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Has anyone here talked to upper management in the past? 

I have , they do not like being wrong which is understandable as they oversee employees. 

Totally Understandable. 

Just now, Avi said:

CGC doesnt monitor every forum and thread. But they do look into things posted in the Ask CGC section. Maybe you should this on the Ask CGC forum so they can respond.

pretty sure someone told them about this thread.

8 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

You should also reflect on the thread and notice how no one seems to agree with you. That should tell you that maybe you need to do some of the things I suggested to get the community to turn on CGC with pitchforks.

 

Of course i know this would happen.  This IS A CGC forum.    But i want to give CGC a fair shot at explaining the strange events with this submission.  Like i said, this has not been posted on open non biased  forums yet.   I would love to support CGC, but it is hard to when things like this happens.  Everyone needs to remember, i sent 10 submissions to CGC and this was not the only problem.  All the other problems have be solved fairly ,not great, but fair.   Again, outside of this forum on youtube, my family post nice videos of CGC reveals.  All positive.     The ball is actually in CGC hands now.   I dont want favoritism , just consistency and fairness.   

these other problems have been solved fair.  I just lost time.

Just now, comicginger1789 said:

 

Only on Wednesdays

today is Thursday. add another day. bhaa

2 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Lol I would never hassle anyone except the clown. His wife and kids aren’t on here complaining

i guess you hassle yourself alot then. LOL

1 minute ago, comicginger1789 said:

No it wouldn’t. Again I’m gonna throw some things out here that you can confirm or deny or ignore like you tend to

1. You’ve studied card grading for more than five years (my guess is no)

2. You are younger than 30 (my guess is yes based off you entitledness attitude)

3. When you are wrong, you always try to lay blame elsewhere first before self reflecting (again seems to be a yes)

4. Internet lambasting and rage is your first avenue to deal with problems (again answer seems to be yes)

5. Your main motivations for these cards is sales and profit and since a batch has endangered that, you become upset (again seems a likely yes)

I have SGC with the stupid point system 98 gem mint that i graded personally when they started 20yrs ago.  POKEMON cards graded by SGC 98 etc..

that should answer everything.

1 minute ago, comicginger1789 said:

Here is your logic...

CGC saw I was upset that a batch of my cards were not graded as fast as others so their solution was to rush grading or revenge grade me because I complained. They deliberately monitored me on these forums and found my batch and hit me hard with inappropriate grades, which could likely result in driving away business from myself and other who believe and listen to what I say.
 

Yup. You are right. Sounds like what a company would do to help their business.

read the thread.  there is way more problems than just late grades.    Step back and look at this submission better.

3 minutes ago, Transplant said:

Please link your youtube videos.  I think that could convince a lot of people. 

Sure, if these clowns dont hassle my wife and kids.    Do you think these people on this forum are ethical enough that they can keep from hassling women and girls?    Let me know, i will post the channel.  ALL good for CGC.  Great promotion for CGC.

2 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Ok well 19 times out of 20 I can predict a comic book grade within a half point of what CGC gives it....

....by your logic, that one time when I am off by a grade point or more I should complain and assume they are trying to screw me?

oh oh oh I’m sorrrrrrryyyyy. You want bulk because bulk matters. Ok, let’s say I self grade 10000 comics and 9000 of them come back with grades within the 0.5 buffer I predicted. The rest were off. Now should I be yelling at CGC?

by your logic, you need to grade 1000 comics that majority grades between 9 -10 and batch them in to groups of 100.  and only 1 batch has nothing higher that a 9 but the other 9 have grades with asame ratio 9-10's.   That would be very hard to do by any grader in the world.    Remember, these cards are coming from the same owner, same storage, and screened by the same person.   Some how my eyes went strange for just this particular Late submissio with multiple problems?

highly unlikely.  

2 minutes ago, namisgr said:

It's a matter between you and the company.  Call them if you really want an explanation.  Why bring us into it?

dont think you read thru.  i understand you not understanding the whole story.

I been asking about this sub for months thru email and phone.   They sound so genuine , each time telling me the cards are "grading or slabbing" so i let is slide as just some mix up or honest mistake  .  Then when i finally post the problem publicly THIS WEEK here.  the submission from Oct 2020 magically gets graded in two days..  It should be a matter between CGC and me thru email for phone.  But at this point , the only way anything seems to get noticed and badly act upon is this forum.  Like i said,  my family post PRO CGC videos on Youtube and want to be a customer of CGC.  But if this type of inconsistency and problems arise.  what choice to i have but to take this to a OPEN public  forum next were unbias audience can read about this problem.  

4 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

I assume there are graders notes for cards...if so why haven’t you shared? If not then images OF THE CARDS AND NOT YOU BATCH COMPARISON are needed!

look at screen shots of submissions before and after .   I sent cards to CGC (screen shots) PSA and BGS the same weeks.   My eyes did not magically decide that a particular submission 2 (revenge)  change out of 20 submissions to 3 different grading companies.   Consistency is very important.  The results are posted.  Take a step back and ask yourself , what are the odds just 1 submission of 20+ to 3 companies would have nothing over 9?    This is not 1 card submissions to CGC.  these are bulk.  so data is in front your eyes.

i guess a few days later, my eyes for grades went back to normal like the other 9 submissions.

Let CGC come and have a say.   Right now i have not posted about this outside of this CGC forum.  My family posts pro CGC videos on Youtube.  so it is not like i hate CGC.   Right now , i want a honest explanation for why this submission was bouncing around at CGC for months and when i posted the problem here this week , it suddenly gets graded with grades totally not consistent with 9 other submission results.

Obviously , something was going on with this submission.

2 minutes ago, nickdrizzle said:

Somebody call the wambulance! I bet aliens intercepted and damaged the package on the way to cgc. All cards always come out of packs as 10s duh

Different submission same time frame. Something you will never understand.

The "revenge" submission.  another problem i had to let them know about many weeks ago.  

Can you spot something strange?

9 minutes ago, namisgr said:

I get that the average grade was a bit lower for your 10th batch than the prior 9.  You've got data showing that.  It's the 'revenge' claim that has no support from what I've read and comes across as a conspiracy theory from someone unhappy with a set of grades.

Consider the alternative possibility that CGC grading is not completely uniform over time, and with multiple graders one can sometimes get results that reflect subtle differences in grading approach or opinion.

Yes,  that is another factor.  inconsistency within the company.  New graders trying to make a statement. (happens within all grading companies)    But that is not the only problem with this particular submission.   This was a Oct 2020 submission that has not in my hands yet,   Missing, switching cards?  late, excuses, inconsistent and just a overall bad experience.   I will post more problems with this submission, it does not stop at just grades.

Note:  this was my 2nd submission of 10.  But this 2nd "revenge" submission was just finished grading this week.  The other 9 submission were on time and fair. and inhand  long ago

2 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Again, none of your posts answer any of my questions. And again, they highlight how you just seem upset that CGC may have graded harsher than other companies. You still sound and seem like an extreme amateur both in knowledge and behaviour regarding this whole thing. 

I assume you can read....I hope....when you share some grader notes or pictures of these supposedly "revenge" graded cards that should be perfect according to you, I will take interest. Until then, you keep on stewing. 

again, look at the subs.   It is all there.   

10 subs,.  9 subs consistent ratio.    Also some  PSA and BGS with consistent grading on more conditions sensitive and expensive cards.    Do all that first , then come back.  All i see is people that do not grade enough bulk with various top tier companies  in a short time frame so cannot see what happened and in denial.

6 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Also how long have you been "grading" cards? I am curious because if it is something you just recently picked up or started doing, my guess is this is your first taste of "hey maybe I am not as good at self grading cards as I thought" and that's okay. Happened to me with comics....took a solid 20 years of self grading to even feel 75% confident when I self grade a book. 

You mean the Same more difficult cards (holo) from the exact same set i sent to CGC?

These are the HOLO's from the same set.  Again, i use PSA, BGS and CGC for different strengths they each have.  These went to BGS for chances at black label.   again same week as the CGC 'Revenge" sub and PSA express above.   

13 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Also how long have you been "grading" cards? I am curious because if it is something you just recently picked up or started doing, my guess is this is your first taste of "hey maybe I am not as good at self grading cards as I thought" and that's okay. Happened to me with comics....took a solid 20 years of self grading to even feel 75% confident when I self grade a book. 

You mean my $1,000- $10,000+ pokemon cards?  They go to PSA.  This PSA sub was the same week of the "revenge" sub.

8 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Okay....like I said, post pics of these poorly graded cards. Share the notes. You are just posting a grade and saying they did a bad job in comparison to other batches you sent. Prove it beyond just posting the grade. Show me your cards you think are 9.0-9.5 that were graded 6.5-8.0 or whatever and then you have me interested in your supposed dilemma. Until then, you are just whining because you did not get what you wanted. 

i posted screen shots of subs the same week that were finished in time and fair.  This one "revenge" sub was a couple months late and only appeared this week when i posted on this forum.  They told me it was in the "grading / slab room" for months.    The data is all there.  look at the screen shots. then comeback .  It is all  here in this thread.

1 minute ago, comicginger1789 said:

Sounds like you are upset with some grades because they weren't as high as another company....so then use the other company exclusively and don't bother with CGC.

Also, you do know that condition, while important, is far from the only way cards are graded. Unlike with comics, which CGC tends to be forgiving with manufacturing defects, cards are not that way at all. Centering, strike, etc. all play a huge roll. So until you get some pics of these supposedly "badly" graded cards, it is just you yelling about nothing. 

WHAT?  10 submissions went to CGC.   the 'revenge" sub was way off the normal.  just look at the screen shots.  

Just now, Angel of Death said:

Actually, it isn't.

lets see you do it.   Get 500 cards from the same era,same sets, same owner in basically the same condition.  Now assort the 500 cards into 10 submission.   with only One submission getting Zero 9.5's but all the other 9 submission have 9.5 and 10's in a consistent ratio.    That is not easy., easy to say, but very difficult to do.

8 minutes ago, OddBox said:

So, basically, you are saying that if you don't get all 9 and 9.5 on your subs you will complain. I see a Haunter Deck card you subbed and it got an 8.5- The top to bottom centering is so far off I'd call 8.5 generous, I just don't see the issue.

I dont expect to get all 9.5.   Keep your pick and choose theories coming.  This is another sub from a week after.  Same set of cards,  Explain how this sub has a totally different ratio of grades than the "revenge" sub.  same time ,same set of cards, same box manytimes.   Explain it.

This sub was fair and consistent with the other 8 subs.   

Here is another sub from a week after.   Really fair grading and normal ratio of 9's and 9.5's   NO 10's (which is really difficult to get).

Just now, Angel of Death said:

That doesn't mean anything. All it looks like is that most of your lowest-graded cards are in 1 submission.

so out of 500-1000 cards, i magically pick all 9 and below grades to put in just 1 sub of 10 subs?  That would be very difficult for even a professional grader to do if i gave them a 100 chances.  This is way off if you step back and understand the odds of something like this happening.  .  

4 minutes ago, comicdonna said:

What do the other 9 submissions have to do with this one?  Being from the same collection and stored the same doesn't mean they will grade the same.  

the other 9 subs are same type of cards, same time frame.   These are not 10 subs spread over a few months or years of cards bought off ebay .  These are cards from the same "box" many times.  Same original owner and stored the same way .    I grade a lot of cards between CGC, PSA and BGS.     This is a strange submission with errors, missing or switched cards, delayed, mistakes .   Totally strange.