William-James88

Thank you, I had missed the distinction.

You're right, defamation does not require intent. That was a big discussion point in the many recent Dominion defamation cases.

I remember that as well. Tring to remember if the video I saw was from Gem Mint or not. Been a while.

They already have a high quality scan of the ungraded book which links back to the cert number so what you are asking for is already in place. It does make things safer for the future. The issue is with all graded books before this was recently put in place.

That's fine. And no, I didn't watch the videos. I was just reading the forums and they were nearing what seemed like Black and White rules for what should be posted, but I misread that.

I'd at least put the asterisk of "undoing CGC holders in a way to scam". Because videos of undoing CGC holders in general have been beneficial to me since I wanted to remove comics from their slabs (for space, signatures, CPR) without causing damage to the book or myself.

Here are 2 books I own which I could send back to CGC for mechanical error. The Detective 400 has CK Elite Edition erroneously written on the top and the B&B 200 does not mention that it's the Canadian Price Variant. For now, both are part of my personal collection, however I could one day sell them. And for that bit, I want to know if those two errors would in any way matter to potential buyers. At the same time, if I were to send these in, would a buyer be hesitant of 9.8 reholders now that there is a scandal. AND would CGC pay closer attention to this mechanical error request, now that there is a scandal, and thus potentially regrade my comic. I'm playing a 4-D chess game of stupid anxiety in my head over this and was wondering your opinions. FYI, for the Brave and the Bold, having it correct would boost it in the census from 1 out of 293 to 1 out of 5 https://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_standard.asp?title=Brave+and+the+Bold&publisher=D.C.+Comics&issue=200&year=1983&issuedate=7%2F83

Oh man, CGC issues TONS of wrong labels. Here are two slabs I have on me just as an example, and I'm about to write a topic asking the community for advice. This Detective 400 has CK Elite Edition erroneously written on the top and the B&B 200 does not mention that it's the Canadian Price Variant.

Yes, you are 100% correct on this.

Oh, 100% Sorry if I wasn't clear (I do see how I was not), I was only relating to how the punishment didn't reassure me as a customer. But yes, of course, every angle should be investigated and no culprit should get off easy.

This part makes 0 sense to me in terms of causality. CGC is not the victim, only the people who trusted CGC are the victims. CGC is an unknowing accomplice because the only reason this discussion is even happening is because CGC released a book into the wild where the holder was not indicating the proper content (this ASM 252). As a customer, knowing that CGC prosecuted this person to the full extent of the law does not in any way make them more credible to me. I don't see how it would make anyone feel better, all it does is remove blame on their part. I don't care if the nefarious behavior is accepted or not, I care far more about the nefarious behavior being possible or not. There will always be bad actors and scammers, prevention is the key, punishment does nothing to make me feel better about anything. All punishment does is tell the bad actors to smarten up about how they undergo their nefarious activities so that they don't get caught. EDIT: Of course, I don't think any culprit should get off the hook, this is not an either or. I am simply referring to what solutions would make me personally feel better about continuing my business with CGC.

yes, notes are not a given and aren't complete even when you get them. It's not a standardized CGC feature or something one can expect.

There is no way to remove this/reverse this at the moment

It's called "bleed" and doesn't affect the grade, refer to above if you want a lot more on the subject.

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I didn't even know Postcards were a collectible market.

As someone who had an emotional connection to my stamp collection, I find that rather dismissive. It just so happens that the comics you bought kept having demand greater than supply throughout the years and you are using that causality to mean something else. The same can't be said for collectors who had an emotional connection to Miller's Daredevil or Byrne's X-men, which were at a time selling for more than they do now when taking inflation into account. Also, tons of kids have had emotional connections to their sports cards over the years and yet that didn't stop a crash in that market. I remember being very attached to my pokemon cards and my hockey cards in the 90s, all purchased at the same time. Had I kept my pokemon cards in great condition, they'd be worth a nice sum today while my hockey cards are not worth the paper they are printed on. It's a boring answer but in the end it's all about supply and demand. Some of the demand may be based on an emotional connection but if there is another source for sustained demand (like perceived value, which we see with precious metals) then that's what will stop comics from collapsing. If all generations to come keep thinking/believing that Spidey 194 and 300 will keep going up in value, making the demand greater than the supply, then that book won't collapse, even though there may be no emotional connection to it.

Yes, that is exactly how it would go. It being a collectible market that succumbs to trends, I don't see anything a law office thats big enough to take on Blackstone would find worthwhile/interesting. The reason why the "damages" are minimal is because the comic industry has a universal grading standard (overstreet) which can still be used to assess value in a market. And thus your CGC'd comic doesn't inherently lose value since you could still sell it on it's own merrit if faith in CGC proves to quantifiably plummet (sell the book, not the slab).

Either people get together and visit a law office about this or a law firm gets wind of this and seeks to add plaintifs. But either way, the damages aren't high enough or obvious enough for this to be a worthwhile endeavor.

CGC is already offering compensation for the confirmed books. I don't see any worthwhile case for a class action lawsuit against them.

I read the inclusion of "Healthcare providers" in the post you quoted as insurance companies too since people are getting their Healthcare through them.

Your buying a slabbed comic, no more no less. Not all 9.8s are created equal, and if you find an issue that makes it not as nice as others, then so will others when it comes time to sell, so keep that in mind.

So you not a fan of Spidey 300 as a venom first appearance key? To be frank, I find 299 to be more important/key than 300. If both won't have venom on the cover, might as well own his first full appearance with 299.

I'm in