William-James88

WOW Comics 49 7 in census

That's why this thread is fun as is. Will be posting some more books later.

I would be hard pressed to think of why a flipper would go to a convention for premium books. Maybe scour the dollar bins for overlooked keys. Anyways, I agree with you Buttock (ha!). I actually much preffer buying books at conventions. Granted, being a golden age collector, there is basically just Harley at the oes I go to, but he prices things fairly and the fact that he doesn't bother converting the currency for non keys in Canada is an automatic 30% discount for me, so that is most kind of him. Speaking of him, he too expressed the issue of having a void not filled by new collectors. Not for keys, those are always in demand, but for the other books, like the Fawcett stuff I collect, which means prices haven't gone up in 15 years (and he's one of the contributors to the price guide). In return, I am in the camp where my want list is really small. There are just a few GA Detectives I want along with a few Fawcett books and I have never seen them in a show. Nothing expensive, just not stuff I ever see.

Is it fair to assume that the pressing played into those 33 getting 1 grade higher or more? Also thanks for the assessment. That 20% mistake rate your example shows us is not great.

No problem, man, all the best!

1. Yes, meet halfway. It's a decent rule of thumb. 2. Also yes, those not in the guide for less than 9.2 usually end up in dollar bins at comic book stores and the like.

It is a huge difference because detached staples are one of those big defects that have certain grades attributed to them depending on what is the cause of it not being attached, when selling a book raw. Here is the actual grading guide, I bolded the bit about where a detached staple is acceptable (4.0). Of course, now that we know the centrefold is secure, then you don't have to worry about that anymore, so that's good. Just wanted to explain where the discrepancy was coming from. You'll also see which grade allows for minor soiling/ staining. A press/clean is a good idea, it could solidify you getting a 7.0 and maybe even give you a 7.5. Good luck and all the best! 10.0 GEM MINT (GM): Back to TopAn exceptional example of a given book - the best ever seen. Only the slightest bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity. Corners are cut square and sharp. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. No interior autographs or owner signatures. 9.9 MINT (MT): Back to Top Near perfect in every way. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and minimal fading. Corners are cut square and sharp. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. 9.8 NEAR MINT/MINT (NM/MT): Back to Top Nearly perfect in every way with only minor imperfections that keep it from the next higher grade. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and minimal fading. Corners are cut square and sharp. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. 9.6 NEAR MINT+ (NM+): Back to Top Nearly perfect with a minor additional virtue or virtues that raise it from Near Mint. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. No bindery tears are allowed, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/8" have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. One corner may be almost imperceptibly blunted, but still almost sharp and cut square. Almost imperceptible indentations are permissible, but no creases, bends, or color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered, with only the slightest discoloration. Paper is off-white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. 9.4 NEAR MINT (NM): Back to Top Nearly perfect with only minor imperfections that keep it from the next higher grade. Subtle bindery/printing defects are allowed. Bindery tears must be less than 1/16" on Silver Age and later books, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/4" have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted. A 1/16" bend is permitted with no color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Slight foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples are generally centered; may have slight discoloration. Almost no stress lines. Paper is off-white to cream, supple and fresh. Slight interior tears are allowed. 9.2 NEAR MINT- (NM-): Back to Top Nearly perfect with only a minor additional defect or defects that keep it from Near Mint. A limited number of minor bindery/printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with only the slightest dimming of reflectivity. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted. A 1/16-1/8" bend is permitted with no color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Slight foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples may show some discoloration. Almost no stress lines. Paper is off-white to cream, supple and fresh. Slight interior tears are allowed. 9.0 VERY FINE/NEAR MINT (VF/NM): Back to Top Nearly perfect with outstanding eye appeal. A limited number of bindery/printing defects are allowed. Cover is almost flat with almost imperceptible wear. Inks are bright with slightly diminished reflectivity. An 1/8" bend is allowed if color is not broken. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted but no creases. Several lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable. Very minor foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples may show some discoloration. Only the slightest staple tears are allowed. A very minor accumulation of stress lines may be present if they are nearly imperceptible. Paper is off-white to cream and supple. Very minor interior tears may be present. 8.5 VERY FINE+ (VF+): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Very Fine but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 8.0 VERY FINE (VF): Back to Top An excellent copy with outstanding eye appeal. A limited accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Cover is relatively flat with minimal surface wear beginning to show, possibly including some minute wear at corners. Inks are generally bright with moderate to high reflectivity. An unnoticeable 1/4" crease is acceptable if color is not broken. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. Minor foxing. Spine is almost completely flat with a possible minor color break. Staples may show some discoloration. Very slight staple tears and a few almost insignificant stress lines may be present. Paper is cream to tan and supple. Centerfold is mostly secure. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. 7.5 VERY FINE- (VF-): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Very Fine but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 7.0 FINE/VERY FINE (FN/VF): Back to Top An above-average copy that shows minor wear but is still relatively flat and clean with outstanding eye appeal. A small accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor cover wear beginning to show, possibly including minor creases. Corners may be blunted. Inks are generally bright with a moderate reduction in reflectivity. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. Minor foxing. The slightest spine roll may be present, as well as a possible moderate color break. Staples may show some discoloration. Slight staple tears and a small accumulation of light stress lines may be present. Slight rust migration. Paper is cream to tan. Centerfold is mostly secure. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. 6.5 FINE+ (FN+): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Fine but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 6.0 FINE (FN): Back to Top An above-average copy that shows minor wear but is still relatively flat and clean with no significant creasing or other serious defects. Some accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor cover wear apparent, with minor to moderate creases. Inks show a significant reduction in reflectivity. Blunted corners are more common, as is minor staining, soiling, discoloration, and/or foxing. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. A minor spine roll is allowed. There can also be a 1/4" spine split or severe color break. Staples may show minor discoloration. Minor staple tears and a few slight stress lines may be present, as well as minor rust migration. Paper is tan to brown and fairly supple with no signs of brittleness. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. Centerfold may be loose. 5.5 FINE- (FN-): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Fine but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 5.0 VERY GOOD/FINE (VG/FN): Back to Top An above-average but well used comic book. An accumulation of bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor to moderate cover wear apparent, with minor to moderate creases and/or dimples. Inks have moderate to low reflectivity. Blunted corners are increasingly common, as is minor to moderate staining, discoloration, and/or foxing. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. A minor to moderate spine roll is allowed. A spine split of up to 1/2" may be present. Staples may show minor discoloration. Minor staple tears and minor stress lines may also be present, as well as minor rust migration. Paper is tan to brown with no signs of brittleness. Centerfold may be loose. Minor interior tears may also be present. 4.5 VERY GOOD+ (VG): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Very Good but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 4.0 VERY GOOD (VG): Back to Top The average used comic book. Cover shows moderate to significant wear, and may be loose but not completely detached. Cover reflectivity is low. Can have moderate creases or dimples. Corners may be blunted. Store stamps, name stamps, arrival dates, initials, etc. have no effect on this grade. Some discoloration, fading, foxing, and even minor soiling is allowed. As much as a 1/4" triangle can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8" square is also acceptable. Only minor unobtrusive tape and other amateur repair allowed on otherwise high grade copies. Moderate spine roll may be present and/or a 1" spine split. Staples may be discolored. Minor to moderate staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as some rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Minor to moderate interior tears may be present. Centerfold may be loose or detached at one staple. 3.5 VERY GOOD- (VG-): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Very Good but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 3.0 GOOD/VERY GOOD (GD/VG): Back to Top A used comic book showing some substantial wear. Cover shows significant wear, and may be loose or even detached at one staple. Cover reflectivity is very low. Can have a book-length crease and/or dimples. Corners may be blunted or even rounded. Discoloration, fading, foxing, and even minor to moderate soiling is allowed. A triangle from 1/4" to 1/2" can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8" to 1/4" square is also acceptable. Tape and other amateur repair may be present. Moderate spine roll likely. May have a spine split of anywhere from 1" to 1-1/2". Staples may be rusted or replaced. Minor to moderate staple tears and moderate stress lines may be present, as well as some rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Centerfold may be loose or detached at one staple. Minor to moderate interior tears may be present. 2.5 GOOD+ (GD+): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Good but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 2.0 GOOD (GD): Back to Top Shows substantial wear; often considered a "reading copy." Cover shows significant wear and may even be detached. Cover reflectivity is low and in some cases completely absent. Book-length creases and dimples may be present. Rounded corners are more common. Moderate soiling, staining, discoloration and foxing may be present. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually a 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square, although some Silver Age books such as 1960s Marvels have had the price corner box clipped from the top left front cover and may be considered Good if they would otherwise have graded higher. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are common in Silver Age and older books. Spine roll is likely. May have up to a 2" spine split. Staples may be degraded, replaced or missing. Moderate staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Centerfold may be loose or detached. Moderate interior tears may be present. 1.8 GOOD- (GD-): Back to Top Fits the criteria for Good but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book's appearance by a perceptible amount. 1.5 FAIR/GOOD (FR/GD): Back to Top Shows substantial to heavy wear. Books in this grade are commonly creased, scuffed, abraded, soiled, and possibly unattractive, but still generally readable. Cover shows considerable wear and may be detached. Almost no cover reflectivity remaining. Book-length creases, tears and folds may be present. Rounded corners are increasingly common. Soiling, staining, discoloration and foxing is generally present. Up to 1/10 of the back cover may be missing. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are increasingly common in Silver Age and older books. Spine roll is common. May have a spine split between 2" and 2/3 the length of the book. Staples may be degraded, replaced or missing. Staple tears and stress lines are common, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown and may show brittleness around the edges. Acidic odor may be present. Centerfold may be loose or detached. Interior tears are common. 1.0 FAIR (FR): Back to Top Shows heavy wear. Some collectors consider this the lowest collectible grade because comic books in lesser condition are usually incomplete and/or brittle. Cover may be detached, and inks have lost all reflectivity. Creases, tears and/or folds are prevalent. Corners are commonly rounded or absent. Soiling and staining is present. Books in this condition generally have all pages and most of the covers, although there may be up to 1/4 of the front cover missing or no back cover, but not both. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are more common. Spine roll is more common; spine split can extend up to 2/3 the length of the book. Staples may be missing or show rust and discoloration. An accumulation of staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown and may show brittleness around the edges but not in the central portion of the pages. Acidic odor may be present. Accumulation of interior tears. Chunks may be missing. The centerfold may be missing if readability is generally preserved. Coupons may be cut. 0.5 POOR (PR): Back to Top Sufficiently degraded to the point where there is little or no collector value; easily identified by a complete absence of eye appeal. Brittle almost to the point of turning to dust with a touch, and usually incomplete. Extreme fading may render the cover almost indiscernible. May have extremely severe stains, mildew or heavy cover abrasion to the point that some cover inks are indistinct/absent. Covers may be detached with large chunks missing. Can have extremely ragged edges and extensive creasing. Corners are rounded or virtually absent. Covers may have been defaced with paints, varnishes, glues, oil, indelible markers or dyes, and may have suffered heavy water damage. Can also have extensive amateur repairs such as laminated covers. Extreme spine roll present; can have extremely ragged spines or a complete, book-length split. Staples can be missing or show extreme rust and discoloration. Extensive staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as extreme rust migration. Paper exhibits moderate to severe brittleness (where the comic book literally falls apart when examined). Extreme acidic odor may be present. Extensive interior tears. Multiple pages, including the centerfold, may be missing that affect readability. Coupons may be cut.

As someone who scanned the books that went up on e-bay at my store, I can get it. I never had to think of doing that since what I sold was raw books, but I can see someone thinking there's nothing wrong with it. Especially when scanning does take time and you'd have to do multiple listings for the same comic and increase the chances of a mistake if the comic you post doesnt correspond to the number in the description. Instead you could show the pic and say how many you have of that comic in 9.8. So someone can buy many at once. In the end, while a bit lazy, I don't see how this changes much if the grade/comic/pages are the same. You can't really open a case against it since you got what the description said. Though the ideal thing if someone used a stock image is to disclose as such in the description.

Exactly, pressing it wouldn't change anything of that, so don't waste your money there.

4.0 if centrefold is detached at one staple due to wear and tear. 6.5 if its a factory defect.

Dont forget the brand new extra tax they impose on payments made with credit card or PayPal.

That is excellent news for you, very happy about that. And you know what, I do recomend you send this in for pressing since there is no colour break. For a book like this, it's worth the press in case of a grade bump. By that I mean, the extra worth of a grade bump outweighs the price of a press so much that it's worth the gamble, at least to me.

That's actually one of the less hard questions since there are definite defects that pressing helps with and they are: Bends that do not break color are ideal for removal with pressing. In most cases the bends can be greatly improved, if not eliminated completely. Writing indents are caused by writing on a piece of paper that was laid on top of the comic. In most cases, these indents can be greatly improved, if not eliminated completely. Overhang bends. Common on many Silver and Bronze Age comics, the bend comes from the cover paper being slightly larger than the interior pages. In most cases, these bends can be greatly improved, if not eliminated completely. Rippling is usually caused by moisture, either during production of the comic, improper storage, or even high levels of humidity where the comic was stored. In most cases these ripples can be greatly improved, if not eliminated completely. Often there will be light humidity stains present with rippling, which cannot be removed with pressing. Spine roll is the misalignment, or shifting, of the spine to either the front or back of the comic. Spine roll repair is an invasive process and is not performed on a comic that has a fragile spine. In most cases, spine roll can be greatly improved, if not eliminated completely. And here is what you can't improve upon: Colour break, tears, staining from liquids.

Those are rough to press away but not impossible. But I did notice something else worse than this, the book has a lengthwide subscritpion crease. it is most apparent on robin's costume. Not sure if that lighter coloured line is a colour break or not. If it is, that would bring the book down to anything between a 4.0-6.0 depending on what CGC thinks (in overstreet guide, lenthwise subscription ceases are allowed only in the 4.0 range).

I did not say you couldn't. I ask you, please, do not put words in my mouth. Were it my way, I'd rather previous members didn't start with this whole "true comic book collector" which sounds beyond elitist. We are all here on these boards talking to eachother, how are we anything but true comic book collectors.

For this one I don't think so. The two busted corners and staple pull is what brings down the grade the most and a press wouldn't fix them so the grade would stay the same.

Awesome book, but can you please tell me what is going on with that gash starting at aqualad's head and heading towards the edge of the book? Is it a fold, a tear or a scratch?

That's a good point. Apeg, would you say your books have worsened in the past 50 years from when they were first read and put away?

Big time! And thanks for your responses guys. I assessed similarly given the pic. That defect/damage at the top left is severe enough to me that 6.0 is the most it would ever get. The seller has it as a 6.5 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/the-marvel-family-43-fawcett-publications-1950-condition-fn-/p/122006-60015.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Preview-SearchResults-120115&lotPosition=146|0 Not a huge difference, but in this case (with very evident flaws), it feels a bit opportunistic. Like "what's the most this might get on a good day". The fact that we don't get a pic of the back leaves a lot to be desired from the listing.

Some have (you can see that in the current McFarlane event thread) but not all do.

they regrade your book. It could be that during the handling, the grade worsens. So, how did it turn out for you now that people are getting them back?

7.0

You can always pay for the grader notes.

3.5, but only due to the water damage.

I don't like those marks on the back, looks like some kind of staining. Could go down to a 6.0