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Let’s not forget about the Hulk 181 9.0 that is clearly a previous 8.5 qualified!

On 12/24/2023 at 11:59 AM, migmtl76 said:

The scammer had about 10 specific books he targeted, that FF4 is an outlier.

 

That is true but how many more people out there are like this dummy?

On 12/24/2023 at 12:36 PM, Buzzetta said:

The debate seems to rest on what is entered into the computer versus what is actually processed... 

I think... 

The Hulk 181 9.0 is clearly the same book as the 8.5 missing the value stamp cause the scans are on cgc for both slabs! 4265040003 and 4283015003

On 12/24/2023 at 11:46 AM, Buzzetta said:

I have a feeling that Heritage will be fine. 

How are they sure that’s the book there buying tho?

It’s a sad day in comic collecting when greed and vanity has taken over the hobby!Heritage has a huge grail auction coming up I wonder how many will sell for far less now?

Buy the book not the slab problem solved!

On 12/23/2023 at 4:36 PM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

got something similar 

Me to there geting ready to shut this down!

On 12/23/2023 at 3:27 PM, paqart said:

Not me. I only own a little over 100 slabs, and they aren't susceptible to this problem. None are in our guy's target value range, most couldn't have MJ inserts, and those that could, aren't labelled that way. If they have them, it's a freebie. I do have some MJI comics, not a lot, but all are raw.

I could understand if you sent it in raw but how are you 100 percent sure if the slabs been thru 10 or 15 people.

On 12/23/2023 at 1:05 PM, Comics said:

Here are some more - again if the pic is small it's all i have. If there are duplicates they are from duplicate auctions and may help. One interesting thing I found - in 2016 he sold a CBCS Hulk 181 with "CGC it " in the title. I feel even an insufficiently_thoughtful_person wouldn't do that if they had swapped out a MVS missing book for a good one...

Good work!

On 12/23/2023 at 11:34 AM, CJ Design said:

This is crazy...so to interject more questionable issues...because I've been burned on Raws...FF 2,3,4,11,15, 33 DD 5, 7 ASM 3, 20, 21, 23 Avengers 2 TTA 62 TOS 55 and many others Have Pinups

Ask for pics and go thru your book it’s that simple 😂

On 12/23/2023 at 10:59 AM, VintageComics said:

If you don't like the post, ignore it. End of story.

If I want to splice atoms, I'm going to do it. Stop telling people how to post. Your living room is not my laptop. 

I didn't beat you up. I explained, based on my extensive experience (I subbed my 1st books in 2003), 1000's of submissions and 100's if not 1000's of personal, direct discussions with CGC.  

You were speculating out of your butt and I disagreed. 

When you started to make it personal about me, the beatings started, and they will continue for as long as they need to. 

It puts doubt in peoples minds what’s in that slab is not the real thing and I’m sure people are worried!

On 12/23/2023 at 8:29 AM, sledgehammer said:

We should start a poll.

1. Briva3 is the only guy

2.  Ok, probably 1-4 guys are this sinister.

3. At an exponential growth pattern, and the dark web, there are probably at least 25 guys that are now doing this.

4. 50% of reholders since 2020 are now fraudulent lower graded copies

I mean, who the  knows, and who has ventured a guess so far? Why would the guess be relevant?

There’s 9 billion people on earth it could be thousands out there!

On 12/23/2023 at 1:08 AM, drotto said:

Until someone with deep pockets and 100k's worth of books takes them to court. You advertise as a grading expert that certifies books and condition, the law will treat you as an expert. 

I could also see a lawer bring a class action suit on the same basis.  This is the US, people love to sue, and we have lots of layers looking for work.

I can see tables of grading experts called as witnesses to argue over books in court.  Could be very entertaining.

Exactly imagine someone breaking out there 8.0 Fantastic four 1 for a regrade and it comes back restored.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot of silver age slabs involved in this!

On 12/22/2023 at 10:36 PM, Mijael.Levy said:

I am getting tired of the youtubers. "I found two more" . We already understand no need for another stupid video 

It’s okay man just crack your books out and make sure there real 😂

The scammer seems to be only doing it with high volume books and switching 9.6 copies into 9.8 slabs!

The buyer of the hulk 181 needs to come forward and have there book cracked open to see if the marvel stamp is missing problem solved!

On 12/22/2023 at 6:28 PM, Buzzetta said:

Leave my mom the F alone. 

Yo what’s up friend crazy times here!

On 12/22/2023 at 4:56 PM, Changer said:

Hey can we all get back to comic collecting,

btw I have a hulk 181 9.0 I might be willing to sell

Is it missing the value stamp 🤣

On 12/22/2023 at 4:03 PM, brute_nm said:

As we approach 75 pages, I'm worried that the details of the seller and the scam will get lost in all the side conversations and bickering.  Here's my attempt at summarizing what we know right now.

I know this is a rapidly-evolving situation, and stuff will likely change in coming days/weeks, but hopefully this helps distill the thread down to a digestible level.

Nice work!

On 12/22/2023 at 11:38 AM, skybolt said:

Thinking about all the logistics involved with this scam, I find it hard to believe that the seller is the only person involved in this scheme. Yes, this person is likely coordinating this stuff with CGC and selling the slabs, but I bet he has a couple of guys in the back room doing all the grunt work. There's no way this person could do all this at once without making mistakes earlier.

Inside job!

On 12/22/2023 at 10:59 AM, comicwiz said:

Nope. And that's another thing the YouTuber doing the heavy lifting of analysis and info from here is perpetuating as "his" theory/discovery.

Are you the scammer are just worried about your books you can’t read?

On 12/22/2023 at 5:54 AM, agamoto said:

Trust CGC will do everything they can to isolate this to one person, but since it's a scam that's worked remarkably well on some very high dollar books, over and over again, we may never know how many tried and succeeded doing the same thing. It could be one person doing it, it could be 20, it could be 200 people. We only even know about this because someone was sharp enough to spot the obvious problems on a swapped-out book when one of the miscreants got too greedy. 

If nothing else comes of this, at least now I have a pretty arguable reason why I've seen so many 9.8's that sure as hell looked like 9.2s 

It could be tens of thousands of books out there that’s why I don’t like slabs!

On 12/21/2023 at 10:02 PM, agamoto said:

FYI, here's a pic showing this sellers 20 biggest sales since 2011.

That JSCampbell Wolverine cover... He apparently sold it, twice. In 2022, and again in 2023.

How the frig can this guy afford the eBay fees?!? Surely, eBay has a limit to the number of times the guy can claim no payment before they cut him off. 

Market manipulation and swooping out books could be a inside job?

On 12/21/2023 at 9:56 PM, drotto said:

I suspect these are a mix of original books that were purchased, the swapped copy, and possibly the regraded "legitimate" book. He is obviously doing the same basic thing multiple times. 

If there’s one then there’s thousands all ready out there I bet!