RockMyAmadeus

So, I'm reading Helter Skelter for the first time...it's pretty creepy. Today, I had to go to Ventura, so I decided to take the 118 back. On the way is Spahn Movie Ranch, which is where the Manson family spent much of 1968 and 1969, and where Donald Shea was murdered. I didn't know exactly where it was. I drove down Santa Susana Pass, hoping to see some sort of sign, but there wasn't. Came home, and did some Google map exploring....I had actually pulled over right at the ranch at one point. The buildings are all gone, and there's a gate, but I was there. Next time I'm up there, I'll see if I can't explore on foot. The place is a state park now.

You already used this one, and it's already been discredited. Try again.

Wow, you are one deluded little SOB, ain't ya? Namecalling...?? From JC?? No way. Meanwhile, in reason and logic land, I say this: aside from the weird "sources for a Captain America Hitler cover" (whatever that even means), you have to ask several questions. First, that "WW2 veteran" is going to be around 90 at this point. Is he going to know more about the "inspiration for a Captain America Hitler cover" than, say, oh, I don't know....just about any decent comics historian? After all, what on earth does a Captain America comic book cover...you know, FANTASY...have to do with being a veteran of a very real war? So, would that WW2 veteran know more about the film Casablanca than a film historian? After all, Casablanca was set during WW2, right? So, then, a "WW2 veteran" would know more about anything and everything having to do with WW2, no matter how tenuously, than a historian, right...? "Because they were there", right...? You see how your example fails. Your examples need to be much better. Oh, and do try to tone down your responses, just a bit. No one is "yelling" except you. One more time: those "who were there"...especially young children, as you were...do not have a monopoly on the facts of any matter. In fact, those who "weren't there", but have studied the era almost always have a better understanding of what happened, when, how, and why. This is basic reason. This is basic science. This is basic logic. You don't have to have "been there"...ESPECIALLY if those who were there look at it from the lens of their own childhood...to know what happened. You have been told this, many, many, many times, and yet you still refuse to give up such an unreasonable concept.

Except it's not "seminal moment's in Wolverine's history" being discussed.

Exactly my point - your entire input to this forum is based on 20-20 hindsight, as opposed to actual reality. Except no. One doesn't need to have red the books "as they came out" to understand what happened in them. And..."my entire input to this forum"...? Which forum? Copper? The CGC boards in general? And, do you mean "20-20 hindsight (not too bad, all things considered) as opposed to actual experience"...? It is your usual claim, that only people that were there as it happened can possibly know, that is patently false. There are people alive today who know more about the Civil War than anyone who lived through it...because they have the advantage of being able to gather all the information after the fact, while any one person alive at the time, if they were even paying attention, would only have their own experience to draw from until after the fact. Except no. "At the time" means nothing to what you are trying to claim. You, personally, may have been excited "at the time", but hardly anyone else was. Know how I know? Because the new X-Men didn't capture the general imagination until about 1978. Sure, there were fans who were glad there was "new stuff" being printed...but the sales data shows, quite clearly, that there was no massive jump in sales...in fact, there was no massive jump in sales, as JOHN BYRNE confirms, until AFTER he was gone...right around 1982-1983. Combine that with the fact that there is absolutely no mention of the "revelations" about Wolverine in the fan press of the day (and sparse mention in the published letter columns), and you'll find that your experience is just that: your experience. Trying to compare the fact that Wolverine's claws were "a part of him" to the revelation that Darth Vader was Luke's father...? Seriously....? Yeah, ok. That's got to be the most hyperbolic thing anyone has said on this board, and that's saying a lot. If you want anyone to take what you say seriously, JC, you really ought to confine your statements to the realm of reasonable. And, as usual, you have taken us very far afield. The issue isn't whether there was an impact on Wolverine as a character. The issue is that Wolverine, as a character, made little impact ON THE TITLE until Byrne showed up. AGAIN...Claremont and Cockrum didn't like the character, and wanted to get rid of him.

That's absolutely horrifying. Amazing. But horrifying. Stupid bird.

I dunno...the last time I saw Damon in a movie, he was trying to throw Matthew McConaughey down an ice chasm.

CCBC!

The early X-Men are great not only for the stories, but also because Claremont, and later Byrne, slowly parceled out tiny but integral pieces of the Wolverine origin, while developing the character into the icon that took comics by storm. Claremont didn't like Wolverine, and wanted to kill him off. No one said that. If you're going to use quotation marks, as if you're actually...you know...QUOTING someone...then use the actual quotation. Don't just make stuff up off the top of your head and then pretend someone else said it. That's dishonest. That is entirely your opinion, and doesn't change the fact that Wolverine had very little impact on the early stories. He did not. No one said anything differently. However, Wolverine wasn't central to that story, and made little impact on the outcome.

Obviously, as you clearly weren't reading this series at the time. When it came out, it was big news, and Banshee echoed the readers with his "Yer claws... laddie... lord above.. they're part of you... we.. I... didn't know!" comment. At the time...? I was 3 when X-Men #98 came out...so, no, I wasn't reading them "at the time." However, I HAVE red them all, and no, Wolverine did not have any significant impact on ANY story until X-Men #109. Everything he did before then could have just as easily been done by Colossus, or Thunderbird (yes, let's not go over the fact that he was dead, this is "alt" history I'm referring to) or any other strong man, scrappy type character. Wolverine didn't become WOLVERINE until Byrne got a hold of him. Claremont and Cockrum are on record as saying they didn't like Wolvie, and were looking for ways to get rid of him. Do not confuse "impact on the character himself" with "the character's impact on the story."

How come you dopes can't talk about stuff BEFORE I do my once a year LCS visit...?

Who the hell woke this turkey up out of cold storage...?

Seriously? Have you even read the X-Men comics? . What was I thinking, that was BATMAN I was thinking of. My bad. PS. Your examples aren't of any significant impact.

No, other than the usual curiosity of "I wonder what it would be like to be a woman?" day dreaming. I'm quite happy being a man, and wouldn't change that for anything (if, indeed, such a thing is possible beyond cosmetic considerations.) As the song (sorta) goes.."I enjoy being a boy!"

Come get some. Can't. I need to vent my nerd rage in the Mutants/Inhumans thread in CG There's a boatload of nerd rage stewing on the boards, for some reason. If I didn't know better, I'd say it was New York, summer, 1987, and we're all about to be hunted down....

Did you find anything interesting at Big Wow? Yes. Steve Bissette, John Totleben, Rick Veitch, and Tom Yeates. I'm devilishly single-minded sometimes.

They could have a various set of notations, like "cameo" and "first full"... "First appearance questioning Iceman." "First appearance bi-curious Iceman (cameo)" "First full appearance bi-curious Iceman" "First appearance out of the closet Iceman." Hey, it's a process, right...? Imagine the nerd wars over which is most important!

Because some people regard it as the 1st appearance of Adam Warlock, though it's years before the concept of Adam Warlock was even thought of. Go with Marvel Premiere #1 and now, back to moderns heating up... It's the first (full) appearance of the character. Whether the character evolved or not doesn't change that fact. The first appearance of Hank McCoy is X-Men #1. That he became "furry beast" in Amazing Adventures #11 doesn't change that.

Why, because of the movie? Copper book btw. I hear that Thor #165 is gaining traction, too.

I hear Batman #417 is the cool book to have....

I first set up at a con in 1991. Those were the days....

The Bloodshot pink beats them all.