William-James88

CGC just got back to me about this. The notation does not distinguish the difference between a centrefold which was never attached (so mistake at manufacturing) and a centrefold which was once detached and now detached. So both scenarios would give the same notation of "detached centrefold". However, the grade for each scenario is very different. A loose centrefold can still get a decent grade. Overstreet says you can get up to 6.0 and CGC might give it more if the book looks much better than a 6.0 (since the defect is not due to wear). So that means that unless we have grader notes, we can't really compare how much a "centrefold detached" notion takes away from a grades based on the slabs alone.

Man, this is a great topic, its to bad all the images are gone from the in depth comparisons

Thanks guys!

I agree 100% hence why I don't understand what is meant when saying there's an issue of opinions here.

For qualified books due to a signature, sure, but not for the ones with a defect. A 9.0 with major defect can never be worth as much as a 9.0 without the defect, so its not like your getting a deal by paying less for a qualified book. The green label is just so that you can have a higher number on the slab that reflects what the book looks like in a slab rather than have the actual grade incorporating the defect. And the market will treat it as such, so its basically ceteris paribus. From what I gather, the person has already lost money due to having spent more for the book than what it will be assessed to be worth. They then spent more money getting it graded a first time. I would suggest cutting one's losses here instead of spending more money to get a blue label, since the person attested to this being a rather low grade book to begin with.

I was trying to make my list but aside from Harley Quinn and Deadpool, most of the characters I don't like are characters most others hate too like The Hood, Sentry, Morgan Le Fay, Anti Venom, and Guy Gardner.

What are the opposing opinions in this case? Are you suggesting CGC is mistaken about the stain? Their legitimacy as a business (and your repeat business) depends on it being there.

Main issue here is the tears on the back, not sure how much that brings this down. It's too bad because the front cover is really nice by contrast (the colours are much fresher than they appear in this scan).

Here's my Captain Marvel Jr 22. Currently 8 copies in the registry.

But it's the only 9.8 in the UNIVERSE!

Right right, I was only thinking of Superhero comics. And the estimated copies per issue were upwards of 2 million. Makes sense, comics predate television for a scheduled medium of entertainment for kids. Anyways, now that I think of it, Captain Marvel Adventures had probably more copies per issue than anything we mentionned since Fawcett would brand it with the notion of "largest circulation of any comic magazine" (check the top right corner).

The seller most probably didn't notice anything either. Please post a pic of the slab when you get it back.

Those tend to sell for a lot less. Here is an example with Amazing Spider-man 13 (picked at random). A 6.0 in 2016 would go for $417 and it's a key book, so a slabbed book of that would have no problem fetching that price. But it sold for $155, only 37% of it's guide price. https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-amazing-spider-man-13-marvel-1964-cgc-qualified-fn-60-white-pages/a/121715-12182.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 So that's what the person means by Green Slab of Death. If it's not because of a signature, then that green slab indicates that there is something really wrong with your book and it becomes near worthless by comparison. So, extrapolating that, a Fantastic Four 52 with a green label, which would fetch around 350 if it were blue, will instead be more in the ballpark of $100 (assuming it comes back as a 3.5 green label).

Thanks! If I were to get this pressed, it would fix the spine roll and creases, making the staple tears the biggest defect. Would the grade increase at all or do staple tears reduce it to these same grades regardless?

On my end, I can only talk about golden age, which I look at closely. And It does depends. I was only referring to Qualified books where they are qualified due to a defect detracting from an otherwise nice grade, which is the issue the original post was about. They usually sell for less. But yeah, there are cases where the green is used just for an unverified signature and those are the same, if not more like in the case of some Michael Turner signatures I saw.

But they don't sell for the same price as a blue holder of the same grade right? I think that's what the person meant by their comments.

That will do it. It's something I had an argument here on the boards with someone saying that the severity of the defect plays a part. It does, but only in making the grade lower, not higher. A small defect (like in this case) is still a defect and CGC will deduct accordingly. It sucks but that's how CGC goes. And I do see the stain. it's the darker patch next to Steve Austin's face at the right. It's a bit camouflaged by the inkwash effect on the yellow cover, but you don't see that type of shade anywhere else on the comic. Oh man, that means the case itself is worth more than the comic, that sucks hard.

With Moon Knight, it's speculation. We are seeing the same thing with Shang Chi. Since previous books went up in demand for people to resell due to movies in the recent past (both FF 52 and Aquaman 29 come to mind), the fact that there is buzz surrounding him means people want to get that book in case it goes up. And since everyone wants it at the same time, the price goes up. But I don't think that has to do with them liking the character more now than they did before. It's just speculation on their behalf. Things can quiet down later as it did for Daredevil 168, Preacher 1 and Marvel Premier 15. TO answer the original question in this thread, ASM 129 was always key, it's the first appearance of a popular Marvel hero. Plus, the spider-man title is the most collected title in terms of people completing the whole run, so you get a demand on two fronts.

Only 3 of these in the registry

Also wondering how much the grade would improve with a press. Not sure if it's worthwhile.

It's pretty crazy to me how the best selling book of all time (supposedly when looking at copies sold per issue) is Captain Marvel Jr and yet he has never had his own title since the Golden Age.

These two are absolutely gorgeous!

It does

Collecting midgrade GA can be cheaper these days than collecting midgrade early silver age Marvel books. Depends on the books of course.

But he's been around for 75 years, so which of those 30 years did he ruin?