The Green Ghost

On 3/30/2022 at 5:06 PM, Mapleleafvann said:

I don't think you name names yet.  A formal police report and case number is imperative for your position.  Escalation or not, ensure that eBay knows you will provide them with one.  Please be sure to document the name of the eBay rep you are talking to as well as the details of your conversation and time stamp it via personal email to yourself with the above.  This is just another layer of protection, but it has its worth in weight as well.

I couldn't even get on the line with them today and they just sent me an informal email that I must upload the incident report if I want the refund (which seems like them taking the side of the guy, this is not normal protocol) but I will, thanks. Doesn't hurt to be protected and the police report is probably a necessary step for me if not eBay.

eBay really did not handle it well; it's not the fault of the original supervisor, but telling me to call on the day it's time to ask them to step in, and then refusing to even give me a call back because the other guy initiated the escalation at midnight and sides were apparently chosen when he couldn't provide one answer during the entire five day return window, is so lame. It was like pulling teeth getting a supervisor on the phone at all.

On 3/29/2022 at 4:43 PM, Mapleleafvann said:

Contacting eBay and keeping a clear log of event timelines is great, but I also think you should be filing a formal police report.  What this seller did is against the law and he or she committed a federal offense for mail fraud.  A formal police report does have weight in this circumstance and has actually either made eBay step up to the plate and cover the loss or even have the offending character state that they made a mistake.  I would highly suggest this too for @Kevin76

I'm making the police report. Unbelievably, eBay would not connect me to a supervisor so I'm waiting for a call back. Got the same advice from the lower level rep in the high claims department, so that's what I'm doing. Apparently he jumped the gun to escalate the claim (after waiting the entire days and refusing to appeal) that I made the whole thing up, so eBay has put it under review for another four days without getting in touch with me. Pretty frustrating, as the advice I got every time was wait to call and speak to a supervisor, don't just escalate the claim online. 

At which point do I name him? I keep waiting for eBay to rule because I'm wary of doxxing. I'm worried he's on this forum and monitoring the thread, but he's clearly got a screw loose and has done so many illegal things thus far including felony theft.

Edit: eBay has sent a message that I need to file an incident report with the police and scan it and they will rule in my favor. No problem. Spoke to my local station and they couldn't have been nicer about facilitating this. Hopefully it will all work out at this point. I got a message from eBay warning me for abusive buyer policy, no big mystery as to who instigated that, but whatever. Just frustrating I didn't get to give my side to a rep after waiting five days to escalate the claim. I have no idea if a police report is standard procedure in these situations or I'm being singled out, but was doing it anyway after the advice from multiple people.

On 3/28/2022 at 1:30 AM, Gaard said:

@The Green GhostAny update on the empty case dispute?

I'm going to call eBay tomorrow and hopefully get my money back. The scamming seller hasn't made one reply to the open return dispute, which is pretty much proof positive that he knows what he did. I'll name him as soon as it's resolved, on the off-chance he decides to make it right on its own. I'm more worried about the fact that he's sending messages to try to buy my item off eBay under a different name, it's just baffling and makes me paranoid about selling myself.

On 3/27/2022 at 4:00 PM, Bird said:

jackpotcomics

I guess Friday night/Sat am he made and offer which I accepted on a lot of 3 RWBY 7, he paid that night but just now canceled order

bummer as it was an offer to a few watchers and now I have to relist, was hot and I feel like he took advantage. so blocked.

 

I had a buyer ask to cancel on me too and had to relist, he said he couldn't figure out PayPal credit (which isn't my responsibility) but I did it for him. I don't want to be one of those petty sellers who insists someone who clearly isn't going to pay has to, wanted to just get it back up. Sometimes people really are clueless, at least he didn't try to rip off.

The weirder part is that someone messaged me and said I needed to put an explanation in my relist as to why it's back up- he thinks it appears as if I'm trying to double sell an item I no longer have. This seems self explanatory, it would be delusional to me to put some long explanation in the item description as if the 30 or so watchers even care or can't figure it out...

On 3/25/2022 at 9:56 AM, Pontoon said:

Why did the seller get mad?

I barely had any interaction with him and nothing to warrant this. He didn't respond to messages and waited 5 days to ship, I had to ask him politely if he knew when he'd upload tracking, and then this happened. Nothing outrageous or inflammatory on my part, and the message from the person who lives ten minutes away from him trying to buy from me offsite of eBay came the same day as the sale.

On 3/25/2022 at 5:29 AM, CGC Mike said:

Moderation doesn't get involved with disputes between buyers and sellers.  Here is the official wording.

Note that buyers and sellers have full responsibility for their transactions. CGC will not resolve disputes. Purchases and sales are done at your own risk.

 

Then do I just name him? What recourse do I have to defend my name if he comes on and claims the same?

I suppose I will see how it plays out. But I'm not not expecting the mods to "do" anything, sometimes we just want to get ahead things to feel like you handled a tremendously awful situation as best you can.

On 3/25/2022 at 4:45 AM, Ryan. said:

Speak to a mod about an ebay issue?

Since we're dealing with high value CGC books it's likely he may be on this very forum himself. And I don't want to flat out state his actual name until it's acceptable to do so.

On 3/25/2022 at 3:12 AM, csaag said:

Ugh.  Does the label on that empty indicate the weight of the package? Obviously  if it shows just the weight of the box then you have your proof of what he did.  

Unfortunately he put an opened/empty CGC case in the box, so unless the weight of the comic would offset it by an ounce it wouldn't really "prove" too much. That's why I'm hoping to speak with a mod the way they verify on reddit or whatever, he clearly did this for a reason and I can't believe he thinks that I'm not going to get my money back so I'm guessing it's to dox me. He carefully took photos of packing it, he planned the whole thing. But it's so insane it's ludicrous, he paid $64 to ship it overnight. It is so nonsensically beyond the pale.

Then again, he clearly isn't a rocket scientist- the person seemingly not him trying to buy from me off of eBay not only lives in the same town but TEN MINUTES away from him, and I absolutely have proof of that.

On 3/24/2022 at 12:21 PM, Lazyboy said:

Stop wasting our time. It's not like you're actually going to submit it this time, any more than you did last time you were ing about the book.

I did answer your question. It's not complicated. You have to know what you have and submit it as such. Anything else opens the door to problems for you. But you're just another whiner who doesn't want to have to pay to play.

And you're a bully who talks down to people and finds situations to try to embarrass them or belittle them because it gives you imagined power. I wasn't asking you anything and the question had been answered, but you like to insert yourself into drama and then never quit until you get the last word. Would you like me to link to that? So stop whining indeed.

On 3/24/2022 at 2:18 PM, Three Six Two Four Three Six said:

He wants to know if he can get reimbursed for the one Mylar he's going to use before he hands the book in:

 

You need to stop. What you're doing is inappropriate and slimy. I can ask whatever I want just as anyone is free to clearly not answer it. What you don't have a right to do is link to multiple posts I make in an attempt to mock me, which is exactly the disappointing culture around here. If your life is so empty that you want to go through my entire post history to make yourself feel big in some way, you are truly pathetic.

There are a lot of assumptions being made here and most all of them are off base such as how "cheap" I am and trying to swindle poor CGC. Many of you are acting like children, and I was correct in my assumption that you like kicking the can and just wanted to demand pics when it served no purpose because you felt I was beneath you, or because you felt I was out to get a free buck and wanted to silence me. I got my answer, and yet the whining and derision still continues. This certainly says more about your lack of character than my own.

Would love to speak to a mod about this but want to get ahead of the situation- having an issue with a seller who got mad at me (or is clearly unstable) and sent me an empty box for a book worth several thousand dollars. He knew exactly what he was doing. It's currently under review by eBay but the situation is obviously distressing, and no one wants to be doxxed the other way around- the seller clearly knows that me claiming I got an empty box looks like I'm trying to scam *him*, and is trying to work it. I got a message from someone who wanted to buy one of my items off of eBay who happens to live in the exact same city as him, so could use any and all advice on how to protect myself. Thank you.

On 3/24/2022 at 6:37 AM, Jennifer F. said:

Good morning,

Thank you for your message.  When a book is manufactured in such a way that it is missing some component that it was supposed to have, we designate it as a "MANUFACTURING ERROR", assign it a Green Qualified label, and state in the label text exactly what it is being Qualified for. For instance: "MANUFACTURED WITHOUT HOLOGRAM ATTACHED TO COVER", or "MANUFACTURED WITHOUT BLACK INK ON COVER". These are the type of errors that usually affect an extremely small amount of the print run.

There are some comics where a substantial amount of the print run was affected by some error, where the number of errors released number in the hundreds, or even thousands. CGC will actually assign the error as its own "Variant Name", so to speak, and treat the book essentially as if was intended to be printed that way, complete with a Blue Universal label (although the Key Comment on the label will still explain what the error is). The error book at that point has, for lack of a better term, graduated into being its very own variant, based purely on the sheer number of copies that were released.

You can certainly notate the error on your order but if it is a well known error then our graders most likely would also be aware of it as well. 

If you have any other questions, please let us know.  Thank you!

Thanks, the latter (of your second paragraph) is what I was referring to, such as the Venom Lethal Protector 'black cover' error. All I want to know is, do I just submit it as a regular copy of the comic and let CGC figure it out since technically I can't say for certain if it IS the error? It only matters in terms of the insurance paid up front, but I don't want to mistakenly presume it's the error when it isn't and then overpay on that front. Thank you very much-

On 3/23/2022 at 8:05 PM, Lazyboy said:

Your premise is insane. It might be impossible to help you because you're just too far outside the realm of reason here.

But of course you're not "asking whether it was the error or not".

CGC might mislabel it, just because they're so good at messing up, but they won't somehow decide it's not the error version if it actually is. They've graded lots of copies and it has its own entry in their system, unlike the vast majority of manufacturing defects.

Everybody who gets this book graded knows what they have and submits it as such. Anybody with a brain also creates and saves images of their books before submission, so showing us yours shouldn't be a big deal, whether it's the error or not.

Do you just insult people to feel superior or smug all the time? And if it's such a no-brainer, I didn't see you or anyone besides the one gentleman trying to answer my original question instead of five posts demanding pics. Showing pics had nothing to do with what I wanted to know and is just another typical dogpile here where people smell blood in the water. I know what I have. Not what I was asking.

You always come in to snidely mock or deride someone, and you've done it to me several times on threads where I wasn't bothering anyone. You think because you don't curse you have the high ground (such as "anyone with a brain"), but you must be absolutely miserable if this is the way you constantly want to make yourself feel better.

On 3/23/2022 at 9:49 AM, Lazyboy said:

It's impossible for anybody who possesses any knowledge and intelligence to not say with 100% certainty if it's the error or not

If you read what I said you would know I wasn't asking whether it was the error or not, but why let that get in the way of your usual snotty attitude, right? You're always there to offer an unhelpful word since everyone lets you get away with it, don't mistake that for being "right."

With most comics it either is or is not a certain issue or variant and there isn't much wiggle room. But an error variant is technically the same version as a regular comic with an unofficial difference, that no fan merely guessing can say with any certainty.

So do I just submit it as a regular comic and CGC will on their own figure out if it's an error version (if it's a well known error of a particular issue), or do I submit it specifically as the error version if I want a chance of it being notated as such? What if I'm mistaken and paid the higher insurance value mistakenly for what amounts to just being the regular version; do I get a refund? I'm sure you can see the logistical quandary. Thank you-

On 3/23/2022 at 4:07 AM, The Velcronomicon said:

Not on this board. All you have to do is post a picture of the book.

I don't want to know or care if you think it's the error or not. I'm asking what everyone who gets this book graded does. And I'm pretty sure the answer from CGC is not "post on the board first and have people who don't work for us judge your comic ahead of time." This is when the board gets frustrating, when people refuse to be helpful and it becomes a game of withholding an answer to a legitimate question (how does one submit any error comic to CGC since nothing is ever a certainty) like we're in kindergarten.

Say for argument's sake everyone says it's the error version, so what? It doesn't mean CGC will agree. Conversely if you say it isn't, that doesn't help me in any way if I want to still try to submit it to CGC that way. Still doesn't give me the answer if they'll figure it out on their own. They certainly won't notate it however I want just because I submitted it that way.

On 3/23/2022 at 6:09 AM, Jennifer F. said:

Hello, yes, generally everything is replaced when you submit for a reholder.  The grade of the book should not change unless any damage occurred to the book post encapsulation.  

Thank you!

One more q if I may- would a book graded by another company like CBCS need to be paid for as an entire new grading as if from scratch, or could it qualify as a "reholder"? I wouldn't expect CGC to necessarily agree with the same grade, but I would like to save money if I can if just moving it from one encapsulation to another. Thank you.

On 3/22/2022 at 6:24 AM, Jennifer F. said:

Good morning, thank you for your message.  When submitting at a show, you should have your books bagged and boarded and also have your packing slip completed and ready to go.  Your packaging will not be able to be returned, unfortunately.  

When submitting for a reholder, everything will be replaced and given the most updated version of our inner well and holder.

If you have any other questions, please let us know.  Thank you!

Hi, so for the second question, you mean to say that if it's in the older kind of case and I just want to pay for a reholder, CGC will not simply move the existing inner well but will replace the entire thing? Is there going to be a complete regrading in that instance whether I want it or not? Wanted to do the reholder simply to cut down on the risk of rehandling, as a very old comic. Thank you-

On 3/22/2022 at 5:10 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I'm editing the original post. It's like pulling teeth getting an answer from anyone. If I had said "is there any way around paying the insurance fee," yeah that would sure so down better...

On 3/21/2022 at 8:57 PM, The Velcronomicon said:

You choose the submission tier by how much you want to insure the book for. If it's worth more than $400 to you it can't be submitted under Modern.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Do I need to presume it's the error variant to even have a hope of it being notated that way, or if I'm getting the book grade anyway just submit it as a regular copy and hope it works out? I think it's a special case because most every other book is what it is.

What's the best way to hand it off to CGC in person at a convention? I have no idea how they take it back with them. I don't want to waste a really nice mylar or a box but if they're just stacking them back to back, yeah, I probably would.

On 3/21/2022 at 8:30 PM, jokiing said:

How about a picture of your Venom so that we can help determine if it's actually a variant?... since you're not 100% sure

It's hard for me to upload pics but I'm pretty sure. Asking more as a general principle about this book and how others submit it.

Do I just submit it as the regular version and let CGC figure it out, or do I hedge my bets and denote it as such on the form to be sure it'll get the proper notation? Since it's impossible for anyone to say on their own with 100% certainty if it's the error or not. I don't want to have to overpay the insurance based on a misassumption if CGC decides it's just the regular version after all. Not looking for opinions on my own copy, just what everyone else who submits this comic has done.

Hi, if physically giving a book to CGC at a convention to take for grading, what should I put it in for best protection? Regular bag and board, box etc? And will I get this packaging back with my graded submission if it's something I want returned?

Also, if I want to do a reholder of a book with the older label, will the old inner well fit in a new outer case or would the whole thing need to be redone? I'm assuming it wouldn't go in a "new" older version of the old-style case. Thank you-