comicginger1789

Nice! My scenario was similar with the Avengers Annual 10 I had. Wish I kept photos cuz that thing was terribly cut. I was going to send in but someone offered me a trade even with the miscut that I didn’t wanna turn down

Solution? Send it in! Im intrigued to know if it was trimmed or not

I meant purple ya

Hmm tough to tell...that fraying is excessive. Not saying that couldn't also happen from production though...I mean if you sell it raw, you have all these visible flaws that buyers will be wary of and expect a discounted price because of them. If you grade and get green label, well then you know for sure and that will also take a hit when selling but it would be an honest sale where full disclosure of the trimming is given to a buyer. If it gets blue well, happiness all around as you should get the value of whatever grade it is (maybe a tad lower for not presenting as well).

Another thing to consider is the reason people trimmed comics in the first place. Trimming generally is seen on Golden and Silver age books primarily because the edges would chip and soften and back in the 80's and early 90's, people trimmed books to make them appear nicer. Restoration like this was not seen as negatively as it is now. This book, ASM 361, came out in 1992. It was printed on better quality paper (at least the covers were) that, 10 years from the time they came out, a lot of them that were cared for even slightly would still look amazing. That would put you into the early 2000's in terms of age for this book, a time when trimming was being viewed very negatively and would continue to be viewed until this day. So again, the reason for trimming this book seems like there might never have been one. Granted, it is possible some real amateur did a hack job on it sure, but that would have clear evidence. The likelihood that someone well versed in comics would have such a book trimmed professionally and have it look this horrible is very low. You can pay guys to trim books but generally they do it on old books as mentioned and they don't look this bad. All signs are pointing to a production flaw for me. Remember, they printed a lot of copies to the point where even if 1-2% experience some sort of cutting flaw from production, you are looking at several thousand comics at least with a flaw similar.

Another example of a more modern book with a similar terrible diagonal miscut

Finally, what is this where I have circled? It could be evidence of the fraying that is often seen when an amateur tries to trim...hard to tell though if this is present on cover only, pages, etc without better pictures.

Another way is if the pages stick out beyond the edges of the cover. If they do not, I mean it is possible to trim an entire book but you would see fraying along the cut edge or if they tried to trim each page, it would show a TON of variation with some pages sticking out more than others.

I am going to be the first here to suggest that I am leaning more towards no trim. I have seen horrible miscuts like this on books from the 80's and early 90's (I had an Avengers Annual 10 that was cut in such a way and I know it was never touched because it came out of a collection from someone who bought the books and then put them away). So it is definitely possible. What would help is a photo of the pages, similar to the views shown. In addition, if you notice any fraying along the cover edges and page edges. Finally, ask yourself why would someone trim this? Most likely answer would be to remove a flaw on the cover, meaning trimming the entire book is pointless and stupid. Not saying such a person doesn't exist but they would not try to trim the whole book for a flaw only present on the cover. If this slanted cut is present on front cover, all pages and back cover AND you see no signs of fraying AND your pages seem to resemble to first image below, (the second image is more evident when a book is trimmed, although easier to tell on older books than modern), I would say "no trim, but a bad cut job from production".

I mean it is impossible for someone who posts "I'll Take It" to know if a negotiation is happening. So yeah, you honour the "I'll Take It". Now suppose I was in a negotiation with someone and maybe I liked where it was heading (like say they were offering a trade and cash or whatever that intrigued me more than a straight cash sale), I would put pending for a period of time and spend time on them. Typically if pending is seen and someone still wants a book, they might at least put in a backup claim. That way you still don't miss out on a sale if the negotiations don't work out. But whoever PMed you supposedly knew the rules. They knew your ask and the risk of them negotiating is the risk that someone may grab it in the meantime. Sucks but it happens.

Also note that as I am not Dr. Strange, 100% of what I said above could be untrue 1 year from now.

Could you sell now for a nice profit? Yes Could you save and sell down the road for more profit? Yes Could you save and try to sell down the road and not make as much profit as you could selling now? Quite possible Could you save and try to sell down the road and make the same amount as you would had you sold now? Quite possible Could you sell now and see that book increase by double when a movie/show comes out? Possible...could happen in 3-5 years, could happen in 5-10 years, could happen in 10-20 years from now. Some things to consider... -economy seems very likely to take a hit (if it does not a lot of financial experts will look dumb) -comics, while unlikely to tank, will recede and likely not get the values like we have seen in the past year for at least 3 years or so as the economy rebounds -the book you have is pretty common in mid grade, be it graded or raw. And while Mephisto is a decent villain that could one day be seen, he also could not. Every other rumour about future spec has had credibility...all the Mephisto stuff of the past 6 months was purely internet people wanting it...no news, spec or anything. Plus, finding a deep Easter Egg in an earlier Avengers flick really caused people to go crazy (when, in reality, it was probably just the Easter Egg that Marvel meant it to be).

I'll take the best grade of any book for the best possible price. Miswraps are no bother to me at all. If someone wants to get paid more (or pay more) for one that is not, hey that is up to them. But if those books were presented to me and the properly wrapped one was priced higher, personally I would pass. Because I want the book and to me, the wrap is trivial.

Anytime I have a pricing question, I try to do the following: -look at graded sales - look at raw sales -search the boards for sales (takes time but can be done!) After all that, suppose book similar to mine sold 6 months ago for $200. Maybe I assume it has grown in value so perhaps I start price high, maybe $300-350 or whatever. If no one on here bites at books like that, then it gives me an idea that my prices are too high (so maybe I allow offer or slowly start to drop the price by $25-30 decrements).

Interesting...so you think the whole story is fabricated or at least blown up to try to inflate interest? So then...what WOULD the story be behind the comics? Surely they are actually comics that were found. Maybe the original story is nothing great (hey my great grandfather had comics he stored away from his shop and we've just had them all these years) and it was spun into something extremely elaborate, designed to pull at the heartstrings and potentially wallets of collectors. I mean...I know I sound like a naive insufficiently_thoughtful_person but to do that just seems bad. But we live in a world where I guess that could be just as likely. Surely, eventually, if the family and people become known, those close to them can validate the truth behind the tale. Right now, detective work and what not might figure out who it is but only time will solidify the story. It is a big enough collection in a big enough hobby that someone (a friend or someone) will know and validate the truth behind it.

But this book doesn't even have a cover...yet.....

I also think Fine is outta range. 4.5-5.0 for the size of the crease.

Could the story still be told just using the names we are given? Does knowing the true name (now) really matter to the story. Like you can call the brothers Bob and Lob and still tell their story in a lot of detail that, if someone REALLY wanted to get the real names from all the other info they could. I know I won't. I am more interested in the story.

All of what you said in the prior reply makes perfect sense. I am curious why the family obviously told enough of the story to connect dots but chose to not be like "Hey I am Ted and this was my insert relation here's collection!" If I had such a collection in my family, I would be proud. But I would also never sell it....so maybe therein lies part of the reason, as maybe they are worried someone will know they received a hefty sum for them when it is all said and done and if more public than just the comic community, it might open up some doors for some unsavoury people to think of doing unsavoury things.

So I have Ikea shelves with sturdy fabric bin inserts that I store my comics in (bins fit about as much as a shortbox, two rows per bin). I arrange each bin a certain way. For example, I have one shelf devoted to Marvel arranged as such... -3 ASM bins (that go in numbered order from one to the next) -an MTU and "other" Spidey bin -A Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel/Warlock bin -A Silver Surfer/Secrets Wars/Thanos bin -A Captain America/Iron Man bin - A Spectacular Spider-Man bin -A miscellaneous Marvel bin from A-L - A miscellaneous Marvel bin from M-Z -A Ghost Rider/Punisher bin -A Daredevil/Moon Knight bin - A Marvel "teams" bin (Avengers, Defenders, Champions) -A second "teams" bin (FF and Eternals) - A Thor/Conan/Kull bin - An all things X-Men bin And my other shelf, smaller, has - A Batman bin -A Detective comics bin -A treasuries bin -A Golden age books bin -A DC bin from A-L -A DC bin from L-Z -A Marvel graphic novel/magazine bin -An indie bin (Spawn, TMNT, etc.. probably my most unorganized as it is a catch all for most older Indie stuff) Finally, I have a long box full of newer stuff (most notably Hawkeye run, Birds of Prey and other random 2000 - now books) and a short box full of newer Indie stuff (Wytches, Descender, Sex Criminals, SIKTC). And that is my organization!

I am on the fence. The family wanted to remain anonymous. Obviously, eventually, I think the comic world will know who they are and the story (or already do if this detective work is all correct). Should it be revealed now? Later? Does it make a difference? That I don't know. Maybe it is something that should be revealed after the sales of the books? I don't know. Plus, what would revealing the names of these brothers (and possibly allowing people to link them to current day family) do for this family? Are comic fans going to harass them in some way? How or why? I want to make sure the family's wishes are respected but at the same time, I think the story is important for comic history and should be told. And since I cannot see a reason why telling the story would hurt the family, it is why I am leaning towards it continuing.

How DARE you tell a compelling story that I am reading while rocking my little one and make me wait longer to know the ending!!!!!! Here I was thinking I’d get some lovely comic knowledge at 2:30 in the AM but noooooooo, I have to wait until the morning or god forbid, 2am again! Inconceivable

Ok yeah I didn’t do anything like that’s. I just have seen one person (whose prominence in the community is unknown to me but he seems to have a healthy number of people supporting and paying attention) who this happened to with some modern books. I was just curious is all:)

Question...suppose a book I sent in back in January is still sitting. And suppose then, that book was worth oh around 200-300 on its current grade but when CGC gets around to grading it next month (hopefully) it is now a $600-700 book in that grade. Are they gonna charge me? And if so, how should I feel about this?

I agree with 9.4-9.6