RockMyAmadeus

The Census Bubble had everything to do with the meltdown of 1990. It would be a mistake to include overgraded....and thus, overpriced...examples in any discussion of value over time. Overgrading has always been a problem, in any collectibles field, and cannot be factored into the discussion of real value gains or losses. Do not misunderstand: obviously, those who bought overgraded coins and comics have suffered real losses, but in an analysis of the relative health of a market, overgrading is not a legitimate factor. In other words....that "MS65" you bought in 1983 for $1,000, that was really an AU50, cleaned, and is only worth $125 today, 35 years later, doesn't mean that the performance of actual MS65s are negatively impacted by such experiences. An actual MS65 today might be worth $20,000. And I don't know about Barbers...I've been trying to put together low grade sets for years, and I just see prices going up, up, up. 1915 Phil 50c in 2000 was $20, now it's $150? And forget the keys. 1901-S 25c, you can't touch an example for less than four figures.

Nailed it.

That is quite ridiculous, and I imagine we'll be seeing quite a few more copies of that in 9.8 surface. A couple of the Heathcliff 25ths sold for $100+ in 9.8. Silly people.

Depends what you're referring to, and the time period in question. Without a doubt, 99% of all such coins are worth more, adjusted for inflation, than they were in 1978. Much more. But, since certification didn't functionally exist in 1978 (it did...sorta), then it required buyers to have a good eye and an ability to grade. 30 years ago, however, was the height of the Census Bubble, so yes, the vast majority of common high grade coins are worth less, and have never recovered...but that was a function of the Census Bubble, not the wider economy. Same thing happened to comics.

Newb fight!

By the way...now that the coin board has been separated, it's a completely different world. It's like those episodes of Star Trek, with the goatee'd Spock...all the same PM threads that you had before the changeover still exist....but now they're duplicates that can go off in their own directions. Sppppooooookkkyyyyy.....

I'm not sure why I can't vote, though. Did you put on a time limit, or am I just an idiot?

Yes. Yes I do.

I'm guessing because it's otherwise a 9.8...hence the "Qualified" grade, which is precisely the situation that designation was created for...just a hunch.

You should totally make a video of you in 18th century period garb, powdered wig and all, directing carriage traffic like a modern day traffic cop on a cobblestone street. I'd pay to see that. Not much...but something.

With my eyes.

....is this some sort of covert dating thread....?

Purple webs! Everyone seems to have forgotten the distinction between the purple webs and the grey webs. That was a "big deal" at one point. Nerds.

You should have seen the early drafts when the character was called P*$$ywhipper. I'm sure there was absolutely nothing Freudian about my choice of character names. Nothing at all. I'm totally sure of it.

It usually does. This isn't a "that's how it's always been done!" discussion, but whatevs. I'm not going to suggest that 2+2=5, simply because 2+2=4 is "the way it's always been done." More to the point: if people want to buy previews and collect previews and value previews, that's fine. There's nothing at all wrong with that. But if someone is going to come along and suggest that a preview is now "the first appearance"...when the very word "preview" completely negates that...and try to convince other people of the same, then I'm going to counter it, and maybe even question their motives...just as you should if I was constantly pumping Batman #442 as the next breakout hot key book.

If I could find a selling platform that does what eBay does....and Amazon isn't it....I would. Right now, I'm not selling. eBay neither understands, nor cares about, the collectibles market. They want everyone to sell widgets.

Yup. Not worth it. It's funny....in calendar year 2017, I had about $60,000 in gross sales on eBay....and that's with not selling anything from August through November....and just a couple of trickle over sales in January. Since then, I've listed a single book. One book. Just for kicks. Hasn't sold. Is eBay concerned? Nope. It's just incredible the amount of cutting off noses to spite faces is going on, in every industry and facet of the economy.

I know! We should have a NEWB OFF!

Yup...forgot about that one, thanks. 32. And I agree with you. Keown was the artist on the book when I picked up my first new issue...#370, for the record.

@dena Pfffft. Clever, but not at all subtle, attempt at a custom title.  The coolest kids don't have ANY custom title. You used to have one  They had an 8000 character limit on custom titles so his would never fit. "Quiet, you!" or "Shhh...don't give the newbs ideas" or "It's funny cuz it's true." Your choice.

I was so cool, I scared my custom title away. And NO, that's not a suggestion.

No. This has nothing to do with "for profit" motives. No one is going to lose their credibility, and no one is suggesting anyone "keep changing their opinions." This has just gotten silly. These are customs and traditions that have been agreed upon by consensus....as reflected (NOT "dictated") in the above entities, and many others....over decades. According to whom? You're not the authority. You don't get to make up the rules. Who is "we"...? Unless I'm completely mistaken,,,,and I could be...that ad appeared BEFORE Marvel Age #29 was published. So....

No, the cover is not an ad for a character to entice a reader to buy other issues. You are stretcccccchhhhhhhhhing the definition of "ad" to make it fit your "rules." There are all sorts of reasons why an editor would use a piece of art for a cover and not intend it to be an "ad." It could have been a job that the editor didn't think worked on the first print, but would be ok for the second. It could be a paid-for inventory piece that the editor liked. Unless it identifies itself as an ad...either directly or indirectly...then it is not an ad. As to the second statement, I already have, and do so again: The Overstreet Price Guide, All In Color For A Dime, Comics Buyers' Guide, this message board, etc etc etc. This IS NOT the first appearance of Longshot and Ricochet Rita. It is an ad. But...it appears IN PRINT prior to the publication of Longshot #1. It is STILL not the first appearance of Longshot and Ricochet Rita. It is only an ad. This IS NOT an ad. It is the cover to a comic book.

I didn't decide the rules for anyone. I merely report what is. The cover is not an "ad for something else" unless it identifies itself as an "ad for something else." And a preview is a preview...it is not the actual thing which it is previewing, or then it wouldn't be a preview. You, yourself, can't even talk about it without acknowledging that it is a preview: "But a preview of a story...." It's either a preview, or the actual thing. It cannot, simultaneously, by both...except maybe in Quantum Physics. I'm sorry these things aren't clear to you, but the entire rest of the comic collecting world has no problem with this, aside from the group who wants to change the rules. No need to be upset about it.