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Second vote for How to Draw a Bunny and Herb & Dorothy You should watch Marwencol. Try not to read anything about it, as much is given up in the description. All you need to know is that a guy with amnesia is building dioramas of WWII soldier action scenes using action figures, and photographing them. It's a documentary and the slow answering of all the "why"s is amazing.

Looks like they pulled the dubious Barks. Do we know why the McCay panel also got pulled?

Whoops. Apologies, I've blown my budget on a biscuit from the Titanic. Carry on. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/26/titanic-cracker-sells-for-23-000.html

You can all stop tracking and bidding -- I'm buying everything.

This was on eBay once before, I guess more than a decade ago. IIRC, the seller had several vintage Marvel covers that were all- or 90%-stat. This one attracted more interested and bidding than the rest, but it didn't sell that high. I want to say $2-3K, but I certainly didn't write the price down. Anyone else recall this?

Now THAT's a deep and churning sea. Add the names Leialoha and Weiss to that, btw.

This is fantastic detective work -- thank you for answering the question I posted 22 pages ago. I had no idea what an adventure it would be, but it's what I love about the hobby when it works -- better-informed collectors are a good thing.

To the OP: Kane rarely drew anything, particularly commissions like this. There are a few that people did indeed watch him draw, and they were usually pretty simple marker head shots. But you should treat all Kane stuff like it's an authorized knockoff. He was Kostabi years before there was a Kostabi.

Thank you, internet. Irene Vartanoff just confirmed that Marvel never used acetates in the silver age. These things are all fakes. However: someone wiser than I looked at the bidding histories of one of these ridiculous auctions and suggests that the bidding might be as bogus as the items in question. Glen

I think this might be the most ridiculous rip off I've seen in this venue. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Kirby-Fantastic-Four-2-Rare-Production-Art-Pg-21-/271486588061 What did he think he was getting? A stat used to make FF 2? I'm fairly sure he just paid $900 for nothing. For people wondering how to tell if a transparency is "real" or not -- that question is the wrong one to be asking. Unless someone more familiar with 1960s printing processes can tell me otherwise, I don't think there were transparencies in the silver age. There were stats and silver prints and color guides and color separations, but this flood of transparencies only started with the reprint books and trade pb collections, as far as I can tell. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Glen

I was wracking (racking?) my brain for comparable bronze age pieces that would attract this much interest. Has the ASM 129 cover ever shown up?

About those Kirby FF pages Yeah, as I guy who thinks he follows Kirby FF pages relatively well (I'm not in the loop as much as I think I am, clearly), I don't know about those pages going 40K plus with any regularity. You can almost, almost make an argument that there's huge deviation in the twice up market by inker. Sinnott inks> Ayers > Stone> Giacoia> Colletta> Bell, with Sinnott commanding 30-50K and Bell 8-10K for an A page -- but then if great pages from #26 showed up, they'd obviously go much higher. So inker plus content. HA's website shows that one page from FF 57 went for 53K and one from 58 went for 50K. A page from 55 went for 44K. Everything else is below that line. It's hard to say whether those represent the market or not, as they're from one particular set of issues (55, 57-60) that represent a high water mark and some people might consider them A+. Particularly if any of those people are, oh, trying to put any of those particular books back together again. If a few pages from FF 53, 56 and 61, 62 and 63 went around 40K, I'd make a strong argument for "Kirby/Sinnott twice up pages go for 40K," but that's not what we're seeing. 20-30K? That's more in my experience.

BTW, I wasn't expecting to enjoy this thread as much as I am. It's really interesting.

I think the last twice up Thor interiors were #146. The last twice up cover was...152? I think?

In any case, my original question was whether Frank Miller had done the 190 splash as the auction currently indicates. It seems like this is what happened: starting with issue #185 (or #179, but #185 for sure), Miller drew thumbnails. Janson then penciled and inked the finished page on a separate piece of paper. We can debate how to credit it or whether that means the page's value changes, but just for information's sake, it would be helpful to have that knowledge at hand. Does that summary sound about right?

Googling "Janson Miller Daredevil thumbnails" gave me this. Here's Janson in 2012: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/23/frantic-as-a-cardiograph-scratching-out-the-lines-day-54-daredevil-172/#comment-885952 The money quote: "Just to set the record straight, though, Frank went to 8 and a half inch by 11 inch breakdowns on issue #179, not #185. And he was doing breakdowns on the boards for a handful of issues before that." So it sounds like Frank did layouts on the same boards for a while, then starting with #179 (or #185?) he did them on separate, smaller sheets of paper.

Fill me in, Suspense. It would be good to have the facts in one place.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can refresh my memory -- as I recall, at some point, Miller started doing thumbnails for Daredevil, and Janson did pencils and inks on a separate piece of paper. As I recall, on later pages that Frank did pencil, he put some kind of mark on them, like his initials or something. Did Frank touch this page? Or did he do a separate thumbnail that Janson then drew? http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2Fauctions%2Fpreview.asp%3Fcode%3D2013may%26itemtype%3D1%26Artist%3DFRANK%2520MILLER%23Item_965549&id=965549 It's incredibly cool -- just curious how the composition occurred. Thanks! Glen Gold

You got your FF 98 page from Bob Latimer. I remember the ad. It ran in two different CBGs, because the first time the prices were too high -- $700 or so (!).

When I was a kid living in New York I got the Supersnipe art catalog #3. It was one of those things that made me excited about collecting. I always wondered what #2 and #1 looked like. I've had that saved as a search on eBay for years and years and I've only found the #3 catalog, repeatedly. Are there Supersnipe #1 and #2 catalogs? G

I just saw the Cone Sisters show in Vancouver. I was more intrigued by their Picassos than their Matisses, in part because of something the show itself emphasized - how the sisters, with their backgrounds in fabric, seem to have made Matisse aware of design. The result is that the paintings as displayed had less emotional currency and were more about, well, design -- at least to my eye. I liked his black and white stuff better. And I do love those sisters. Also: Herb and Dorothy Vogel. They managed a pretty decent collection. But I suppose that was 50 years ago now, right?

My new year's resolution: give Dan a raft to cling to.

So, just for keeping them all in one place: Kirby Wall by ledocq, on Flickr No, you don't want to know what's on the fourth wall.

Ah, perfect. Let's see if this slightly blurry one works: Herriman Wall by ledocq, on Flickr

Thanks -- I wish it would imbed in my post. I opened a flickr account and followed the FAQ instructions for getting it to open up. Am I doing something wrong? Does Flickr not work here?