Too Tough for TV #3 were given a reward/incentive with some ad space in an accompanying ad supplement. Kennedy follows his own rule and did not give the ad supplement its own guide number, since it (according to Kennedy) it was never sold on its own. There's something a little fishy about this, since I have yet to see a copy of TTTV #3 sold with its supplement or offer an explanation why the number of supplements offered for sale is scant when compared to the total number of TTTV #3.

Tales Too Tough for TV #3 Published by: Happy Times Productions; Contributors: Jamie Alder aka Bill Shut; John Valandingham; Wayne Gibson; Rick McCollum; Eric Vincent; Bruce Chrislip; Curt Metz; Jim Valentino; Chris Rock; Brad Foster; Douglas Bryson; Kelly Alder; Date: 1980; Price: one dollar; Page Count: 20 pages Size: digest, (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: 1974; Print information: one printing; 200 copies Another issue, more friends, more pages and a surprise (see the next entry).

Tales Too Tough for TV Too Published by: Bill Shut Television Publications; Contributors: Jamie Alder aka Bill Shut; Kerry Alder; Jim Valentino; Chris Rock; Brad Foster; Douglas Bryson; Date: 1979; Price: 50 cents; Page Count: 12 pages Size: digest, (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: 1973; Print information: one printing; 200 copies Jamie Alder continues the second issue of series with the support of some well known friends.

Tales Too Tough for TV Published by: Bill Shut Television Publications; Contributors: Jamie Alder aka Bill Shut; Kerry Alder; Date: 1978; Price: 75 cents; Page Count: 12 pages Size: comic, (7.0 x 8.5); Kennedy #: 1972; Print information: one printing; 200 copies If this thread has inspired you and you were thinking of starting a little collection of your own, then I would recommend that you consider collecting the Tales Too Tough series. It's not too rare or costly and is a nice representation of the newave movement within the larger underground genre.

All About Alice Published by: self published; Contributors: Al Greenier; Date: 1976; Price: no cover price; Page Count: 8 pages, unbound Size: mini, (4.5 x 5.5); Kennedy #: 38; Print information: unknown A straight, photo collage, dada-zine from one of the most experimental mini creators of the era - Al Greenier. I would suggest that Kennedy gave a lot of weight to who the creator was rather than focusing too much on what type of book it is, when deciding whether to list All About Alice in his guide. There are piles of similar material from countless non-underground artists that would never make his guide.

Sold an unrecognized Snatch #1, first printing - Ouch! If there's any underground/newave book that I have posted or that you had in mind that wish to have more information about, then just send me a PM! I would love to help and encourage someone else to get into the hobby, including buying something on the market (like eBay) at a fair price. Or as mentioned before, www.comixjoint.com is a great resource for learning about the better known UGs (it's out-of-date concerning Big As* Comix #1, Freak Brothers #2), but it could have helped you with Snatch #1. Eggs (Howard Greber) was pretty active on the headcomix wiki and many of that gang are still active on the unofficial underground thread (started by Guy B.) found on this very forum. I happen to enjoy the obscure end of the hobby, but you do not have know all the "minutia" to start collecting. Just ask, most of us enjoy sharing.

Thanks, you get one of the main points of this thread: its not all Freak Brothers, Felix the Cat Ohh, that's too flattering coming form a super-collecting veteran like you. But that's simply untrue. Nearly everything that I know comes from: sharing with other similar minded collectors and learning from the: unofficial underground thread, the headcomix wiki, comixjoint.com etc. and the bible itself: the Kennedy Guide. Numerous collectors other than myself, have way better collections and/or know a great deal more than I do, but we all have to start somewhere. Plus there are another group of collectors who have fantastic UG collections and/or who practically know everything, but choose to kept to themselves and rarely come into the light. Sadly, there its seems that there aren't many of us, who are passionate items that are past-the-Crumbs or the pictured-in-the-Kennedy guide. I am glad that you took the time to browse and comment. Spread the word.

Hello Guy, you are correct. There are a lot more inserts than listed in my post from yesterday. There were comics, posters, maps, tickets etc. But most of those inserts did not have their own Kennedy number. I am just trying to only focus on Kennedy listed comics/packs that also had a Kennedy listed comic insert. The individual Maus booklets are inserts but do not have their own Kennedy number, because they were never intended to be sold separately. The Dirty Plotte is post Kennedy as is Corpsemeat. By paying attention to these would cut down on the total number of items one would have to purchase - just buying Jam Pak and the Ground Zero Portfolio would save someone from hunting down 13 individual listed titles Or in my case, if I had bothered to read the guide description before buying "Overload #4" (Kennedy 1471), I would have made sure it still had its "TY" (Kennedy #2083) insert before purchasing it. Now I have to down a copy of "TY".

Hey, buddy this is an underground thread. Should read as "kulture" and "kontext".

I tried earlier in this thread to compile a list of underground/alternative comix that had an insert (whether it was a poster, record, program, map etc.). I think that it has limited value, so I decided to simplify things and concentrate on paired comics that both have a Kennedy number. I am usually ticked when I forget to check the guidebooks or my notes and purchase something without its comic insert. I just noticed another today! Here is a listing of Kennedy listed inserts with their corresponding Kennedy listed carriers. So far there are only four pairs of comics (one inserted into the other) and two collection packs (number of comics sold together in a collector's pack). One of these days, I am going to have to read the guide from start-to-finish! I guess that Kennedy listed things twice, when an item was also sold separately beyond being an insert. Please note: Kennedy did not associate Tattooed and Kozmik Star as being together, this comes from Andy Nukes on his michaelroden catalog website.

Joint Effort (California and Chicago versions) Published by: California (Jim Valentino); Chicago (Gary Whitney); Contributors: Jim Valentino; Gary Whitney; Date: 1980; Price: no cover price; Page Count: 12 pages Size: digest, (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: 1073 and 1074; Print information: one printing; 100 copies per version A neat double artist jam by mail that was done as two distinct versions. The Chicago version is pale yellow in colour and was sold by Gary Whitney in his hometown of Chicago. The California version (managed by Valentino) is white in colour and has a reversed order from its sister counterpart. It is interesting that Kennedy decided to grant two separate guide numbers to both sub-versions in his guide. Also of some interest is that the Chicago version is bound by a single staple and the California version is unbound - in my copies.

Fungus Published by: Gahd Daemitt Publications; Contributors: Leslie Cabarga; V. King Date: 1969; Price: 50 cent; Page Count: 12 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 796; Print information: one printing; number of copies unknown Fungus is an early high school effort by Leslie Cabarga and may be his earliest "published" work. It is definitely an underground with an uncommon silver age publication date.

Pork Roast (first and second printings) Published by: UBC Fine Arts Gallery (first); Pink Primate Projects (second); Contributors: Avis Lang Rosenberg (editor)Allison (curator); many artists see credits below; Date: 1981; Price: no cover price (first); $2.95 (second); Page Count: 84 pages Size: magazine, (7.0 x 10.0); Kennedy #: not listed; Print information: two printings; copies unknown If your underground comix collection contains a substantial amount of adult-only, inappropriate or plain misogynistic material, you might consider adding a copy of Pork Roast to your collection and possibly avoiding both you and your collection being sent to hell. As the secondary title states, Pork Roast features "250 feminist cartoons" from various contributors from around-the-world as part of a gallery retrospective that was held in 1981 in Vancouver. Its reprints material from some well known underground artists, including Jay Kinney, Aline Kominsky (aka Mrs. Crumb) and Trina Robbins. Pork Roast had two back-to-back printings with some easy to distinguish tells: Pink Primate Projects publishes the second edition - stated on the fourth inner page with two distinct publication dates the first edition has darker magenta pigs on the front cover, while the second edition has lighter pink pigs the second edition has a price of $2.95 printed on the upper back cover

The Drawings of John Colton, vols. 1 and 2 Published by: Duplex Planet Productions; Contributors: John Colton; David Greenberger; Date: 1979; Price: no cover price; Page Count: 20 pages Size: mini (4.25 x 5.50); Kennedy #: not listed; Print information: 50 copies per volume David Greenberger is a self-described collector of the past and stories of old people. While working a residential facility in the late 70s, he befriended an elderly, ex-prizefighter named John Colton (picture below). Because of his career, Colton had sustained progressive neurological damage and enjoyed drawing as means to alleviate some of the symptoms. Greenberger decided to capture his life story in a two volume, mini set that only featured Colton's drawings. These are definitely not underground, newave or even meet of the definition for most as being a comic, but these are definitely compelling and tell us lots about both Colton and Greenberger.

Dusty Rack Dramas Published by: TL Comics; Contributors: Bruce Shane; Date: 1976; Price: 50 cents; Page Count: 28 pages Size: magazine, (8.5 x 11.0); Kennedy #: 650; Print information: one printing; number of copies unknown I personally would have liked Kennedy to have provided a colour image of Dusty Rack Dramas in his guide. To me its cover just oozes "underground". Bruce Shane described his project as "a disaster" and is probably the reason why copies are not frequently found in the marketplace - they never were sold or permitted to enter it.

Yummy Fur #1-6 (first and second printings) Published by: self-published; Contributors: Chester Brown; Date: first printing (February 1985); second printing (maybe September 1985); Price: no cover price; Page Count: 52 pages  Size: digest (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: two printings; number of copies unknown Prior to the publication of Yummy Fur #7, Chester Brown anthologized issues #1-6 as self-published digest. The printings are (again) easily distinguished. A photo image of Brown appears with expanded credits on the inner back cover of the first printing, while the second printing has a blank page with the "gerbils" cover opposite. In the second printing the photo image and abridged credits is moved to the back cover that has a small numeral "2" in the lower right corner. The inner guts of the first printing are a very light gray stock. I also have an untrimmed example of the first printing, shown below sandwiched between the other two printings.

Yummy Fur #7 (first and second printings) Published by: self-published; Contributors: Chester Brown; Date: first printing (September1985); second printing (September 1985); Price: no cover price; Page Count: 24 pages  Size: digest (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: two printings; number of copies unknown Chester Brown selected to self-publish Yummy Fur #7 under his own name rather then using the Tortured Canoe imprint. The two printings are virtually indistinguishable except that the second printing has a small numeral "2" in the lower right corner of the back cover. The stock used for the second printing seems to be yellower or has yellowed over time when compared to an identically stored first printing. The stock for the second printing also possesses a little less opacity, where the design on the opposite page tens to show through more easily.

Yummy Fur #6 (first and second printings) Published by: Tortured Canoe; Contributors: Chester Brown; Jessica; Date: first printing (April 1984); second printing (September 1984); Price: 25 cents; Page Count: 8 pages  Size: digest (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: first and second printings (300 copies each) Yummy Fur #6 is the last issue of "ashcans" to be published by Tortured Canoe.

Yummy Fur #5 (first and second printings and colour variant) Published by: Tortured Canoe; Contributors: Chester Brown; Date: first printing (January 1984); first printing hand coloured front (January 1984); second printing (June 1984); Price: 25 cents; Page Count: 8 pages  Size: digest (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: first printing (300 copies); first printing hand coloured front (3 copies); second printing (300 copies) Besides the hand coloured variant the only way to distinguish between the first and second printing is by referencing the back covers. Chester Brown produced three presentation copies of the first printing with a hand coloured front cover for the three mentors who had supported/mentored him during creation of publication of Yummy Fur.

Yummy Fur #4 (first printing) Published by: Tortured Canoe; Contributors: Chester Brown; Date: first printing (September 1983); Price: 40 cents; Page Count: 12 pages; Size: digest (5.5 x 8.5); Kennedy #: post Kennedy; Print information: first printing (and only?); number of copies unknown Yummy Fur #4 begins to drift into territory that is different from earlier issues. Chester Brown increased both the page count and the issue price. Although I cannot say this with 100% certainty, there is a possibility that there was only one printing for this issue. Hence the price jump? The last story of the issue also features the earliest copy write (1979) of the entire series.