RockMyAmadeus

Ok....if you've identified a problem, propose a solution?? Competition. That is the answer to everything. Always has been.

"CGC guarantees that a comic book encapsulated in a CGC holder is authentic and has been inspected by at least two professionals." http://www.cgccomics.com/grading/cgc-comics-guarantee.asp "Before a comic book is CGC-certified, it must be graded by at least two comic professionals according to well established standards that ensure integrity, quality, confidentiality and consistency." http://www.cgccomics.com/about/grading_benefits.asp What is a "professional"? What is a "comic professional"? The word "grader" appears nowhere there. The answer is, the "grader" language has been removed. This is one of the more interesting charges. CGC's "professionals" see thousands of comics a month (they'd have to.) If a book is only in their hands long enough to grade it, was preceded by several hundred books, and followed by several hundred more, it's not really a fair claim to say they'd remember it. True....but CGC expressly disclaims everything. They guarantee nothing, even if they rolled up your book into a little ball and tossed it in the trash. No, really, their guarantee says it in black and white; that's what this means: "BY USING CGC’s PRODUCTS AND SERVICES, YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL NOT HOLD CGC OR ITS EMPLOYEES, MEMBERS, AFFILIATES, OR OFFICERS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE OR LOSS TO THE COMIC BOOKS OR TO YOU AS A RESULT OF ANY CAUSE WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGE OR LOSS CAUSED IN WHOLE OR IN PART BY THE NEGLIGENCE OF CGC."

See you in the AM and 300 posts later, thread!

What kind of genitalia? I'm a fan of sea slug.

That or Chris Hemsworth is the buyer and resubmitted it, and the graders thought"he is the real Thor" so they gave him a better grade and they are a fan of his too.. It's much more likely, given the rules of logik and all the evidences availaible, that Jaimie Alexander walked the book through naked, and the CGC gave it the blue because they are a fan of naked. And that's why the government thinks we're stupid. Admit it. You graded this book.

As before.... It's not about making mistakes. It's about how you respond to the mistakes you make.

Of course, every single one of the arguments that "CGC's methods of detecting resto X years ago were not as good then as they are now" that were made in the last go-round are now defunct. I'd love to hear the conversations about this at the office. Even the guarantee on the back of the label...that the book has been examined by "at least one pre-grader and two graders"...has now been changed to "Before a comic book is CGC-certified, it must be graded by at least two comic professionals according to well established standards that ensure integrity, quality, confidentiality and consistency." http://www.cgccomics.com/about/grading_benefits.asp What exactly is a "comic professional"....? (Hint: it's wide open.) What are the "well established standards", and how does one go about independently verifying that they are, in fact, "well established"...? This is why there should have been legitimate competition very quickly after CGC opened. All of you reading this with the means to do so, but turned it down because it wasn't a good enough investment...you should have let principle make that decision, rather than profit. Competition makes EVERYONE better.

Regular books, or the specials, double sized, and annuals? (Keeping in mind that Marvel stopped printing Canadian price only books with their Sept. 86 books.)

Well I think it generally accepted that Marvel books pre FF1 are Silver like ToS 1 or TTA 13. You wont see those posted in the Golden Age section here. The cut off for Marvel Silver seems to be around 57 which is the end of Atlas. OK I'm asking you to name a spark book. If you had to pick one, what would it be? For Silver Age, I'm classic: Showcase #4 was the start of it all. For Copper... :shrug:

This is a choice, choice phrase. I'm going to steal it.

I think I see the confusion. Poor wording. What that first sentence should say is "I'm saying there isn't any major starting point for Copper nor a major ending point for Bronze." Hopefully, that clears it up. My apologies for my muddled thought.

:shrug: I'm not understanding why there's confusion. For Marvel, the Silver Age didn't start until the summer of 1961 with FF #1. Some have made the argument that therefore the ENTIRE Silver Age of the entire comics industry didn't really start until the summer of 1961. I don't subscribe to that view, but that argument is not entirely without merit (which is why it has been made so often.) I've never heard anyone seriously consider the collapse of Atlas in 1957 and the return of Jack Kirby as a contender for the beginning of "the Marvel Age", but that argument isn't entirely without merit, either. In the same way, the Copper Age for DC didn't start, at least for their major characters, until about 1985 (Crisis.) The Copper Age as a whole, however, began in phases over the previous 5 years. There's no concrete answer. A reasonable argument can be made for essentially any time period between 1981(0?)-1984(5?).

The difference is...and it's a biggie...I don't go around calling people names and insulting them because they disagree with me. A "pulpit bully" who wants to be a victim too . . . oy vey. Just stop.

Same here, and it's highly amusing how OCD-psycho Rockhead here is. He's like Candyman, you mention his name a few times and "poof" there he is. :shrug:

You'd be wrong then, as OCD-people like Rockhead bother me at an intrinsic level, and I can say without reservation, he is the *only* person on here that really true bothers me. There is something "not right" about him, and I apologize if I'm not being polite, but there it is. Eventually, even this moderation team will recognize that your text-book harassment is quite beyond their rules The facts are quite clear, Vince: *you* are the one who is namecalling, *you* are the one who is diagnosing psychiatric conditions, *you* are the one who cannot have a discussion without being rude, demeaning, and insulting. Since you refuse to curtail your behavior, it is now only a matter of time before action is taken against you. Why you get away with far worse than anyone else around here is a mystery, but you are focused on me because I shine a spotlight on it. Other people ignore you, because it's easier to ignore you, but enough was enough 10 years ago. I'm still not going to insult you, I'm still not going to call you names, and I'm still going to post where I like, when I like, as is my privilege as a member here, free from harassment from you, just like everyone else.

That's not what I said, nor what I meant. There are people who make a reasonable argument that the Silver Age didn't actually start until FF #1, and that the DC work was proto-Silver Age. I'm not saying I agree with them, but the argument isn't without merit. That's the thing...I'm saying there aren't ANY major starting points or ending points for either era. I'm saying it's completely blurred, and there are aspects of both going both ways. It's really hard to say 1980 is the definitive end of Bronze, when things that are considered "Bronze" continued for at least a couple more years. So, ultimately my position is: there is no way to determine when one ended and the other began, and a reasonable argument can be made for as early as 1980, and as late as 1985. ("Reasonable" meaning people who make those arguments aren't "stupid" or "ignorant" or "insane" or any other such epithet.)

The difference is...and it's a biggie...I don't go around calling people names and insulting them because they disagree with me. Sure he can be a big jerk and likely has a mass of people who put him on ignore, but don't let him get to you, I doubt its personal. Take it as a Souvenir, It's JC, it wouldn't be the same without him. It is *exceptionally* personal with him. JC has gone out of his way to make himself my personal troll. One need only see the comments he's made to me in the last two weeks to see it. It's been quite ridiculous.

Right, but that's really the point, is it not? After all...the Silver Age "started" with Showcase #4 in 1956...and most usually agree with that...but for Marvel, the "Post-Code Atom Age" continued unabated, with monster, alien, and sci-fi books being published almost into 1963. For Marvel, it's fair to say that the Silver Age didn't start until 5 years after DC, in the late summer of 1961.

I definitely agree with that, that there's wiggle room. That's what I've been saying as well. The only problem I have is that the majority of DC's big names didn't change. Everyone points to NTT, and rightfully so...but it took Crisis (1985) to really do something different with the big guns. And if all the big guns at DC didn't change, I'm not really sure how the new era can be started. A lot of people make the same claim about the Silver Age and Marvel, and they make a good case.

The difference is...and it's a biggie...I don't go around calling people names and insulting them because they disagree with me.

This is a very strong argument. The dominance of the Direct market and decline of the newsstand was clearly the single defining event of the age. There is almost nothing that didn't change in the industry because of it.

That's the consensus from intelligent people, because by 1982, *everything* had changed and it was a whole new world with Graphics Novels, creator-owned mags, DM-only books, Alan Moore, Mini-Series galore, Harvey + Warren + Spire closing, all traditional Horror and Cartoon titles being cancelled, Stan Lee leaving Marvel, Kahn taking over DC, etc., etc. People who say 1982-85 is Bronze are/were either a) being disingenuous because they have tons of unsellable early-80's Copper junk they want to transform into "Investment Grade Bronze", b) not buying comic back then and rely on supposition instead of hands-on accounts, or c) just plain stupid. "Everything"...? Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern...what changed with them? I'm going to go with d) recognize that not everything changed, and while things WERE changing, there was plenty that remained static well into the decade, and choose to rely on hands-on accounts from people who actually published their accounts at the time of the events, rather than fuzzy memories 30+ years later.

What about the major characters of DC, none of which changed much at all until the mid-80's? Supes, Bats, Wonder Woman, Flash....

That was March 1982, the same month as Warrior 1 and a month before Marvel Graphic Novel 1: Death of Captain Marvel hit the stands. Once you hit 1982, everything changed. Anyone who thinks these books, and the subsequent ones to 1985, are Bronze is a) patently insane and b) were *not* buying comics back then. Buying comics "back then" doesn't have much to do with determining what relative "age" they belong to. We have all sorts of paleontological names for eras in which none of the people who named them were actually living. I'm pretty sure Edward Drinker Cope was never chased around by a T-Rex.