RockMyAmadeus

I'm not. I'm just explaining reality. Anybody who references DCP 26 when talking about previews like this only proves how little they know. DC called those bonus stories "previews" but they were full, unique stories rather than simply a few pages from the real issue printed in advance. This. Did Mr. Ween hijack darkstar's account?

Darkstar, darkstar, darkstar! What has happened to me...er, I mean, you?? Don't go over to the darkside. This "Summer of Spiderman"...does it feature ORIGINAL art and story not found anywhere else? Or is it just a preview of pages that appeared in Avenging Spiderman #9? If the former, it has legitimate value. If the latter...lame.

Taking a stroll....down memory laaaaaannne......

Every single copy of ASM #800 that I received...and I ordered 100...is shredded. I doubt there's a single 9.8 candidate, and these were brand new, straight out of the Diamond box books.

You gotta love marketing nonsense. When comics are marketed according to their potential monetary value, rather than their entertainment value, you know we are in the era of manufactured collectibles, and can guarantee that the vast majority of all this...like those Franklin Mint products...will be worthless. After all...ACTUAL pricing according to ACTUAL immutable laws of supply and demand, rather than an artificial propping up of value by controlling the supply...? Heaven forbid! Beware, people. Beware.

Don't confuse "limited to" and "print run". Words to live by.

Absolutely! But the serious declines in the "value" of books that were sparsely represented in the census had little to do with the world economy at the time (obviously not nothing, since nothing occurs in a vacuum except dust bunnies), but were the result of the realities of the census. Was Daredevil #168 ever worth $3,000? How about X-Men #120? Was Avengers #4 worth $70k in 9.6? Or Hulk #181 at $26k in 2009? Or X-Men #94 at nearly $30k? Was Batman #428 worth $1,000? Or Mad #1 at $24k for 9.6, or $32k for 9.8? These prices, and thousands like them, were functions of artificial scarcity, the perception of people who didn't pay attention to the lessons of history, and were afraid that if they didn't pay for what they wanted now, they wouldn't get another chance...or, simply people with money to burn, and they didn't care what it cost to obtain, competing against people who were afraid that they wouldn't get another chance. Some comics, very few, like Hulk #181 and ASM #301, have now come up and met their previous artificial census-driven highs, and have, indeed, established new, genuine highs. Most, however, will likely never see those highs again, without serious adjusting for inflation. The person who paid $29,500 in 2010 for a 9.8 X-Men #94? Probably not going to see a return on that in this lifetime, sad to say. It's just important to remember, when looking at those prices from 2002-2010, that they weren't real, that they didn't reflect a real understanding of supply, so it knocked the demand all out of whack. Yes, they were real sales, and real money exchanged hands...but the prices, themselves, were artificial, functions of the census, not a reflection of actual demand meeting actual supply. Obviously, this does not apply to most of Golden Age, which operates in an entirely different sphere, because that Mile High 9.8 Tec #114 ( ) is, I can very confidently predict, NEVER going to be joined by any other 9.8s....not in this universe. And the same generally holds true for anything printed in 1963 and prior, with some exceptions (Gaines file copies, for example, or some Disney books.) But if you're looking at 1965 and beyond, there's essentially nothing that is genuinely scarce, even in ultra high grade, with some obvious exceptions (mostly independents), and the census, over time, proved that. After all...there are 36 9.8 Iron Man #1s, and TWO 9.9s!

Sure, JSC did more than 4 issues of Gen 13 total by himself (he did 10)...but not consecutively, nor monthly, which was your prior claim.

Bloodshot #1 and Superman #75 did come out the same week. Dunno why Mike has it listed the week earlier. There is no Pitt #0, and I don't remember Pitt #1 selling the same week as the other two. The US Copyright Office doesn't give much help, but it does note that issue #1 was "published" on 1/1/93...and that #2 was published on 7/1/93, but that's probably what was reported to them by cover date. That's all the info it has. Ugh...the massive amounts of money Dale Keown threw away by not being disciplined. Had he put out 12 monthly issues in 1993, instead of TWO bi-annual issues, probably cost him $1,000,000. Dumb.

Record a $600, $700, or $800 sale on GPA, and you'll have your pick of graded copies to choose from. There needs to be incentive. They're out there...they just need to be found.

The phenomenon, as I mentioned before, isn't a new one. It's entirely census driven, and happened to 99.99475% (estimated) of all the comics represented on the census. The same thing happened in coins in 1989-1990, only it happened much, much faster, because of the presence of two, rather than one, "top-tier" grading companies (PCGS and NGC.) Here's an excellent article about it, which mirrored the experience in comics to a great degree: https://www.nationalsilverdollarroundtable.org/the-market-crash-of-‘90/ I highly recommend anyone interested in this aspect of the market to read this article, and then tell me how you could easily exchange "MS-65" for "CGC 9.8"....

No irony here. You might notice, I'm not the one complaining about the thread....................

No one is "boasting" about his post counts. It was an illustration to demonstrate a point. You're doing the very thing that you're complaining about. If you want good conversation, then 1. contribute your own good conversation, 2. don't tolerate childish, unproductive commentary (you know, like someone constantly posting about someone else not "letting go"), and 3. don't add your own childish, unproductive comments like this one here. It's a pretty easy formula to follow.

No. Those three sales all occurred when the census was still sparse. You can follow the trail right on down after that $25,000 sale. These books have all, with very few exceptions, followed the exact same model: low census population, followed by increasing pressure on the market, followed by a burst of new examples to the market, followed by a leveling off to reflect the actual real scarcity of each book in each grade. In the case of GL #76, the census went from a single copy in 9.6 in 2009 to SIXTEEN copies in 9.6 by 2013, a mere four years later. There have, since then, only been 3 more copies added to the census, about 1 a year, until we arrive at the total of 19 as it stands today. Is the census going to explode again like it did from 2009 to 2013? Probably not. You might see doubling over time, but I can say, with complete assurance, that you'll never see the census go up 16-fold for that book in that grade ever again. Same with Harby #1. A 9.8 sells for $2500, and all of sudden, everyone loses their minds. The census explodes. Prices level off. And, finally, the census levels off to a slow, steady trickle. 280 9.8s of all flavors, with pockets coming in here and there, but no doubling over and over, like we saw from 2009 to 2013. Same with ASM #301. Four years ago, on this very board, a certain member insisted that ASM #301 was "not rare in any grade, even 9.8!"...at that time, there were something in the neighborhood of 80 copies in 9.8, in all flavors. Now, four years later? There are 124. About a 52% increase in four years, despite massive market pressure to "make more." That's compared to a total of 1,006 9.8 #300s, 647 #299s, and 609 #298s. Oddly enough, #302 is still "rare on the census" at 101 total 9.8s, but I suspect that's because the book is still in its "hasn't really caught everyone's attention yet" stage, unlike #301. Clearly, the vast majority of these books has had their "come to the census" moments in the last 10 years. You're not going to see the same explosive growth for these books anywhere near the scale that you already have...and that's true, whether it's a Daredevil #168, a GI Joe #21, a Secret Wars #8, or a New Mutants #98. Comic books simply are not rare, even in ultra high grade, past about 1964.

You know what's even more starting and dramatically overlooked in those time periods - June 2009 was just a few months when the equity markets and the credit markets were in TOTAL DISTRESS. I mean, to take 30K and put it in a comic book, instead of any STOCK (or real-estate in most markets) is even more starting. It would be considerably different if someone bought a book in 2006 and 2007 and sold in 2009, but to buy right after the global meltdown and then sell for a huge loss after a 10 year period - where EVERY ASSET CLASS had a huge run-up - is even more ridiculous. But that number wasn't real. Yes, $30k exchanged hands, sure, but that book was never really that valuable, ever. The reason it sold for that much is because of the massive buildup, on this board and elsewhere, of this book being the only, or one of the only, bronze age keys to not have a 9.8 on the census, and the repeated suggestions, and outright claims, that there never would be. And when that book sold, there was only a single 9.6 on the census....that one....and had been the only 9.6 for around 5 years already. Just like all the rest of the "not at all rare, but not (yet) represented on the census" books of 2005-2010, the price it sold for was entirely artificial. If the buyer and other bidders had only waited, they would have paid a lot less. BUT....I will grant you that the price of that sale did, in turn, inspire people to turn their books in to cash out, and now there are 2 9.8s and 19 9.6s....a number that would probably be a little smaller had that $30k sale not taken place. But the next sale, for 25% less, of NEW 9.6 showed how artificial that $30k number really was. The exact same thing happened in coins (though it happened a lot faster), and, I suspect, other graded collectible markets.

Someone's got a crush....

Newbs be funny. Look at my join date, newb. Look at my post count. Do you think I have 13+ years and 50k posts just by trolling newbs...? No one is "trolling" you, though, I suspect you think this song is about you too. Here's the best advice anyone could ever give you about getting along here: type less, read more. Then you won't change your story mid-stream and focus on irrelevant minutiae because you got caught by Cal. Now shhh....I'm reading my Strawberry Shortcake....

Great point, and another point that has been made on these boards quite a bit in the past. Proper understanding and use of Comichron numbers is perfectly valid. Improper understanding and use, not so much.

Sure, I get that it seems that way to some people...until you apply reason and logic to the situation. I've already explained both the proper use AND misuse of these numbers. Cap City numbers are, themselves, estimates. You ever notice how they're all rounded off to the nearest hundred? That's on purpose. They are useful numbers to broadly estimate what was ordered, what was distributed, what may exist. Trying to use EITHER Cap City OR Diamond to come up with precise numbers about anything is the distinction that you never see me, and those like me, making. Distinction matters. There are proper ways...and there are IMproper ways...to use those numbers. Using the numbers, in and of themselves, is neither proper nor improper. It is HOW you use them that makes all the difference in the world. In other words...using Cap City numbers to "make a point" depends entirely on what point you're trying to make. Who is "us"? Is there more than one person who uses the Gatsby77 account...? I trust the Cap City/Diamond numbers to the extent they should be trusted. Those numbers represent very specific things, and using those numbers outside of those very specific things is a MISuse of those numbers. I will say it again: "I suspect" makes whatever follows a qualified statement...not a claim. That is what I suspect is true, based on personal experience with both Kirkman, the rest of Skybound (whose offices are about 35 minutes from where I live), and those who have dealt with Walking Dead since at or near the beginning. I have not made a claim. It is what I suspect, what I believe, is true. No one is "picking and choosing" anything, and suggesting that's the case means you don't understand that there's a difference between the proper understanding and use of those numbers, and the IMproper understanding and use of those numbers.

This. Except the last sentence.

Most of us already know that. You know your posts are public, right? Just change "IM #1" to "Sub-Mariner #1", and pretend no one can see previous posts....or read...or think critically...or...well, you know...

And I have my very own troll. My own personal clown, with delusions of grandeur, who follows me wherever I go, trying in vain to establish credibility in moot points! Comical. So adorbs.

Awwww....I have my own little stray newb. Super cute. \

Campbell has never, in his entire career, turned in even FOUR monthly, consecutive, fully penciled issues of anything, much less more than four. Were you thinking of Gen 13...? The title that was almost quarterly at one point, and featured about half "fill in" artists during Campbell's tenure...? Hughes managed to last 11 issues, with 2 more partial issues, before giving up. His longest uninterrupted monthly run...? 5 issues. Justice League America #31-35. Popular as these guys are, they are not even remotely journeymen. Without taking away from Middleton, those two hardly have him beat in the endurance portion of the contest. NYX ran 7 issues.