RockMyAmadeus

I asked this in the other thread almost exactly like this one, but I thought TMNT 1 was the generally agreed upon first comic book of the Copper age (1984). I think that's a MUCH better start date for Copper. I don't like the various "age" nomenclature, because eventually you just run out, but it looks like Copper is here to stay. 1970-1980 is just far too short a time period for "Bronze." There just wasn't anything that turned the industry on its ear until Turtles #1 (not for lack of trying.) There is a seismic shift in comics, starting in about 1984 that pretty much had the same impact that early Silver did: namely the period between 1984-1987 that saw the updating of nearly everything DC, the popularity of characters like the Punisher, the renewed popularity of characters like Superman, Batman, Flash, and Wonder Woman, who hadn't enjoyed such popularity for decades, and the appearance of writers like Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, and Neil Gaiman, which set the stage for the triumphs and tragedies oif the 90's. Plus, that time period saw the rise and fall of one of the most speculative eras in comics history: the black and white explosion.

You know, I answered this yesterday, but I'm not sure where it went. :shrug: DHP #1 is in the "issues of note" section. There just isn't any demand for the book any more. DH 5th Anniversary Special (1st Sin City) is listed in semi-keys. DHP #51-62 are listed.

Dazzler #1 to month prior to McSpidey #1. When I get around to it, I'll do 1980-1983, too. I can also do 1970-1979, and even Silver Age, but is a Silver Age list necessary? Doesn't everyone pretty much have the OPG for that?

I'll give someone a beat up copy of New Mutants #98 or #87, whatever I find, if they can come up with WHY all those issues are listed.

Primer #2 is a a 1982 book. Quadrant #1 is a 1983 book. Parameters were 1984-1992. (and I didn't include magazines, or Epic Illustrated #25-34 would be on the list. I also didn't include Taboo on purpose, but I probably should.) What kind of amateur do you think I am...? oooo....I DID miss some books. Creatures of the Id #1 - Semi-Key Grafik Musik #1-4 - Issues of note Graphique Musique #1-4 - Issues of note Madman #1-3 - Issues of note Madman Adventures #1 - Issue of note (I forgot all about poor ol' Frank Einstein!) Mayhem #1-4 - Issues of note Silverback #1-3 - issues of note (I actually thought about these, they should be on the list.)

yeah, I think there might be some call for that. Harbinger #1 isn't a major key, but it's much more of a key than New Mutants #98.

I would say 1984-1992 Starting with Secret Wars/ASM #252 That's a very easy time period. In alphabetical order , after "status*": Major keys: Albedo #2 Amazing Spiderman #300 Bone #1 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 Keys: Albedo #0, all firsts Albedo #1, 1st & 2nd Alf #48 Amazing Spiderman #252, 293, 294, 298, 299, 312, 316, 361 Batman #366, 368, 400, 404-407, 417-420, 426-429 Batman: The Dark Knight #1-4 Batman: The Killing Joke Bone #2-8 Caliber Presents #1 Captain America #332, Annual #8 Crisis On Infinite Earths #7, 8 Crow #1-4 Cry for Dawn #1, #3 Horror, #5-8 Limited Daredevil #227, 254 Detective Comics #575-578 Faust #1 Limited Flaming Carrot #1 GI Joe #21 Gobbledygook #1, 2 Harbinger #0 Pink Harbinger #1 I,Lusiphur #1, 3 Incredible Hulk #330, 340 Justice League #3 Variant Magnus Robot Fighter #0 Miracleman #1 Gold, 1 Blue, 10-23 New Mutants #87, 98 Punisher Limited Series #1-5 Rai #3, 4 Sandman #1, 8 (both) Secret Wars #8 Solar #10 Spiderman #1 Platinum Spiderman #1 Gold UPC Spiderman vs. Wolverine #1 Star Wars #107 Superman #75 Swamp Thing #20, 21, 37 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #3 variant Tick Special Edition #1, 2 Tick #1 Transformers #76-80 Uncanny X-Men #201, 205, 210-213, 244, 248, 266, 268, 297 Gold, 303 Gold, 307 Gold Unity #0 Red Watchmen #1-12 Wolverine #10 X-Men #11 Silver/Platinum Semi-Keys: Albedo #0 Second Albedo #4 Aliens #1, 2 Alpha Flight #51 Action Comics #583 Amazing Spiderman #249-251, 253, 265, 285, 289, 301-311, 313-325, 328, 330, 331, 344, 345, 362, 363, Annual #21 (both) Animal Man #1, 5 Batman #436, 442, 457, 488 Batman: Sword of Azrael #1-4 Batman: Vengeance of Bane #1 Bone #9, 10 Captain America #333, 334 Crisis On Infinite Earths #1, 12 Cry For Dawn #2-8, #4 Limited Daredevil #228-233, 238, 241, 248, 249. 257 Dark Horse Presents #24 Dark Horse 5th Anniversary Special Death Rattle #8 Detective Comics #535, 569. 570, 572, 574, 598-600 Doom Patrol #19 Ewoks #1-14 Fantastic Four #320, #347-349 Faust #1, 2 Flaming Carrot #2-5 Flash #350, 1 Firestorm #61 Variant Ghost Rider #1 GI Joe #26, 27, 93-96 Green Lantern #195 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #1 Grendel #40 Groo Special Edition #1 Harbinger #2-6 Hellblazer #1, 27 Incredible Hulk #324, 331-334, 336-339, 341-346, 350, 367, 377 Infinity, Inc. #14 I, Lusiphur #2, 4-7 Iron Man #225 Justice League #1 Legion of Superheroes #37, 38 Longshot #1-6 Mage #1, 6 Magnus #1, 5, 12 Marvel Team-Up #141 Megaton #3, 8, Explosion Miracleman #1-9 New Mutants #86, 88, 93-97, 100 New Teen Titans #44 Omega #1 Limited Predator #1 Primer #5 Punisher #1, 10 Rai #1, 2, 5 Robotech: Macross #1 Sandman #2-7, 21, 22 Silver Surfer #15, 34, 35 Solar #1 Spawn #1 Spectacular Spiderman #90, 131, 132, 158 Star Wars #100-106 Superman #423, 50, 74 Superman: Man of Steel #17, 18 Swamp Thing #22-25, 34, 38-40, Annual #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 2nd, #3, 4 Tick #2 Thor #412 Transformers #1, 70-75 V For Vendetta #1-12 Uncanny X-Men #221, 222, 225-227, 234, 256-258, 267, 269, 270-277, 281, 282, 283, Annual #9. 10, 14 Web of Spiderman #1, 18, 29, 31, 32 Wolverine #1 X-O Manowar #1, 4 X-Factor #6, 24 Issues of note: Action Comics #584, 598, 683, 684 Adventures of Superman #463, 496. 497 Airboy #5 Akira #1 Albedo #3 Aliens #3-6, Vol 2 1-4 Aliens vs. Predator #1 All-Star Squadron #47 Alpha Flight #13, 17, 33, 34, 52, 53, 87-90, 106 Amazing Spiderman #254-261, 274, 275, 276, 281, 284, 327, 329, 346, 347, 359, 360 Animal Man #2-4 Avengers #263, 329 Batman #408-410, 416, 423, 433-435, 437-441, 450, 451, 465, 489-492 Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #1 Bone #1 2nd Caliber Presents #2, 15 Caliber Christmas Special Captain America #300, 323, 328, 335-350, 366, 383 Cerebus #147, 161 Crisis On Infinite Earths #2-6, 9-11 Daredevil #219, 236 Dark Horse Presents #1, 10, 34-36, 51-62 Defenders #152 Detective Comics #566, 604-607 Doom Patrol #20-25 Elektra Assassin #1-8 Excalibur Special Excalibur #1, 57, 58 Fantastic Four #250-292, 296, 321, 325, 358 Flaming Carrot #6-15 GI Joe #60 Ghost Rider #2-6, 15 Green Arrow Long Bow Hunters #1-3 Green Arrow #1 Green Hornet #1 Green Lantern #194, 200, 224 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #2-6 Grendel #35-39 Groo #29 Hellblazer #2-10, 25, 26, 40-50 Incredible Hulk #300, 314, 327, 348, 368-376, 379, 400 Infinity, Inc #15-37, Annual #1 Iron Man #191, 192, 200, 226-232, 244, 250, 282, 283 Justice League #2-7, 18, 19 Kitty Pryde & Wolverine #1 Legends #6 L.E.G.I.O.N. #4 Mage #2-5, 7-15 Magnus Robot Fighter #2-4, 6-11 Marvel Team-Up #150 New Mutants #85, 89-92, 99, Special Edition #1 New Teen titans #34, 39, 42, 43, Annual #3 New Teen Titans #1 (Baxter) New Titans #50-54, 60, 61 New Warriors #1 The Nam #1 Nick Fury vs. Shield #1-6 Omega #1 Omega Men #37 Poison Elves #8-10 (Mulehide) Predator #2-4 Punisher #2-5, 8, 9 Punisher War Journal #1, 6, 7 Robin #1 Rocketeer Special Edition #1 Rocketeer Adventure Magazine #1 Rom #75 Rust #12 Sandman #9-20, 23-45 Shadowman #1-3 Silver Surfer #1, 36-50, 75 Spawn #2-4 Spectacular Spiderman #116, 119, 141-143, 159-160 Solar #2-9, 11 Star Wars #80-99 Superman #1, 9, 73, 74 Superman Man of Steel #19 Swamp Thing #26-33, 35, 36, 41-64, 84 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 3rd, #2 2nd, #5-8 Tick #3-8 Thor #350-384, 411 Web of Spiderman #30, 38, 48, 59. 60, Annual #2 West Coast Avengers #1-4 Wolverine #2-9, 17, 41, 42 Wonder Woman #329, 1 X-Factor #1, 5, 40, 41, 42 X-O Manowar #2, 3, 5, 6 * How I determine "status": recognition + popularity of book + popularity of character + value. Not everyone may agree with all placing, but it will be close. Books that are expensive, but not necessarily recognized (like Albedo #0 first printing variants) aren't going to be "major keys" and so forth. Likewise, a book may not necessarily be very expensive, but may be immensely popular, to be considered a "key" (a la X-Men #248.) Status can and has changed over the years. (if you see an issue missing, check the date range given. It might fall out of that range.) Did I forget anything....?

If you give me a concrete set of Copper years, beginning and end, I'll give you the keys, semi-keys, and issues of note.

Interesting thread. I believe MM #1-24 will never be reprinted again, and #25-26 will never be published. I hope I'm wrong.

Who is "the Punisher".....?

tsk tsk tsk....all those off-center books. Such junk. Well, at least you can sell them to me. What say 15% of GPA....? (Seriously, well done. You get any of these books from Ed?)

yay! I have something to post! My earliest Barks, low, low grade....but still a key issue.

No. The last VCC was the first one I ever checked out. And that's not shipped, right?

I honestly don't know. I would imagine the last 10 issues might. I think the reason they've been hard for more is that they're magazines, and a lot of stores don't like carrying magazines.

I love Epic. I really, really do. It is, bar none, my favorite comic magazine series. I just wish I could find the copies I need in reasonable shape for less than $10/each. Shipping is dangerous, and expensive, and no store locally stocks them. The search goes on!

I don't have the Epic #1 signed by Frazetta (I donated my copy to the recipient), but lemme hunt around and see if I can find a picture of it. (RMA hunts around a bit.....) Ah, here it is: This was from chainnball's second round, and I reallllly wish Frazetta had used the gold pen on my Vampi #1....but that's ok. She's a beaut, ain't she? I'm surprised it got a 9, but I'm thinking it was cause Mrs. Frazetta handled this one a little rough....

I LOVE Epic. I'm missing quite a few, but I can never find them cheap. I need #4-24 ish, minus a few issues. I have #25-34, and #1-3. One of my #1s was signed by the Master!

They're low on some, especially the odd-ball stuff. See below: Yeah, I was more "in general"....the westerns, reprints, etc...well....it'd take some reallll hard times for me to part with my Kid Colt #209...which should have graded a lot higher than "5"...grrr

X-men 100 is a variant of the circle price type yeah, yeah, whatev....it's still an "obvious" one.

I don't think this assessment is really accurate. If you're looking for 30 centers, you know what they are, whether they are "starbursted" (like X-Men #100), or not (like Iron Fist #4.) I suppose to the casual looker who doesn't know better, they might be a bit of purchases based on this, but how much could that really account for? The 30 centers were tested in 1976, the 35s in 1977, almost exactly a year apart. These details may seem picky, but they are important when trying to deconstruct what happened and how. Absolutely agreed. Interesting point to consider: the OPG in the mid 80's noted that X-Men #98 and 99 had a price variant, got it wrong a couple of years ("35 cent cover"), and even pointed out in the Update that they were "NOT RARE!" Star Wars #1 is the most famous (and long known) price variant, but obviously others were acknowledged long before they became "popular." What doesn't make sense is this: If Star Wars #1 was known almost from the day it was printed...why did no one make the connection with #2-4, at the very least? Nobody knows.

PRINT RUN. Not EXTANT. There's a difference. I think OPG is low on the 35 centers. I do not believe they are low on the 30s.

I dont think 3 guys are looking for these as you claim..Thats a bit ridiculous to say the least//Yeah you 3 are the only ones in the country that are looking for them... Any shmo who can pick up a price guide sees them listed as variant And the 35 centers are much rarer i hate to tell you..30 centers are all over..So a guy found 20 MSA#3s?? So whats your point? SO now its NOT rare 20 copies is nothing..As far as being high grade,,look at the census theres only SEVEN graded ones on the list,,wheres the 20 you said he had graded out ..up to 9.4..?? Dont see em on the census at all. their arent that many high grade ones out there let alone NON graded examples. 1 9.4 1 9.2 2 9.0 1 8.5 1 7.5 1 5.0....seems rare in high grade to me.. I have looked through MANY a long box and i know what to look for and have found a grand total of THREE...I can say ive seen a minimum 100 30 centers..MINIMUM.. Rare is realtive I guess. but in my experience 35 centers are very rare..maybe you have had great luck and found a ton. just out of curiousity..Are you finding them by the ton in boxes that people are overlooking? I doubt that .. If you are I need to go to some of the shows that you go to cuz I am not having much luck at all.. My .02.. You can disagree with someone without being abrasive. Honest. SA didn't say the Super Actions were CGC graded...

Hey SA! As I think has been discussed over at STL, and which opinion I share, I think it's been concluded that the 35 centers were actually printed in much smaller quantities than their 30 cent counterparts. We have a general idea about how many copies of each of the 35 centers were printed (1500 or thereabouts.) I don't think it's a matter of perception....after all, these have been sought after for over a decade now....I think it's that these are much rarer than the 30s, and I think the census and sales data reflects this.

I have only found one 35 center in the wild, ever...and I've been looking since the early 90's...that was Marvel Presents #12. Lots of 30 centers, including Kid Colt #209....only 1 35 center.