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That would be great, but I don't think we'll get there even with an AI model, at least not at first. A lot of people think of AI as a soulless and emotionless arbiter that only concerns itself with facts and logic, but that's only true to a certain extent. AI models can still have biases and inaccuracies depending on how they were trained, for all we know once we start rolling out machine learning models for grading people will say its biased towards yellow covers and gives them higher grades because most of the high grade books it was trained on were yellow so it sees yellow as a sign of high grade, or that it's inaccurate at grading Golden Age books because it wasn't trained on enough of them. And that's not even with going into the possibility of someone finding potential exploit in the models (imagine the exact model gets leaked by an "inside man") and people find out how to get restoration past it, how to hide certain defects from it, etc. Most of these issues could be resolved by using an AI model alongside a human grader, and most of them would probably get resolved as the model matures, but I don't think we're close to a 100% fair, near perfect, consistent, and fast program, I don't think anyones even really working on a first iteration of such a model (You would have to collect a large enough dataset first to even attempt it, and according to some other people's opinions the current capability of hi-res scans wouldn't be sufficient)

I like it, they're really cute! It reminds me of the pigs and birds from Angry Birds

Hey, stop that, you apologist

The fact that people are still saying this is baffling to me. You can read a comic in a thousand ways and still have a copy of it in a slab It's stupid to believe everyone who likes slabs doesn't read comics

Some more examples of this, I have an Elektra page by Sean Chen where he did his prelims on the back of the same board, I also have a few Terry Dodson pieces with prelims on the back, and used to have an Adriana Melo piece with prelims on the back. So it's completely normal (and to me it's a pretty neat bonus) to find

It's just preliminary sketches done on the back of the board as opposed to a separate board to save paper, it's reversed so that they can reference the prelims while drawing the finished pencils on the other side of the board (and yeah probably using a lightbox) and have it all oriented the way they meant. Some artists just like doing their prelims that way, another artist who's known for doing this a lot is Fernando Pasarin (and his prelims are usually really big and thorough), and there are others, it's not too uncommon.

If we think CGC is ignoring the situation, it is due to our lack of understanding

Yeah I edited my post (not quick enough though, this thread is zooming lol), I thought about it and figured you might have meant detect pressing for the same book given a previous scan of it and a current scan, that's 100% doable

If pressing is truly done in a way thats undetectable, AI isn't going to make a magic bullet for detecting it. A good rule of thumb is that if a human can't do a task for a single example, you can't make a machine learning model that can either. The model would have to be trained on a dataset of hi-res scans that are labelled (in the dataset, not the actual slab label) as pressed or not pressed, and if the only way we can tell that a book is pressed is if it is explicitly disclosed to us and there's nothing about the actual scans that we can use to gleam that, then there's nothing the model can learn to categorize pressed vs not pressed, at best you're going to make a coin flip machine. What you could do (and maybe this is what you meant in the first place, forgive me if I misinterpreted) is given a before and after scan of the same book, you can tell whether pressing was done, and train an AI to do the same.

Neither, although I don't own it anymore, I've since sold it along with most of my other comics about a year ago but I still have a picture of it. I use to have a sizable Campbell collection in the registry

I didn't keep the address and ebay doesn't give me anything about that order anymore except for my own address at the time and the tracking number which doesn't work anymore, but I think I remember it coming from Phoenix AZ, I remember religiously looking at the tracking at time since it was a big book for me at the time (It was the Campbell variant for Siege #3)

I thought the name sounded familiar, I think I won an auction from Zaneglor in 2020. But I checked my ebay purchase history and saw the seller's name as aureliaag. I thought that sounded odd so I went to https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/aureliaag and it has a little symbol next to their name that says the user ID has changed recently, so I tried putting zaneglor in that feedback profile URL and it leads to the same page with the same feedbacks https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/zaneglor . I don't know why ebay doesn't just show you ID history anymore but this seems to be a hacky workaround if you know what you're searching for. So zaneglor is currently aureliaag, but hasn't sold anything for a couple years it seems.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/zaneglor It seems that account doesn't exist anymore, or am I doing something wrong? Edit: or this could be the terminated account he used during 2011-2015 for those older listings you found on Worthpoint

Ebay fees are capped at $750 IIRC, so on the really big "sales" he didn't have to pay that much (relatively) in fees

WTTB

Knowing what goes in the QC thread, they would probably ship out slabs forgetting to put the stickers on (or put them in the wrong place)

Sure I can agree with that but I think you're being disingenuous when you say all other guys...we all know there's really only one other guy , and I also think its stupid and equally predictable that when something goes seriously bad here that people will start to use it as a platform to tout the "superiority" of some other guys despite their difference in circumstances. But yeah, back to the actual topic we can go edit: (Please don't just quote the part I wrote in parenthesis above with some snide remark and ignore the rest of my statement) edit2: I just went ahead and removed it

Yeah, and I was replying to you claiming that he must only say that because he's never owned an other guy slab. I read that as you implying that it's only other guy slabs that aren't suspect, that other guy slabs could never possibly be suspect I couldn't disagree more (if that's what you meant)

This really comes off as you looking at the other guys with rose tinted glasses. I've cracked some other guy slabs and CGC slabs, I didn't feel much difference (and I do still own one other guy slab, albeit all the other guy slabs I've ever owned are/were a couple years old, so I don't know if they've gone through another iteration since I've had any). The guy who replied below me says he has an easier time cracking other guy slabs with no damage, so it seems mileage may vary on that aspect. But regardless, even if given the other guys truly did have a sturdier and harder to crack slab, if there was enough financial reason to do so I don't think it would stop a motivated scammer (and given the hoops that this scammer is going through to do this exploit, I don't think it would stop him either. Even in the 20 pages of discussion early on where people were trying to figure out exactly how hes doing this, whether he owns his own sonic weld or not, how he's closing them well enough to fool CGC, there was no definitive conclusion, even we're not sure what hes doing now). I truly don't think the other guys are so above it all that if they were in CGC's position in terms of volume/scale/reputation that they wouldn't fall under the same level of attack from malicious actors, and same level of scrutiny from the community (Which is why when they do have their own incidents, it mostly goes unnoticed, because no one really cares. Like how that issue from last year when the other guys lost about 300 books from Clan McDonalds because they let a grader take the books home to work on them there. That issue was hot for about a week, discussed here for a little bit, and then faded away). But as long as we agree that the other guys would get hit with some exploits even if not this exact one, then that's fine. And just to be straight, I don't even collect comic books in any form anymore (I've held on to a few that have special meaning for me), I don't submit to anyone, so I have no dog in the race either way.

If the other guys were the leader in the industry and not seen as lesser by the market in valuation there would be people figuring out similar exploits for them. The only reason they don't is because its not as lucrative as exploiting CGC slabs. And for this specific exploit its easier when theres a lot more CGC slabs out in the wild to play with than other guy slabs

Yeah that's what I figured, I'm just busting chops. I took the advice that was on page 35 or so and traded in the popcorn for alcohol while reading this thread.

Yeah that's good enough for me, I'm trying to see if I can find the ebay account from these prior to 2016 listings you screenshotted. He might have gotten that old account terminated due to this line in those old descriptions: "And as always willing to do direct deals via paypal for those with excellent Feedback!!!" (realized that snippet was kind of hard to read)

If you had read 1 page back, two of us already told him it was discussed before

Yeah that checks out, a listing from Feb 2016 and his account was made in Feb 2016. What I'm more interested in is whether the listings prior to 2016 are the same dude, because that means there was another account he was selling under at the time.

Yeah someone linked to the response here: