JTLarsen

25 minutes ago, JTLarsen said:

black lightning, and black goliath are old mantles from a better time. People weren't so sensitive back then

3 minutes ago, maidenmate91 said:

Dude relax.... way too serious, I'm not going to turn this into a political debate. It's a comic forum, at ease soldier. No one is a snowflake, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

You already turned it into a political debate. You literally said things were better when black people weren't complaining about how they're represented in pop culture. I appreciate that you're trying to de-escalate now, but please don't do so by suggesting it wasn't already political. Art is political. Culture is political. Dismissing the concerns of disenfranchised people as being "PC" or "too sensitive" is political. I'm not trying to start a fight, just trying to make the point you ultimately landed on--everyone's entitled to their opinion, so let's try to respect the opinions of those who raise concerns about how they and others are portrayed. Better yet, let's try to hear them out rather than dismiss them.

Now...back to comics! I feel a Chris Claremont segue coming on...

27 minutes ago, maidenmate91 said:

Oh no worries, it wouldn't bother me. I'm just saying it's not very PC you know... certain crowds might go beserk After all black lightning, and black goliath are old mantles from a better time. People weren't so sensitive back then. Perhaps a specific spider name could be used? 

In what way was it a better time? Maybe the "people" who weren't so sensitive back then were a little more preoccupied with how much things were worse for them back then, like income inequality, lending discrimination, disparity in life-spans, job discrimination, and little things like that. Maybe, just maybe, the people who you have decided are too sensitive--because they don't want their heroes to be LITERALLY defined by their skin color--are actually able to give this kind of thing a LITTLE bit of attention today because things are actually marginally better today. (And, btw, there were people who called out the names of Black Lightning and Black Goliath then, too. But maybe you think things were better then because those people lacked access to the kinds of platforms where they could be heard).

The irony here is that the people on this thread who seem the most sensitive, and the closest to going berserk, are those whose biggest problem seems to be that their comic book characters aren't being done the way they want. Ultimate Snowflake.

3 hours ago, bellrules said:

Scooby Doo 1 (gold key) is now 2000 in 9.2 

I think it was 1500 last year. 25% jump seems pretty big

33% ackshully, so, yeah.

Was really great to follow your experience at the con. Thanks for sharing.

Just so I'm clear, people are bragging about the expensive watches they own? Grown-up people, I mean?

Not sure if we're counting U.K. comics, but pricewise the L. Miller Captain Marvels and Marvelmans are definitely under the radar.

Where's 410? Shouldn't it have the same value as other non-key Adams interiors?

1 hour ago, tricolorbrian said:

I don't understand it either, but for some reason the legion was very hot in the 80s.

Levitz. Giffen. Darkseid. Epic.

Is there a definitive list of these? I'm confused, for instance, about Injustice. Someone said it was retitled Injustice: Harley Quinn...but there's a separate one just called Injustice, too. Little help?

2 hours ago, Dogsupreme said:

I dunno really. It is the perception I suppose. Technically you would be right. BB #60 is first mention of TEEN TITANS on cover. Same goes for Marvel Feature 1 as first DEFENDERS. But the market is different. As collectors we can accept or reject things based on our on bias and the market. I choose to accept BB #54 as 1st TEEN TITANS and will vote with my dollars as opposed to BB #60 which I want but am unwilling to spend the same amount. I may be wrong but it really does not matter until I decide to re-sell it. You decide for yourself.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying BB60 is undervalued because it's the first appearance of the Teen Titans. I'm saying it's undervalued because (a) 1st Wonder Girl, and (b) enough people MIGHT some day discover that the current "first appearance" of the Teen Titans doesn't have any appearance of a team called "Teen Titans," in which case, BB60 today might look very undervalued indeed.

On 6/2/2017 at 0:39 PM, AGGIEZ said:

Yeh, if people are going to sell Jimmy Olsen #134 as the "1st Darkseid", Tales to Astonish #27 as the "1st Ant-man", etc...then I'm not too worried about that.

I'll have to read through that B&B54 thread debate again. I just don't' get the case for B&B60 outside of "1st Wonder Girl, joins Teen Titans".

Yeah, the case for 60 is all in 54--no formation of a team, no mention of the phrase "Teen Titans." But if we're talking undervalued silver, I'd say 1st Wonder Girl is already a pretty good bet even if you DON'T factor in the fact that it's the first time we see a group called the Teen Titans!

On 5/31/2017 at 0:50 AM, Lazyboy said:

Yeah, that's what I thought for decades before I actually was able to read the books.

Anyway, we already have a thread for that debate. If you wish to resurrect it, be my guest.

Yeah, if you want to sell someone B&B 54, I'd be very careful about saying "1st Teen Titans"...!

11 hours ago, oakman29 said:

I know this is a U.K. book, but Warrior #1 with the 1st V for Vendetta, 1st Miracle Man.

Gotta be a sleeper, right?

Amen. Although there have been some stirrings on this one in recent years. People are starting to get hip to it.

39 minutes ago, Jayman said:

And just to think, as much as I love Swamp Thing, he probably would have drifted down to the lower tier characters if not for this issue...

 

Absolutely agree. The Alan Moore run is underrated as a factor for HOS  #92's current value, as well as, of course, his current popularity, his wide usage throughout the DC universe, etc. It's a massive, seminal moment in comics history.

17 hours ago, Bronx said:

Swamp Thing is an interesting character but he's no money maker.  It's all about Berni's great art and a classic scary cover.  Few covers come close to the look you feel after watching it.  How can you define a 1950's style piece art that makes you feel like you're watching a Horror flick from the safety of a drive in theatre.    

Actually, he is a money maker. Y'know that book we're talking about? Money. Berni had lots of great art and equally/more scary/classic covers. None of them touches this issue, price-wise. Why? It turns out this is the first appearance of Swamp Thing, one of the most enduring and recognizable DC creations of the decade...two movies, TV appearances...and two classic, seminal runs in the comics. People will be buying and reading Swamp Thing by Wein/Wrightson and by Alan Moore long after we're dead. And looking for his first appearance.

Second Hawkman #4. I'd also add Doom Patrol #99--first Beast Boy (Changeling).

By no means a sure thing, but a good bet with lots of potential upside is Brave and Bold 60. Not only is it the first Wonder Girl, it's also the first actual Teen Titans (as we've discussed ad nauseam elsewhere, the group doesn't form or get a name in Brave and Bold 54). I recommend it because of what happened with OAW 83. For decades, OAW 81 was considered Sgt. Rock's first appearance--then more and more people realized it was just a prototype. I see the same thing happening here. And even if that never happens, B&B 60 is still grossly undervalued JUST for being the first Wonder Girl!

9 hours ago, Bronx said:

This book has always been expensive and no one has ever been able to say 100% why.  

My gut says it's a great cover, a quirky character and a helluva artist.  That's all.  

It's the first appearance of Swamp Thing. It's undervalued.

9 hours ago, bcphillips119 said:

SHHHHH... don't tell everyone.  They are already hard to find in high grade!

Gee, an overlooked Neal Adams story with Man-Bat? And only his second Joker story? Can't imagine why they're hard to find!

On 4/24/2017 at 5:38 PM, bababooey said:

Where's the cool cover books that are worth money but aren't rare by design?  Maybe that Jock Tec 880 cover?    

Catwoman 51. Wonder Woman 184.

On 4/24/2017 at 3:59 PM, ygogolak said:

Huh? Cover art is one of the primary generators of Modern value.

Oh, and Neal Adams Batman books have gone through the roof the last two years.

As have other of his covers.

On 5/3/2017 at 11:41 PM, Readcomix said:

Yep. His art can be pretty to look at, but I often cannot tell what is going on. My eye is drawn nowhere. (Not that I can draw.) I just find his layouts disturbing. And for whatever reason thru six issues I Could not bring myself to care about any of the characters. Their personalities did not come alive for me; no connection. It's not relative to any other comic; just an absolute experience I had with this story. I realize others experience this work differently. 

You do know he's considered an innovator in terms of comic book layouts, right? Starting with Daredevil. And into, uh, Ronin.

23 hours ago, Readcomix said:

I'm underwhelmed ... Found it trite, with murky artwork and underdeveloped characters. By the "surprise" end I didn't care because none of them had been made complete enough for me to care. Lack of thought balloons hurts; it does not make comics more "adult" and "film-like." It abandons a part of the medium in a pale effort to imitate moving pictures.

So much for this "classic of the genre." 

Literally every criticism in here amounts to a matter of taste, unsupported by specific example. The artwork was by no means "murky." And in relation to what comic of the time were the characters underdeveloped?

On 4/25/2017 at 2:06 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

No. Ronin was Miller's first foray at DC. It came out 2 years before TDKR.

Miller had done work for DC beforehand. DC Special Series 21, IIRC.

12 hours ago, Brock said:

It's a shame... BWS: Storyteller is probably one of my favourite series of all time. IIRC, though, it basically launched into the market crash, and while I'm a fan of the treasury format, many weren't/aren't.

i've got to think, though, that if BWS launched a reasonably solid title through Image today, it could do alright.

Regardless, does the BWS Studio do other work, even outside of comics? I'm not aware of anything since the Opus books.

Storyteller was a may zing.