RockMyAmadeus

Alan Moore was writing comics before Frank Miller.

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It's been pretty well documented since its inception. In fact, if i remember correctly, it was NTT that really firmed up Marv's choice of George to pencil....and that (NTT) was being worked on during 1980/81. No need to lie, and would easily be found out if he was.

Fantastic!

Cool! Now it's what, $300?

Nice! How much were you selling them for? (this is not an offer, I'm just curious.)

Kite Fun Books were from 1953 to about 1998, each was distributed in the spring of each year at schools to promote kite safety. Don't fly your kite around our power lines. You know, I KNOW I had some of those as a kid, because I lived in PG&E territory... I wonder wheer they went.....

yeah...Marv Wolfman had been planning Crisis for quite some time. It was definitely not "DC's answer" to Secret Wars. (thumbs u

That's the tricky part. And that's why pressing GA books scare the living @%#$&* out of me. They're like a box of chocolates... They melt when left out in the sun...?

The singer Janet Jackson? No, the colorist Janet Jackson. You mean the pigmentedly gifted Janet Jackson, gotta be PC these days. Hehehe...JJ worked for Marvel Comics in the 80's, then moved to Valiant in the very early 90's. She's a great person, and lots of fun to hang out with. She once shared a studio with Bill Willingham of Fables fame. They (Texas Comics) put out one comic: Justice Machine Annual #1.

The singer Janet Jackson? No, the colorist Janet Jackson.

Thank you for your many posts in this thread. They have been thoroughly enjoyable, and totally lacking in insult. Thank you!

She was the colorist, and she created the explosion behind the characters on the cover.

I would say the start of the copper age is GI JOE#1 in 1982. brought many new non-comic collectors into the market. issue 1 and 2 both went for over 20 dollars right off the bat. my second choice would be NEW TEEN TITANS #1 as it made DC respectable again and thus opened the door for Swamp Thing #20/21, without NEW TEEN TITANS #1 success who is to say DC would have took a chance with Alan Moore? Because Swamp Thing was a low selling title, already slated for cancellation. There was no "chance" to take. NTT #1 is Bronze Age. It came out a scant two months after X-Men #137. GI Joes were not immediate hits, which is why the early issues were so very hard to find for quite some time. GI Joe started to pick up steam right after the TV series debuted in Sept 1983 as a 5 part mini, a year and a half after GI Joe #1 hit the stands in March of 1982. maybe the bronze age ended with X-men #137(death of Phoenix) and copper age begins two months later with NEW TEEN TITANS #1 ? No. NTT in and of itself was nowhere near important enough to usher in a whole age. Besides...1970-1980 is too short a time period for "an age." If we're going to get "Ageist", we have to remember that they are delineated by a radical shift in the industry. In 1938, it was the intro of the Superhero. In 1956, it was the RE-Intro of the Superhero. In 1970, it was the greatly expanded publication of "socially relevant", "sword & sorcery", and NON-superhero comics. (and if people want to argue "Golden Age was only 1938-1945, I'll argue with them that it lasted until 1955, and that the "Atom Age" has little to support it.)

So, you started collecting in late 1983? (thumbs u

Signed at NYCC, first in an eventual series that will encompass #436-442. One of only TWO signed in 9.8. Simonson is my hero. Both signed by Perez. Also both signed by Perez. By far, some of the awesomest books I own. Came from my own collection, #2 from a pool of SEVEN copies I had. #1 is the one and only Sig Series in this grade. And, the piéce du resistance... All signed by Jim Shooter & Janet Jackson. Yes, those are all Harby 1s, and yes they are all Sig Series 9.8s. (As always, sorry for the crappy pics. )

I would say the start of the copper age is GI JOE#1 in 1982. brought many new non-comic collectors into the market. issue 1 and 2 both went for over 20 dollars right off the bat. my second choice would be NEW TEEN TITANS #1 as it made DC respectable again and thus opened the door for Swamp Thing #20/21, without NEW TEEN TITANS #1 success who is to say DC would have took a chance with Alan Moore? Because Swamp Thing was a low selling title, already slated for cancellation. There was no "chance" to take. NTT #1 is Bronze Age. It came out a scant two months after X-Men #137. GI Joes were not immediate hits, which is why the early issues were so very hard to find for quite some time. GI Joe started to pick up steam right after the TV series debuted in Sept 1983 as a 5 part mini, a year and a half after GI Joe #1 hit the stands in March of 1982.

I'm jealous...sweet book yeah, she's a beaut. I don't think I have any 9.8 potentials copies. Although.....I would be imPRESSed if I did find one.... Huh? I don't have any 9.8 potential copies of this book, and I was making an oft-repeated pressing joke. Ah. Just to make clear. This is a book I purchased off the rack and had slabbed - guaranteed to never have been pressed. Oh, I see. No, I was in no way suggesting that your book was pressed in any way. I was just making a joke about how I could possibly press one of my copies into a 9.8. Sorry if you thought I was referring to yours. 'Twas not my intention.

I'm jealous...sweet book yeah, she's a beaut. I don't think I have any 9.8 potentials copies. Although.....I would be imPRESSed if I did find one.... Huh? I don't have any 9.8 potential copies of this book, and I was making an oft-repeated pressing joke.

If you want to say SOTST #20 is more important, that's fine, and there's a good case for that if you're just talking about "the debut of a very important writer." However...just like Amazing Spiderman #300 is more important than #298 because of the STORY, rather than the ARTIST, I'm going to stick with #21 for the same basic reason. It really boils down to personal taste after that...and personal taste is indisputable. Neal Adams + "social relevance." It is, by leaps and bounds, the most important and most valuable Neal Adams book because of the story. I don't think anyone really cares that much about the addition of GA.

I'm jealous...sweet book yeah, she's a beaut. I don't think I have any 9.8 potentials copies. Although.....I would be imPRESSed if I did find one....

Matt, I'm not deriding your position, but I think if you simply look at influence (what the other generational markers hinge on. Superman, Flash, don't know the bronze aged marker), it becomes clear that TMNT 1 is the clear frontrunner. (and I think your idea that Moore's Swamp Thing run has real legs) 4 movies 3 or more cartoon series dozens of toy lines 6+ comic book lines, and still printing currently trades that have almost never gone out of print large cultural influence (adjective, adjective, adjective, noun comics!!!) It's clear as day to me. Ehhhhhhh..... I dunno if I buy this. As far as the INDUSTRY is concerned, Turtles had very, very little impact after the B&W explosion imploded. Turtles have had their ups and downs, including several lapses in publishing schedule. They spent most of the 90's/2000's in the doldrums. Moore'e Swamp Thing, however? Vastly, vastly influential to the industry. Culturally, no doubt, Turtles is much, much bigger, no doubt. But in terms of overall impact to the industry? Moore's Swamp Thing was far reaching and cast a wide net deep AND wide amongst comics creators. You can make a case that, without Moore's Swamp Thing, not only would there never have been the obvious...Vertigo, Watchmen, Hellblazer, Sandman, Preacher, Animal Man, etc.....but it's quite possible there may not have been a Hellblazer movie, a Watchmen movie, a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie, and even a Sin City and Hellboy. Swamp Thing just blows Turtles out of the water as far as the industry impact goes. And this is common...in many other fields, there are masters who are recognized only by others in the industry....they may even have a monstrous influence on those who ARE famous, but they may not be famous themselves, at least to the outside world. They call those people a "director's director", or a "composer's composer", an "actor's actor" etc. Alan Moore is a "writer's writer" and Swamp Thing is a "series's series."

Isn't Totlebon one of the most underated artists of the past 30 years? All of his stuff on the "Moore books" (Swamp Thing, MM) is just fantastic. So detailed and precise. Just beautiful. John Totleben is one of the greatest artists since Barry Windsor Smith and Bernie Wrightson. WILDLY, WILDLY underrated. You want brilliance? Swamp Thing #53. Every page a visual feast. And seriously, if some of you out there reading this have NOT read Alan moore's Swamp Thing, come on....what the hell are you waiting for? I've convinced people who have NEVER...IN THEIR LIVES...read a DC book to read Swamp Thing and they LOVED it. Committed Marvel guys? Doesn't matter. Go read it, people. #20-#64. You won't be disappointed.

Hmmmm...yes, you're right, I'd forgotten that Day pencilled the issue....but Totleben's inks are so distinctive and strong, it wasn't that much of a change. Issue #20 was much more of a wrap-up to several Pasko threads. #21 was the issue that did it. #21 was revolutionary. Even if #20 was classic Moore, #21 was...something totally different. It's like Hulk #180 and #181. The first gives you a taste...a great taste, no doubt....but the second was really what started it all. I have no problem marking #21 as the beginning, rather than #20. DC apparently didn't either, with the first trade starting at #21.

(Now I'm just shamelessly bumping my post count....)